Camera & Lens Profiles

Can anyone explain the differences in the Camera Lens Profiles in ACR and the Lens Correction Filter in Photoshop CS6.
Reason I ask is my D800 and Nikon 14-24mm lens is detected and correction applied in ACR, but the same camera and lens combination is not recognized in the Photoshop lens correction filter. The D800 is nowhere to be found. But interestingly the profiles for the D4 are
Many folks have asked in the past when the D800 and Canon 5DM3 would be supported but all the attention has been focussed on ACR, so when will these profiles be available for Photoshop Lens Correction?
Cheers
MK

There is no question that ACR provides the Camera/Lens Profiles - this thread is why there is a difference between the Lens Correction built into Photoshop CS6. Many camera and Lens combinations supported by ACR do not show up Photoshop's Lens correction - like the D300 is missing, the D800 is missing - but all there in ACR.....
What I was hinting at was why is Photoshop not using the same profiles as ACR? Seems strange and more convoluted support model
Mike

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I updated to the latest version of Lightroom this afternoon. When I continued with LR, I discovered all my camera/lens profiles were gone. Can anyone tell me what happened and how I can recover or replace then? Thanks!

ssprengel,
Thanks. I've been traveling for two weeks and have not had access so I haven't followed up on your questions.
Yes, I updated from LR 5.5 to 5.6 and discovered my profiles were gone after that. I did do some other "clean up" on the computer working with the Apple folks to solve another set of issues. It is possible that this is the source of my problem. Your suggestion is to uninstall and reinstall LR. What precautionary steps do I need to do prior to the uninstall? Any special instructions for the reinstall. I would hate top end up with no LR at all!
Thanks.

Can I load a specific camera/lens profile into LR and if so how?

Can I load a specific camera/lens profile into LR and if so how?

If the camera profile or lens profile is in a Lightroom compatible format (i.e. created by the DNG Profile Editor or Lens Profile Creator) then you can load the profile into LR by putting it into the following folder and restarting LR.
Windows Vista or 7—C: \ Users \ [your username] \ AppData \ Roaming \ Adobe \ CameraRaw \ CameraProfiles \
Mac—Macintosh HD / Users / [your username] / Library / Application Support / Adobe / CameraRaw / CameraProfiles /
For the lens profiles, substitute the LensProfiles folder for the CameraProfiles folder.

LR 5.3 missing camera/lens profiles

Just came back from the camera store after testing out the Nikon Coolpix P7800 and Sony RX100ii.
Imported the RAW files into LR 5.3 to compare the image quality of the cameras.
I noticed that I could not assign camera and lens profiles to the photos. I currently have a Nikon P7100 which does show up in the drop down list and have had no problem doing lens corrections for the older camera.
I thought the P7800 and RX100ii cameras were added in the latest update. Am I missing something?
Thanks for any suggestions.

Using the new ACR 8.4 RC, the Sony RX100M2 seems fully supported, but the Nikon Coolpix P7800 seems barely supported.
These same conditions are present in LR 5.3. The only thing new in ACR 8.4 RC is the indication of a built-in profile being used.
RX100M2 - Built-in lens profile & several camera profiles:
P7800 - No internal or external lens profile & only Matrix as camera profile:
P7800 raw downloaded from this page:
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/nikon_coolpix_p7800_review/sample_images/

Possible to extract new camera/lens profiles from 8.4 to use in 8.3 ? OSX 10.6.8

Hi,
I'm still using OSX 10.6.8/ Snow Leopard for various reasons, also CS6 , and am a bit surprised that ACR 8.4 requires a later OSX version .
I'm fuming, actually, but let's not go there .
Obviously I won't change my OS, just because a rather minor part of the CS6 apps I'm using has been changed without considering OS backwards compatibility, probably by an intern .
But then again I do need the ACR support for recent cameras and lenses, so I'm wondering if there is a way to extract those profiles from the latest ACR 8.4 and manually add them to my earlier ACR 8.3 ?
Thanks !

