Camera profiles and Untwisted Adobe Camera Profiles

If memory serves me correctly, mention was made a while ago about the Recovery slider within LR - basically how bad it was. Um? At this time, again if memory serves me correctly, someone mentioned something about 'Untwisted Profiles'.
Anyway, following a link from another forum I ended up here http://thomaslesterphotography.com/photography/untwisted-adobe-camera-profiles/ and thought I might just give it a go. However, I am unable to locate the folder in which Lightroom stores it's camera profiles. If I follow the route (in Windows), Documents and Settings, User, Application Data, Adobe, Camera Raw, Camera Profiles I only find a index.dat file which obviously isn't the correct place.
Could some kind soul kindly point me in the direction of where these Untwisted Profiles should be placed (Windows)? Curiosity is getting the better of me and I really want to (a) see what all the fuss is about (b) is it justified and (c) do these Untwisted Profiles really make a difference. Nothing ventured nothing gained eh`? lol

ElliR,
What a great move of Thomas Lester to publish all these profiles
About the installation:
Thomas refers to “C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Camera”, which is where LR (and ACR) stores its delivered profiles. You can put the untwisted profiles there, under your camera folder.
But, if you want to keep them separate (which I prefer), you can also put them into the user specific folder (this is also where LR puts its presets). In this case, create a folder Camera in “C:\Documents and Settings\your-user\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles” (this is where you found the file index.dat) and copy the entire folder for your camera from the ZIP file into that Camera folder.
In both cases, you'll be able to see the new profiles in the Develop Module.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland
P.S: These folder locations refer to WinXP. To find out your local presets folder for your OS, use Preferences / Presets / Show Lightroom Presets Folder.

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