Camera Profile question

I am really struggling with this and have googled until blue in the face. The "camera profiles" in the develop tab, how do I get the new profiles in older pictures?
I have a 50D and color reproduction on older profiles aren't so great. The newer one (ie 4.6) looks better. But some of my older pics are set to 4.4 and no option to change.
Am I going about this wrong? If someone could give a good explaination of this setting, it would be GREATLY appreciated.

Jim-
What version LR? O/S?
Your older pix, presumably not 50D, right? I my understanding is correct, those older cameras won't have, in most cases, a new version of ACR that changes any settings for that camera. You may be able to use the camera pre-settings. What cameras?

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Setting Camera Profile question

Canon 40D in Lightroom 2.3
While reading the FAQ I noted the statement for the Canon settings:
In general, there are 5 CM profiles per Canon DSLR, one for each of the default Canon Picture Styles. These five Picture Styles are called Standard, Portrait, Landscape, Neutral, and Faithful. The CM profiles will match the Canon Picture Styles with all Canon sliders (i.e., Contrast, Color Balance, and Saturation) set to their default values of 0.
What if the Standard style does NOT have the default setting to value of 0?
If the styles should be at value 0 for Lightroom to apply the profile then the words should say exactly that.
My other query is if including several ISO settings when preparing the specific camera profile.
If the image that is open while preparing the profile and settings to be saved as a camera profile has an ISO 200 then when are other ISO ratings included in the camera profile?
Is the camera profile updated by opening another image with an ISO 400 entering any specific adjustment settings then do the update the camera profile? This routine to be repeated for any other IS0 rating.
The detail of adding these ISO ratings to the camera profile are not specificied at the site I visited
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_camera/camera-defaults.htm
nor do I see it in the FAQ
Appreciate any clarification.
Rose

>What if the Standard style does NOT have the default setting to value of 0?
I guess you are referring to the sliders in Lightroom. The text in that FAQ refers to the settings in your camera that override the picture styles. The sliders in Lightroom need to be at their default settings. Those are NOT zero for a lot of the sliders. The default is 5 for blacks, 25 for contrast, 50 for brightness and the tone curve at medium contrast. Everyting else should be at zero. Using these default settings and a camera-matching profile will yield you a rendering that mimics the in-camera jpeg with the same picture style, provided you do not modify the settings in your camera.
>If the image that is open while preparing the profile and settings to be saved as a camera profile has an ISO 200 then when are other ISO ratings included in the camera profile?
The profiles are ISO independent. The color rendering is independent of the ISO of your camera so there is no need for separate camera profiles at different ISOs. To generate a camera profile, you only need to shoot a single image (actually usually two, one in daylight and one in tungsten light) preferably at the lowest ISO so that noise does not screw up the calibration. There are other things automatically taken care of in Lightroom depending on ISO such as baseline noise reduction.
>The detail of adding these ISO ratings to the camera profile are not specificied at the site I visited http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_camera/camera-defaults.htm
nor do I see it in the FAQ
This page talks about camera defaults. This is something completely different from the camera profile. Camera defaults are simply default Develop settings dependent on which camera your RAW file came off off. These default settings can include the application of a camera matching profile and the defaults can be ISO dependent.

CS3 & ACR 4.6 - camera profiles questions

Happy New Year to All
I am using CS3 with ACR 4.6. I installed the beta 2 camera profiles.
Is there any way to get the newer profiles without having to upgrade to CS4 and ACR 5?
I only see nikon d2x in the list. Are there other camera profiles available?
Thanks,
Paul

Paul,
Also note that there is a forum a couple of doors down dedicated to ACR and DNG issues. See: http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.3bc03c04
Thanks.
Neil

Develop module, camera calibration, Fuji X Pro 1 Camera Profiles question

In Lightroom 5.3 with camera raw 8.3, for my Fuji X Pro 1 lightroom is only showing "Adobe Standard."
Is there a way to have it recognize the various shooting modes on the camera?
The initial raw preview looks awesome, but as soon as lightroom builds a preview, it goes back to the standard flat and dull image that will require tweaks.
Surely I am just overlooking something?