Each camera model's raw files must be supported individually, even if the sensor is the same because the electronics still might be doing something different to the data after it is read off the sensor or the lens system might be doing something different to the colors and hence the need for individual support, and at least because the camera has a different ID that needs to be recognized.
An Adobe Camera Raw engineer has said that while much of the camera support is in the camera profiles, either Adobe Standard or for some models, Camera Standard, Camera Faithful, etc, there are almost always little tweaks in the conversion that are actually part of the computer programming in the camera raw plug-in, itself, so it is a combination of a particular minimum version of the camera raw plug-in plus the camera profile file(s) that need to recognize and handle things for the camera. The only thing you can copy from 8.3 to 8.4 is the external camera profile file(s) not the internal camera raw plug-in coding.
Obviously you can use the DNG Converter to create DNGs from the native camera raw files that can then be understood by older camera raw plug-ins, since that newer DNG Converter can embed all the extra parameters into the DNG files that the older ACR plug-in needs to do the raw conversion, but this is an extra step in the workflow so maybe you don't want to do it.
It seems like your choices are to upgrade your OS to Mavericks or use the DNG Converter to make DNGs of the Sony a6000 raw files so your current ACR 8.3 plug-in can understand and process these DNGs.

Lens profile in Camera raw won't load

Hello :
Can you please tell me why, when in Camera raw, my lens profile won't load. I use photoshop CS6 and have a Nikon d700 lens is 70-200 2.8 both included in the profile available.
All softwar is up to date
Thank you !

Sujac:
In CameraRaw (I don't have Lightroom) Camera/Lens profiles are tied to the filetype. So, for example, your image is a JPG, CameraRaw won't show DNG/RAW profiles.
Suggestions: 1) if available, use the RAW file. 2) If it ain't, open the image in an editor that can save the file as a DNG, then do it. The lens profiles will probably be available then.
Best.

Directory of Lens profiles in Win 7

In LR4 some lens profiles are not available that are in LR3. It may well have to do with the fact that I "downgraded" some profiles that were only available as RAW versions to non-RAW versions. Unforgivable but I just don't always shoot in RAW. They do show up in LR 3 as I mentioned and I believe that they are stored in C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\LensProfiles\1.0\ but get the idea that LR4 uses some otther directory... Is thatt right?

Sorry, no idea why the change was made....I just know that it was.
In the early days of the LR4beta there were quite a few comments about the respective size (within Program Files) of LR3 and LR4....the latter having a footprint of almost 800mb, LR3 being less than 100mb. To some, this was evidence of sloppy coding and application bloat, but of course they hadn't realised that over 300mb of camera/lens profiles had switched from Program Data (LR3) to Program Files (LR4b). That made the real difference about 400mb, almost all of which is attributable to the 200+mb of Book Templates and the almost 200mb of stuff seemingly video related (in the Support sub-folder).

GoPro Camera Raw Lens Profile settings not working for image sequence in Photoshop/AE/Premiere CS6

