Camera Profiles in Camera Calibration do not reproduce JPG look

I shoot on my Nikon D700 in "RAW + FINE" mode, which means that for each picture the camera records two images: a RAW file, as well as a high-resolution JPG file.
As is well known, RAW files often look washed out, since they don't have any of the extra saturation and sharpening settings applied that the camera automatically applies to JPGs.
Camera Calibration / Camera Profiles is supposed to solve this problem by applying some of those standard JPG enhancements to RAW files. However, no matter which Camera Profile I choose (there are about 10 different ones shown in the Lightroom dropdown), none of them look like the JPG. The "Camera Neutral" profile comes the closest. But even this profile makes the RAW image look less saturated than the corresponding JPG.
How can I reproduce the JPG look EXACTLY? The Camera Profiles give me an approximation at best, but it still does not come close to the JPG look.

As is well known, RAW files often look washed out, since they don't have any of the extra saturation and sharpening settings applied that the camera automatically applies to JPGs.
Camera Calibration / Camera Profiles is supposed to solve this problem by applying some of those standard JPG enhancements to RAW files.
I don't think this is a true statement.
Camera Raw does not and cannot not know what settings you had in your camera that affect the JPG ... things like high contrast, high saturation, etc.
How can I reproduce the JPG look EXACTLY? The Camera Profiles give me an approximation at best, but it still does not come close to the JPG look.
The point of shooting RAW is not to reproduce that JPG look. The point of shooting RAW is to give you more control over the final appearance than you can get from shooting JPG (in other words, you might get processed photos that look nicer than the JPG). If you want to spend your time trying to reproduce that JPG look in your RAW photos, you will spend a lot of time and get very frustrated and not have that much success.
If you want that JPG look, use your JPGs. It's a lot simpler and faster.

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This is a spin out of another thread in the forum - How do I avoid magenta discolouring?.
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ssprengel wrote:
Which profile to use is a matter of personal taste, so why does it matter what other people use?
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This is correct.
ssprengel wrote:
I am not sure how to find photos with a particular camera profile but perhaps one of the filters in Library can do that, or a smart collection query. I don’t have LR in front of me right now to try things, myself.
I don't think this possible. I cannot find a way to do it with smart collections or the filter library. I'll keep experimenting.

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Keiger wrote:
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Camera Vivid, and so on..............
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fulltankofglass wrote:
I don't have an 'app data' folder.
Everyone has an app-data folder.
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http://www.robcole.com/Rob/ProductsAndServices/MiscLrScripts
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