You’re not overlooking anything.
Adobe doesn’t recognize shooting modes of any cameras; however, for Canon, Nikon and now Olympus, Adobe supplies “Camera Match” profiles for some theoretical shooting modes, that are closer to the camera JPGs than Adobe Standard but are still just approximations. Adobe has no way of knowing exactly what other companies are doing for their raw-to-jpg conversions so it’s a bit of reverse-engineering to get what they have, now, anyway.
Fuji X-trans cameras are particularly troublesome for Adobe because of the novel camera sensor layout and I wouldn’t expect Adobe to spend even more time doing custom X-trans things unless the camera’s become a popular professional platform. Somehow I doubt that so don’t hold your breath.
You can change the Develop Defaults for your camera if you want things to be different than the initial Adobe-factory-defaults look. Experiment with applying your tweaked settings as a Develop preset during Import, first, while you perfect the new Defaults, look.
You can create your own color profiles for your camera if you’re willing to spend the $100 on a Color Checker standard color target.
Basically don’t both setting things on the camera to affect how your raws are developed in LR because they won’t translate across, except WB. Spend your time learning what to do to get LR to make things how you want them with the least effort.

Beta Camera Profiles installation question

I downloaded Camera Raw 4.5 Plug in, which is needed for the beta Camera Profiles installation. CR 4.5 is definitely in the right place and working fine. According to Adobe FAQ, beta Camera Profiles belong in the Adobe folder in Camera Raw. I copy and quote here:
" Where are the new profiles installed on my computer?
On Mac OS X:
/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles "
I do not have CR 4.5 in my Adobe folder, only in Plug ins. I do still have CR v 4 in the Adobe folder, but not v 4.5.
My question is... does the beta version of Camera Profiles automatically put Camera Raw 4.5 in the Adobe folder, or do I need to do something to get CR 4.5 there in order to install the beta Camera Profiles ? I've already messed up on the download/installation of Camera Profiles by moving it into CR 4.5 the plug-in folder. When I realized my error, I have trashed that.
Can someone give me some input here ? I'm clueless. This is not a BIG DEAL, as I'm getting along fine with CS3. I;m just curious to know how CR 4.5 gets in the Adobe folder>
Thanks
carolyn

O.K. I understand about v 4.6. At the time I installed ACR 4.5, it was the version Adobe said was required. What has happened since then I was unaware of.
Where I have the ACR 4.5 plug in installed is EXACTLY the path you describe, not the HOME folder, but in my HD. I can show a screen shot but don't think that works in this space. To follow my ACR4.5 plug in path, which is the same as you say above, here it is:
HD/Library/App. Support / Adobe /Plugins/CS3/ File Formats / Camera Raw Plugin
When I am in Bridge, the window shows Camera Raw v 4.5 at the top. So I must have it in the right place. I think you misread my original post as the path I copied there was copied from the Ådobe FAQ! link for the Camera Profiles, NOT for ACR. Sorry if I was unclear.
I totally understand that the beta Camera Profiles and ACR do NOT reside in the same folder. ACR is in Plug ins, and the beta Camera Profiles go in the Adobe folder under Camera Raw. But I do NOT have ACR 4.5 in the Adobe folder so that I can put the profiles there. So what am I supposed to do ??

How to make an untwisted camera profile available in LR 4.4?

I have downloaded dcpTool from http://dcptool.sourceforge.net and generated the untwisted versions of all the Nikon D700 related camera profiles (Adobe Standard, Camera Standard, etc.) that come with LR 4.4. Since the structure of the camera profile filenames seem to be important, for each file I kept the original name but added a distinction to its end (e.g. Nikon D700 Camera Standard UT.dcp).
According to the information I have collected, 'installation' of these profile versions would be as easy as copying them into the same directories where the original profiles are. Unfortunately LR 4.4 does not bring them up in the Camera Calibration module.
How should I 'install' these profiles?