Hey Everyone,
I'm in need of assistance in either Photoshop CS6, After Effects CS6, or Premiere Pro CS6. I just installed the trials after seeing Russell Brown demo the GoPro Lens Profile correction feature in Camera Raw. Basically what I'm looking to do is make adjustments (in Adobe Camera Raw) to a series of still images (shot with the time-lapse mode on the GoPro) and then either export those stills through Photoshop or Bridge to a temporary movie file that will be imported into a timeline (with other video clips), or import the JPG files (with Camera Raw settings) directly into After Effects or Premiere as an image sequence. The latter would be preferable as it'd avoid the extra step of having to render the intermediate/temporary movie file.
Right now, my current workflow for GoPro time-lapses is:
          - use Bridge CS4 to do basic color correction on the still images
          - save those as TIF files
          - run the TIF files through a custom script to have Hugin 2012.0.0 (open source pano stitcher) remove the fisheye distortion
          - open the new TIF image sequence into QuickTime Player 7 (Pro)
          - export the image sequence as a QuickTime movie file
          - import the movie file into Premiere Elements 10 to place on a timeline with other video clips (as Premiere Elements can't handle the sequence(s) of thousands of still images without crashing)
If I can go directly from Bridge to a timeline, it'd save a lot of processing time (and it'd be much nicer to preview the images in Bridge without the fisheye distortion)!
I can prepare the GoPro JPG files through Adobe Camera Raw in Bridge CS6, though when I go to import the JPEG image sequence into Premiere Pro CS6 or After Effects CS6, none of the Camera Raw settings are applied. If I export the Camera Raw files in Bridge CS6 as DNG files (a step I'd really prefer to avoid) and then import the DNG image sequence into After Effects CS6, the Camera Raw settings are applied except for the Lens Profile settings -- I can pick other cameras but not the GoPro lens profiles when the DNG image sequence loads in After Effects. It also appears that once I open the DNG files in After Effects CS6, I can no longer access the GoPro Lens Profile in Adobe Bridge CS6 -- the list changes to the same list I get in After Effects. Premiere Pro CS6 doesn't let me import the DNG files at all. I've also tried to import the JPG files (as well as the converted DNG files) into an image sequence in Photoshop CS6, though it doesn't allow me to do so (the Image Sequence checkbox is grayed out after I apply the Camera Raw settings in Bridge).
There could be an issue going on with different Camera Raw versions. I didn't have Premiere Pro CS6 installed during my initial testing, though now do notice that the Camera Raw dialog in Bridge CS6 only lets me choose compatibility up to "Camera Raw 7.1 and later" when I choose to export the files as DNG. I thought Camera Raw 8.2 was an option there a couple days ago when I only had installed Photoshop CS6 and After Effects CS6 (though am not 100% certain).
Please let me know if there is some workaround to get the GoPro lens profile Camera Raw corrections applied in an image sequence in one of the Adobe CS6 products (without having to export the files as temporary TIF or JPG files out of Camera Raw). I'd greatly prefer to shorten my current workflow for these files. (I just updated the CS6 trials and have tested all three programs again though I still get the same results described above.)
Does Lightroom 5 have any option to export Camera Raw image sequences as movie files (or any other feature that might help in simplifying my current workflow)? I can't install the trial right now as it's not compatible with OS X 10.6.8. I'd consider upgrading OS X if I knew Lightroom 5 would do what I need, though am waiting for any potential color profile issues to be resolved in OS X 10.9.
I can open the image sequence in Photoshop CS6 if no Camera Raw settings are applied and then use the Lens Correction Filter to apply the GoPro Lens Profile settings, though I really prefer the Camera Raw interface in Bridge for tweaking image settings. As soon as I apply Camera Raw settings to the first image, Photoshop CS6 grays out the image sequence checkbox.
If there isn't a way to take Camera Raw files straight from Adobe Bridge to a timeline, I may stick with my current workflow using CS4 and see what I can do to better automate some of the steps as the TIF export in Bridge, fisheye distortion removal in Hugin, and render in QuickTime Player all take quite a while. I won't mind waiting for all the processing if I can set it and check back on it in later the next day when it's fully complete. Is there a way to have Adobe ExtendScript execute an external shell command (i.e.: a command I could type into the bash shell in Terminal in OS X)? If not, is there a way to call/run an ExtendScript script from the command line and pass a parameter to it that my custom script could use?
Thanks in advance,
Mark

Can you zip up a few of your GoPro images, upload them to dropbox.com and post a share link, here, so others can experiment with them, or do you mean this issue is global to all camera models?

How do I create an ACR custom lens profile if camera exposure can't be set to manual?

How do I create an ACR custom lens profile if camera exposure can't be set to manual?
I ask this question for the Nokia 808 PureView 41MP camera. It produces stunning image quality but exposure can only be controlled via EV +/- compensation. I need a lens profile to correct for vignetting to get even skies in panorama (which turn out stunningly otherwise). There is no profile for the Nokia 808 PureView I am aware of and I'd like to produce one.
Is the Adobe profile creator able to correct for varying exposure using EXIF or overlapping parts of the chart or background?
Or would the Adobe profile creator ignore EXIF if I use studio flash to enforce a constant lightning situation, even if shutter speed would vary (aperture is constant and ISO can be set constant, just not the shutter speed)?
Or did Adobe produce a profile internally they can share?
Thanks.

If you read the first post, this is the camera-app of a 41MP Nokia Pureview 808 camera-phone, so maybe someone could write a new camera app but the phone is Symbian OS which is dead, making that unlikely.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/the-skeptics-guide-to-nokias-808-pureview-five-reasons -41-megapixels-are-not-a-gimmick/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/the-nokia-lumia-820-and-lumia-920-too-little-too-late/
It would probably be easier for Adobe to rewrite the LPC to allow vignetting to be computed from a single shot of a blank wall without a target in the shot, than to have someone rewrite a camera app that allows manual exposure.
Another idea about how to get the phone to keep a constant exposure would be to experiment with putting darker and lighter objects in the field-of-view away from the target area to make the camera metering adjust things so it’s exposure is the same from one shot to the next. This would take some doing but should work, unless the LPC uses the part of the frame that doesn’t contain the checkboard target in its computations.
You’re basically varying the scene around the target so the camera takes the same exposure of the target each time.

