Camera Raw 6.0 (and Lightroom 3) extra slow, what's happening ?

Hi,
I'm having a very annoying issue with both CR 6.0 and LR 3 which is a very slow responsiveness in the photo previews.
A month ago, I was using Windows XP SP3 32bit on my machine (Intel Core Duo Q6600 (4x2.57Ghz cores) - 4Gb RAM). I had Photoshop CS4 with Camera Raw 5.x and Lightroom 2. Everything was very smooth.
Then, I moved to Windows Seven 64bit and CS5 with CR 6 and LR 3.
Now, I have exacly the same issue I had before bying my current 4 core PC, which is :
in Camera Raw, even scrolling the left thumbnails part is extremely slow (rendeing of image thumbnails), and appying the slightest change of a slider (even basic ones) takes about a second and sometimes two seconds to be applied to the image preview. Quite painful to use !
Same applies to adjustments and thumbnails in LR 3.
The thing is, the behaviour occurs even with Canon EOS 300D RAW files which are only 6 Megapixels !
I didn't try to go back to LR2 and CS4 to check yet, but well, looks quite surprising since LR3 was supposed to be a lot faster and responsive.
As it is a clean install, I have the latest set of video drivers (it's a ATI Radeon X4800).
Do you have any suggestions as to what I could do to fix this ?
Thanks !

Istrasoft wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what was so awfully penalizing reponsiveness in ACR 6.0 ?
And, does Lightroom use the same internal 8bi plugin file to do the processing or do I have tu update Lightroom separately to get the responsiveness back ?
I don't know what they did, but I assume they rewrote some of the code which deals with some of the new process calculations and previewing, to be more processor-efficient.
Lightroom doesn't use the plug-in, as far as I know. I'd guess that would need a separate update. I haven't got it. You could tell us if it's any faster.

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