Thanks again for your very useful advice. You gently explain why my idea is groundless. You are right, it is better to stay on ground.
I changed to LR recently. So far I have used only the Adobe Standard profile, but I am not very pleased with it. A few days ago I started fiddling with other D700 profiles, without any convincing color rendering improvement. This is the reason for entering the camera profiling world.
As my username reflects, I am a hobbyshooter. Most of my pictures are taken when travelling (landscapes and cityscapes) but I also shoot at family events and parties.
You have made me even more curious about the ColorChacker based profiles. I hope they will solve my main problems: skin color, the vivid reds of Nikon, and the formerly mentioned hue twist. Nevertheless, I am afraid that finding the right color rendering balance for my typical environments (particularly for indors with totally mixed lighting) will not be easy...
I am also thinking of reprocessing roughly two thousand pictures, taken years ago with D200 and D300. Do you have any suggestion how to get nice 'generic' profiles for the given camera+lens combos, which I do not have these days, so creating their profiles with ColorChecker is out of the question for me?

I would like to add a new Canon camera profile to the RAW interface

Hi, I would like to add a new Canon camera profile to the RAW interface.
I have recently installed the new camera profile 'Studio Portrait' which i download from here:
http://www.canon.co.jp/imaging/picturestyle/file/studio-portrait.html
When I open up a RAW files in Camera RAW, go to 'Camera Calibration', click on the drop down list called
'Camera Profile' I only see 'Adobe Standard, Faithful etc etc'.
My questions are, can i add the same camera profile i put in my camera, into a folder with in photoshop?
Or is photoshop reading the raw file and only seeing the default camera profiles?
If I could see the new camera profile listed it would help with work flow.
Best
JL-B
Please help, ive not had a good time waiting on the phone and trying to explain this to a live chat, hours have been wasted. Once i know the answer I can get back to the commission.

Are you following this
Apply a camera profile
To apply a camera profile, select it from the Camera Profile pop-up menu in the Camera Calibration tab of the Camera Raw dialog box. The Adobe Standard profile for a camera is named Adobe Standard. Camera Matching profiles include the prefix Camera in the profile name. The Camera Profile pop-up menu displays only profiles for your camera.
If the only profile in the Camera Profilemenu is Embedded, it means that you have selected a TIFF or JPEG image. Adobe Standard and Camera Matching profiles work only with raw images.
Note: If you have selected a raw file and Adobe Standardand Camera Matching profiles do not appear in the Camera Profilepop-up menu, download the latest Camera Raw update.

Camera Raw 8.2 in PS CS6 doesn't recognise new lens & camera profiles

I recently upgraded from PS CS5 to PS CS6 and have run the latest software updates for OSX 10.7.5 (ie PS CS6 13.05 and ACR 8.2.0.94). My old Canon 7D profiles are still available but, strangely, the camera and lens profiles I expected to see for the Canon 6D and Ricoh GR (among other late models) aren't shown in Camera Raw or PS Lens Correction Filters. Is this a known issue and/or is there a fix?
BTW - I can see some profiles were downloaded to HD:Library/Application Support/Adobe etc - were they meant to have gone someplace else?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

The Application Support location is for Camera-Raw-Installed profiles.
The Users location is for user-downloaded or user-created lens profiles. You can download community-supplied profiles with the lens-profile-downloader available at Adobe.com.
In the past, user-downloaded and user-created profiles could all be mixed into the Application Support folder and be found, but some time back, Adobe started recognizing only their installed profiles in the Application Support area and required downloaded profiles to be in the Users area. This may be what has happened in your case.
When you asked your question, you used the term Downloaded, so I think Eric Chan thought you meant non-Adobe-installed profiles and gave the folder for user-installed profiles.
If you currently have user-installed profiles mixed in with your Adobe-installed profiles in the Application Support folder—they may have an older date/timestamp, then just move them from where you found them to the Users folder location Eric mentioned.
Another wrinkle is that raw and non-raw profiles are distinct, as well, so when you’re expecting to see lenses supported, make sure you’re looking at a raw file from the camera in question, not a JPG. Adobe rarely supplies JPG-lens profiles.

What is Adobe Standard and the other camera profiles?

OK, so i'm using my Canon 5d mark II, shooting RAW in the Neutral picture style. When I load the photo into Lightroom, at the bottom under Camera Calibration the program shows that by default it has loaded the photograph using the Adobe Standard camera profile. My question is: Is Lightroom taking the end result of the RAW data being shot with the Neutral picture style and loading it into Lightroom where it translates the photograph (RAW + Neutral picture style) using Adobe Standard? Or is Lightroom taking the photograph (RAW + Neutral picture style) and overriding the Neutral picture style setting in my camera and replacing it with another picture style it calls Adobe Standard?
Another and potentially easier to understand way of asking the question would be if I shot two photographs in RAW, one with the Neutral picture style set in my camera and one with the Landscape setting, and then loaded them into Lightroom using Adobe Standard camera profile, would the two photographs look any different?
Sorry, I am new to digital photography and all adobe programs, and would greatly appreciate the help of a veteran.