Adobe Camera Raw Save Settings and Lens Profile Corrections Help

I have been fooling around with Adobe Camera Raw’s (ACR) ability to save settings so that I can apply them to other images. I’m able to set things such as clarity, vibrance, camera profile etc. What I want to do is enable Lens Profile Corrections and have it automatically detect the lens information for future images, apply no distortion corrections and apply vignetting and chromatic aberration corrections. However, when I try this, the Lens profile sticks on “Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM” (which is what I used for creating the settings to be saved) regardless of the lens used for the image that I am applying the settings to. Is there a way do this?
I’m using Photoshop CS6 and ACR current version.
Thanks,
Mike

You should see an Adobe Standard profile and perhaps an ACR x.x profile for your camera, but Adobe does not make Camera-centric profiles (landscape, portrait, camera neutral, etc) for most cameras unless they are Canon DSLRs, Nikon DSLRs, one Leica and a few Pentax cameras.
On a Vista/Win7 system you can verify what models of cameras are supported by Adobe by looking for profiles in:
C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles
The lens profiles are in:
C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\LensProfiles
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In Camera raw PSCS5 lens profile for AF-S Nikkor 24 - 85mm f3.5 - 4.5 G is not listed

In Camera Raw Photoshop CS5 lens profile list. The lens AF-S Nikkor 24mm - 85mm f3.5 - 4.5 is not included

There are some lenses that are not that popular, so no profile has been created. You can create your own profile:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5489

Why are no Pentax lenses in the Adobe Camera Raw lens profiles when processing JPG files?

I normally shoot and process raw files and use the latest version of Adobe Camera Raw for processing. Some of these files are converted to jpg for use on the net or e-mailing etc. Sometimes I want to make minor changes to the now converted jpg file and often go to Adobe Camera Raw for ease and speed of use. Lately I have gone back to some files that were not thoroughly processed as raw files before conversion to jpg. When, in ACR, I go to Lens Corrections panel, Profile tab, I Enable Lens Profile Corrections and choose Setup: Auto (or Default) and get the message, "Unable to locate a matching lens profile automatically".
I then go down to Lens Profile and click on Make with the intention of choosing the Pentax lens which I used for the photo. Here is the problem - there are only six choices under make, namely Apple, Canon, Nikon, Sigma, Sony and Tamron. I have no such issues when processing a raw file in Adobe Camera Raw. Pentax lenses are automatically detected and Pentax, along with Leica, Samsung, Zeiss, etc. are choices under Make of lens.
Do other people have this problem? Is there some setting I have missed? Is Adobe just not permitting some makers' lenses, for which there are profiles, to be corrected if the files are jpgs?
BTW, I have checked and the same issues exist for tiff files opened in ACR.

Assuming I read your post correctly, and that you're trying to use Lens corrections on JPEGs and TIFFs... I believe there's a completely different set of profiles for correcting already "developed" images (such as JPEGs and TIFFs). If I recall correctly (and it's been a while since I read about this), it's the same set that's used inside Photoshop for the Filter - Lens Correction tool (I hope someone here will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I read this somewhere).
If your lenses are known to Camera Raw when you develop raw files, I suggest you will need to go all the way back to your Raw file and reprocess it from that stage. You'll get a better result anyway.
-Noel

Camera RAW v7.3:Lens Profile for Nikkor DX 17-55mm

Hi,
LR v4.3 correctly reads from NEF the lens Metadata like: Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED. This lens profile is properly assigned to the corresponding NEF file.
Still in LR when converting the same image (via export dialog) to TIF, again this lens profile is used and reflected in the TIF-output (including metadata). So far so good.
When converting the same image in Nikon Capture NX2 of course the lens profile (as set in LR) is NOT reflected in the TIF-output. This (should) can be taken care of by enabling a lens profile correction in LR (after import TIF into LR).
The thing is that LR suggests to apply a profile for lens: Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8G IF-ED. This profile is probably not the same as for the 17-55mm lens.
Unfortunately a profile for the Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED is not listed in the selection options.
Question is:
How can I best obtain a proper profile for the lens: Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED ?
I find it strange that Camera RAW v7.3 has the proper lens profile for the NEF but suggest another profile for the TIF version of the same file. Apparently the profile is available for NEF but not for the TIF.
How comes?
Would appreciate to receive some reasoning and possible solutions.
Thanks, Hans.

