Camera Profile Beta - will it port?

First, thank you very much to Adobe for creating these new camera profiles per:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles#Camera_Profiles_and_DNG_Profile_Editor
For the Fuji S5 and Nikon D80 this makes a major difference.
So, here's the question - if I set my pictures to "Adobe Standard beta 2" profile and in a couple months you go out of "beta" and the profile becomes "Adobe Standard", are the pictures I assigned "Adobe Standard beta 2" going to lose their profile or get messed up.
I assume when this becomes production I will remove and reinstall the production version and/or the production one will replace the beta profiles. In which case will the "fixed" naming of profiles cause me problems?
If the answer is yes, will there be a way to find and replace the broken profiles at some future date with the correct production one (I have a very large catalog)???
Thanks in advance!

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
>
I actually read that before going ahead and deleting the beta 1 profiles.
"Camera Raw 4.6, 5.1 and Lightroom 2.1 will automatically switch to
using the beta 2 profiles instead."
This statement seems rather clear, but when I checked afterwards the
profile selection was empty on *all images* that had the beta 1 profile
assigned before.
What does that mean? Did the automatic switch not work or is this just a
cosmetic glitch?
Cheers Martin

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[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I downloaded the camera profile betas and Camera Raw 4.5. When working
> with a Nef, I set a beta camera profile in LR2. No problem. When
> finished I open another NEF--same thing. Reverts to 4.4 default. Is
> there no way to make that sticky?
>
> Also, each time I open LR the default profile is Camera Raw 4.4, and I
> have to reset it. Nefs are all I am testing LR2 with, shot with a
> D300. How do I get a sticky profile. What am I missing?
>
> Also, since I have Camera Raw 4.5 installed, shouldn't that default to
> 4.5 instead of 4.4? 4.3 is also on the list, but not 4.5. Why isn't
> 4.5 available? Have I done something wrong?
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Steph_Kimball,
You're the one who is mightily confused. :)
> the recently released BETA CAMERA PROFILES which may be chosen in lieu of ARC
Assuming "ARC" is a typo for ARC, the beta camera profiles are used in ARC, inside Camera Raw,
not
"in lieu of". The new profiles, once installed appear IN the Calibrate Tag in ACR, alongside any profiles there may be there for your camera model from earlier versions of ACR, in the very same menu, not
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