The photos would look exactly the same. The picture style that your camera is set on makes no difference to the raw image. That picture style is carried in your raw file as just a tag that tells Canon's raw converter how to interpret the data. Adobe doesn't use that information.
It's up to you to choose the profile that meets your artistic desires.
Hal

How does Adobe make their camera profiles for ACR and Lightroom?

I'm not interested in the proprietary algorithms , but I am curious as to the photographic mechanics and hardware tools used by Adobe to make the various camera profiles as they differ markedly from the ones I make using the DNG Profile Editor.
My methodology is to set an X-Rite 24 patch Color Checker target, light it evenly with electromic flash (with 0.1 stops from center to corners as mesured with a Sekonic L-758r Meter) and make a series of exposures bracketed in third of a stop increments around the meter reading in case the camera sensitivity differs from the meter's.
I then process the raw files and convert them to the DNG format, select the best exposure and run it through the DNG Profile editor. My results differ from Adobe's generic profiles for that camera enough that that I don't thin kthe difference can be credited to the difference between a generic profile a specific camera.
How do the different tools work in the DNG converter? Starting with the Options for "Base Tone Curve"? Is there a document a moderately color geeky person can understand that explains this?
I thin kthe DNG Profile editor is a great and under usedtool. I wish more people knew about it.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

Someone who only eats sausage may not want to know how it's made. Someone who creates things with food, a chef, a cook, or otherwise is thinking about a career in the food industry, might have a interest in such things. Someone who is thinking of making sausage will want to know all the details. Someone who is concerned with the public safety might want to know how sasauge is made.
It would be nice for a sausage maker to give some hints about the process as compared to what each of us can do with the DNG Profile Editor and to the original poster's question, why are our profiles different from Adobe's?
It is my experience that when I create a profile with the DNG Profile Editor, and then compute the color error for each of the 24 color patches of a CC24, using a program like Imatest, some colors are quite a bit off and some are very close, and the colors that are off, are not the same ones that are off when I compute the color error using one of the Adobe Standard or Camera Standard profiles.
Is Adobe using more detailed and sophisticated color targets with hundreds of different colors, or if not, do the tools provide more feedback and allow more manual manipulation of the profile and so the differences are due to their judgement about which colors to make "right" and which ones to let have more error associated with them, that can be manipulated by hand instead of merely letting the DNG Profile Editor apparently distribute the error amongst the various colors with some sort of even-handed calculation.
For example it is easy to imagine that someone tweaking a profile by hand with a live readout of the error of each of the colors plus an overall composite error, might put more emphasis on skin tones being right if they have a background in people photography, or more emphasis on bright colors being right if their experience is in textiles and the current trend in the US is bright colors--and a different emphasis when the trend is muted colors so there is cultrual bias and life-experience coloring a "standard" profile.
In other words, how much of the difference between Adobe and our profiles are due to Adobe having different or better science, and how much of it is due to Adobe have different or better "artists" who decide what colors to make correct compared to others.

Camera Profile in Lightroom (X20)

Hi, I'm just beginning with a fujifilm X20 camera and .raf files.
I'm trying Lightroom 5.0 and still not sure if I should use Photoshop instead, here is why :
I tryied to found my camera profile, and it's not in lightroom, found X100 not X20.
I tried by the adobe lens profile downloader, I found 5 profiles for the X10, none for the X10.
Googling about that, I found out that the X20 is supported by Camera Raw, but I can't see how I could get that without Photoshop.
So my question is : what should I do :
- don't care about lens correction ?
- do care and chose one of the five available X10 profiles (but how to chose.. between them)
- switch to Photoshop + Camera Raw wich is supposed to support the X20
Thanks for any help

You may be confusing two concepts.
RAW file support for you camera means that LR will open the RAW file. LR has the Adobe ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) system built in and you don't see it. Photoshop uses the same ACR system, but you do see it as a separate function.
There are two ways you can see if your camera is supported by Lightroom or ACR. One is to find the list of cameras. The other is to see if it works.
The second concept is lens profiles. For fixed lens cameras like yours, the lens corrections are built into the data in the RAW file the camera makes. Unless you have a DSLR with multiple lenses, you can leave the "Lens Corrections" disabled or set to "Default".