My findings:
The lens profile in ACR is for RAW files.
For converted files (TIF, JPG, etc.) a different lens profile applies.
Reason(s): The metadata of the TIF-file is not specific enough about lens profiles. (Lens profiles would need to be embedded - they are not).
For example: Has the TIF-file been converted from RAW using a profile or not? If so, the specific name of the lens profile and it's physical location would be needed.
Meanwhile it makes sense for me that this part is left to the user.
The Adobe LensProfile Creator allows to produce a suitable profile for specific needs.
For many popular lenses there is a non-RAW lensprofile (for TIF, JPG etc.) available that might be applied by the user.
Thanks 'Geoff the kiwi' you lead me onto the right path to find the answers to my questions.

How can i add the Sigma 10mm 2.8 Fisheye lens profile from the camera profile in windows to lightroom 5?

It only seems to give me a 15mm fisheye option for Sigma and not the 10mm even though it is a profile in the camera profiles folder.
Can anyone help with importing this profile into Lightroom?

nickpearse wrote:
Just so it is black and white for my sake. I am shooting with a Nikon D7100 using a Sigma Fisheye 10mm 2.8 and using the Lens Profile of the Sigma 15mm 2.8mm on Lightroom.
Then the correct profile to use is the Sigma 10mm F2.8 if you want proper Vignetting correction and matching Distortion correction, but you'll need to shoot camera raw images (i.e. no JPEG lens profile). This is also why you are only seeing partial correction. As I said, "With a crop factor camera only the central crop area of the full-frame Sigma 15mm lens profile will be applied."
That said there is absolutely nothing wrong with using the Sigma 15mm lens profile with your crop factor Nikon D7100 if you are happy with the partial correction results, but you can also do this using the correct Sigma 10mm lens profile (set less than 100). There is a fisheye correction plugin called Fisheye-Hemi that works very similar in that it only applies partial correction. You're getting about the same results as Fisheye-Hemi for free using partial correction with the LR lens profile tool. That should make you happy! I suggest experimenting with both the 15mm and 10mm lens profiles and start shooting camera raw image files. Your're not realizing the camera's full capability shooting JPEGs!
In the DSC_7098 images posted none of them look very sharp (slow shutter speed?). Other than geometric correction I can't judge the posted images for "sharpness" in the corrected areas, which is the major concern. The biggest issue with rectilinear correction of fisheye images is loss of detail in areas with the most correction (edges and corners). If that were not the case people would use fisheye lenses for ALL wide-angle images and simply correct them inside LR. Sadly that's not the case and using LR's Lens Profile Distortion and other transform tools to correct fisheye images considerably softens the corrected areas (sides and corners).
Fisheye geometric distortion with some subjects is almost undetectable. So how much correction you need will vary by subject type and what the end use for the image. Any fisheye image that has correction applied will lose sharpness in the corrected areas, which may be fine for most purposes other than large prints.So it's best not to strive for 100% rectilinear correction–Just the correction needed to make the image look better.
Canon 8-15mm F4L FE on 5D MKII Full-Frame @ 15mm (No correction)
Looks good to me with no correction!
For more flexibility and better results PS's Wide Angle Adaptive filter and content aware fill tools will retain more image detail in the corrected areas. Here's the same lens and camera with an image processed in PS:
15mm Full-Frame Fisheye
LR Distortion = 50 (partial) PS Adaptive Wide Angle Filter + Content Aware Fill
The corner image detail is about the same in both of the above images at 1:1 view. Partial LR Distortion correction is good!
So what happens if I apply 100 Distortion correction to the image inside LR?
1:1 Compare View (lower-left) with LR Distortion = 100
100% LR Distortion correction of fisheye images is NOT good IMHO!

Switched from canon to a lumix DMC ZS40 with Leica DC Vario-elmar 1.3.3-6.4/4.3-129 asph lens. When processing the raw fliles there is no lense profile information as there was for the canon. Is the file available somewhere for this camera lens combinat

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[I tried to reply via e-mail some hours ago, but that reply didn't come through]
If your camera is a micro-4/3 or mirrorless camera then it likely has a built-in lens profile that is always on so there is nothing to select.
Photoshop ACR will tell you if a built-in profile is being used, but so far LR will not. Another way to tell is to open a raw file in a raw converter that doesn’t do lens corrections and see if you see more distortion, something like RawTherapee.

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