Camera model support and camera raw

PS 5 tells me that my camera model (Canon D60) isn't supported by the currently installed version of camera raw, but we know that it is. How do I resolve this issue?

abuelascasa wrote:
…How do I find out which version?…
Look for the "About Plug-In" menu item in Photoshop.  Which menu it's on depends on your platform, Macintosh or Windows, but you've given no information.
Please read this FAQ for advice on how to ask your questions correctly for quicker and better answers: 
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/419981?tstart=0
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    Topic : iPad 2 Camera - Doesnt Work
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    Adam Daley
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    From: NY
    Registered: Mar 27, 2011
    iPad 2 Camera - Doesnt Work
    Posted: Mar 27, 2011 5:18 PM            
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    So I got the iPad 2 last Wednesday and tried facetime. It seemed to work then froze, but I gave up as it was still new and I was still figuring things out. Anyway i'd use the camera a few times (maybe 3) and made maybe 2 quick videos, nothing big. I never use the camera much. Today I went to videotape my nephew and clicked the camera screen, but it wouldnt leave the shutter screen. If i restore it to default, it works. But as soon as I sync my iPad up so it restores all my settings, the camera freezes. Obviously facetime and photobooth don't load either.
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    David.Austin.Al...
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    Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
    If when you restore the iPad to the factory settings the camera works, then there is nothing wrong with the iPad, you have something corrupt in the backup that you are using to restore your previous settings. I would delete the backup and start fresh. Go to iTunes/Preferences/Devices and delete any and all backups there for the iPad.
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    Mine Also i recieved my ipad last wednesday after strange delay in shipping in hong kong and my front camera does not work at all and i update ipad and reset many times without sucsess .
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    Try this reset. Press &amp; Hold the Sleep/Wake and the Home buttons simultaneously for 10+ seconds. Ignore the red power off slider.
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    Re: iPad 2 Camera - Doesnt Work
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    I try it without any success and i try even to restore the same result . as i see the first group of ipad 2 which ordered on 11 march and delivered on last wednesday is almost have issue in front camera between freeze and not working at all .
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    Posted: Mar 28, 2011 2:01 PM     in response to: iscs            
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    Not mine. It works perfectly.
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    Adam Daley
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    Deleting my backups and starting fresh kinda *****. I'd rather not have to re-do all my settings like email and my apps. Its not that i have a lot of apps, maybe 5 or so I use, but still, its a bit of a pain. I guess I can TRY it... can't hurt right...
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    So heres an update. I just restored the iPad so its back to factory default... and the camera is locking up now. I didnt even sync it, its brand new now... same issue
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