ACR 5 - Support for Custom Camera Profiles

ACR 4 allows users to select from a list of four device-independent colour spaces (Adobe RGB 1998, ColorMatch RGB, ProPhoto RGB and sRGB). Unlike other RAW processors, it does not allow selection of a custom camera profile. This capability is very useful when colour accuracy is of considerable importance (e.g. reproduction of art works). Does ACR 5 allow for selection of custom profiles?

When this question had been asked in the past the answer has always been, "No, because these choices are all that you need." This may seem to be a rather close minded answer. But in reality the Prophoto color space encompasses everything else that is available. So the solution has been to do all of your work in ACR in Prophoto and send the image on to Photoshop in that color space. Then convert to the desired color space in Photoshop.

LR3 to LR4 Camera Profiles?

While I am aware that Develop Presets will behave totally differently between LR3 and LR4 due to processing differences I have never specifically seen camera profiles addressed.
Will custom profiles done in LR3 give different results in LR4?

Thanks guys.
If you still have your eye on this thread here is another question. I have available profiles for a camera with the same sensor as my second camera (Sony A55 available - A57 not). Is there away by re-labling profile names to have LR use the one marked for the A55 when it reads that the camera is the A57? Could the files/folders be retitled or is the camera info embedded in the profiles themselves?
Gary

Camera Profile Sony A700

Any news on a camera profile for A700? The question was asked a year ago so thought I'd enquire.
Also can I just check that in the camera calibration panel of Lightroom 3 I'm only supposed to be seeing ACR 4.4, ACR 4.2 and Adobe Standard?
Thanks anyone who replies

Yes, this is the correct set of camera profiles that you should be seeing in the Profile popup menu, for the A700. These profiles are already specific to the A700.

Apply DNG Camera Profile to scan?

I am setting up a workflow to scan and process a large volume of slides. I am scanning with a Nikon LS5000 and Vuescan, outputting as (linear)DNG and then processing in Lightroom.
For me this is efficient as it unifies my digital and analogue workflows. I could also just output a raw tiff (not color corrected), but I like the smaller file size and the embedding of LR settings with DNG.
I have done test scans for which I then created a custom color correction profile in the DNG profile editor. I am very happy with the level of control over color in the profile editor, and would like to use this to apply color correction to batches of scans shot on a particular film type (kodachrome for example). I know these tools are designed to be used with camera raw, but they perform equally well with linear files.
The problem is that as the dng file was not created by a camera, but a scanner (even though the EXIF data shows the LS5000 as 'camera') I can not get the profile to show up in the Camera Calibration/Profile tab in order to apply it to an image.
Questions:
1- Is there any way to force the profile to load anyway? (LR could have an 'other' option in the profile tab)
2- Can I get LR/Profile Editor to consider the LS5000 as a legitimate camera, as opposed to just producing a generic tiff?
3- Can I somehow manually embed my custom profile into a DNG so that the embedded profile is automatically the right one?
Thanks.

I am aware of the issue with the Nef files, as I found out that they are different from Nef camera files and not read by the DNG converter, or anything other than nikon scan.
There are options though in vuescan with any scanner that allow you to disable all adjustments and export as a 'raw' file, either in tiff or dng format. Vuescan is then primarily used to control the hardware. The only processing that is applied to the scan is the calibration (correcting for variations in intensity in the ccd), and optionally IR-dust removal. The important part is that there is no base curve, gamma, and no color adjustment or icc-profile applied. For practical purposes LR could treat it as raw.
As a hamburger it would be very rare and decidedly pink on the inside. The main 'cooking' should ideally be happening in LR by applying the base curve and color adjustments in one action (camera profile + adjustments) as opposed to in two stages (scanner software followed by PS/LR). My objective is to minimize the 'destructive' scanner software step, as I only want to scan once.

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