Camera raw and adobe lens profiles

Hi,
Adobe Cameraw Raw does not show my profiles from adobe lens profile.
They do are available in the filter/lens profile.
JPD

Yes.
CRaw 6.3
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Profile for Olympus sp550 uz

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New releases: Adobe Lens Profile Creator v1.0.4 and Adobe Lens Profile Downloader v 1.0.1

Along with last night's ACR 7.2/LR4.2 release (see the Lightroom Journal blog here: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/), the Adobe Lens Profile Creator and Adobe Lens Profile Downlader also got a refresh. They have now officially moved out of the Adobe Labs into the Adobe product download site. Here are the links to the new version:
Adobe Lens Profile Creator v 1.0.4:
Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5489
Win: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5490
Adobe Lens Profile Downloader v 1.0.1:
Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5491http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5491
Win: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5492http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5492
These new updates contain mostly bug fixes. Thank you all who have reported the issues. Let us know what you think.
Thanks,
Adobe Team

I am also having problems trying to install Lens Profile Downloader 1.0.1. I receive the following error message:
This application cannot be installed because this installer has been mis-configured. Please contact the application author for assistance.
I updated to the latest version of Adobe Air, I uninstalled the previous (1.0) version of Lens Profile Downloader (dragged it to the trash and emptied the trash), and I rebooted my Mac. I have tried downloading the file and rebooting my Mac several times and get the same error message every time. Any other suggestions?

Camera RAW v7.3:Lens Profile for Nikkor DX 17-55mm

Hi,
LR v4.3 correctly reads from NEF the lens Metadata like: Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED. This lens profile is properly assigned to the corresponding NEF file.
Still in LR when converting the same image (via export dialog) to TIF, again this lens profile is used and reflected in the TIF-output (including metadata). So far so good.
When converting the same image in Nikon Capture NX2 of course the lens profile (as set in LR) is NOT reflected in the TIF-output. This (should) can be taken care of by enabling a lens profile correction in LR (after import TIF into LR).
The thing is that LR suggests to apply a profile for lens: Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8G IF-ED. This profile is probably not the same as for the 17-55mm lens.
Unfortunately a profile for the Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED is not listed in the selection options.
Question is:
How can I best obtain a proper profile for the lens: Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED ?
I find it strange that Camera RAW v7.3 has the proper lens profile for the NEF but suggest another profile for the TIF version of the same file. Apparently the profile is available for NEF but not for the TIF.
How comes?
Would appreciate to receive some reasoning and possible solutions.
Thanks, Hans.

My findings:
The lens profile in ACR is for RAW files.
For converted files (TIF, JPG, etc.) a different lens profile applies.
Reason(s): The metadata of the TIF-file is not specific enough about lens profiles. (Lens profiles would need to be embedded - they are not).
For example: Has the TIF-file been converted from RAW using a profile or not? If so, the specific name of the lens profile and it's physical location would be needed.
Meanwhile it makes sense for me that this part is left to the user.
The Adobe LensProfile Creator allows to produce a suitable profile for specific needs.
For many popular lenses there is a non-RAW lensprofile (for TIF, JPG etc.) available that might be applied by the user.
Thanks 'Geoff the kiwi' you lead me onto the right path to find the answers to my questions.

LR3 and camera raw and adobe application manager

Hi all,
I have LR3 and can't for the life of me find out in the documentation or on the website whether or not
1. LR3 uses camera raw
2. if it does, whether it gets installed automatically with LR3
3. where it might get installed
4. if necessary, how you have to install the upgrade (I get "adobe application manager required" error message, can't find that on the website either)
HELP PLEASE!!
Cheers, Bob

Although ACR (app) may not be necessary when using LR3, it is needed when you use services in Photoshop - such as "merge to panorama", or HDR. I'm constantly getting an error the latest ACR is not installed. WIth the release of ACR 6.2, I'm trying again and when I try to install it I get an error "Application Manager needed to update your product" then:
Adobe Application Manager is needed to resolve this problem, however it is missing or damaged. Download a new copy of Adobe Application Manager from Adobe.com, or install this product again.
The link (http://www.adobe.com/go/applicationmanager) to the page is incorrect and returns a 404 error.
Helpful.
I'm not albe to locate a link to download a copy of the Adobe Application Manager. Anyone know where that is?
So, I still can't install ACR because of this issue. Although this doesn't seem to be a LR issue specifically, accessing ACR from LR3 is significant to some of us.
Suggestions welcome, and appreciated.
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Scale difference between Camera Raw and Lens Correction Filter in CS6

I have the latest Camera Raw plugin (8.6.0.254). When I open an NEF file from a D800, the resulting image is 4912x7360 pixels, whether I apply distortion correction or not.
If I load the NEF file, do not apply distortion correction in Camera Raw, but then apply it via the Lens Correction Filter, the image must be rescaled to approximately 4840x7252 (some 98.53%) so that it matches the results of the Camera Raw plugin (minus the missing pixels around all four sides, of course).
Anyone else notice this (particularly in newer versions of Photoshop)? Is there a way to prevent this cropping? The amount of distortion on the lens (35mm) is minimal and, regardless of that, I would have expected Camera Raw and the Lens Correction filter to output identical images after distortion correction, since the lens profile is the same.

To see if that can be replicated, we'd need to now the exact version of CS6 you're running (e.g. on Mac you should be on Photoshop CS6 13.0.6) and the exact version of your OS.

How Camera Raw and Various Profiles Handle Transition Into Overexposure

With all the attention I've been paying to profiles lately, I have been opening a lot of images with bright blue colors (hence my recent post on trying to get better blue sky color).
One of the things I've noticed is that the transition into overexposure appears to be handled VERY differently depending on the profile chosen.
Of particular interest is an image I shot recently toward a stage where some bright blue lights were shining on the crowd and into my Canon EOS-40D's lens. I was surprised at how differently the transition into overexposure is made depending on the profile chosen.
Notably not one of the Adobe-supplied profiles handles this transition smoothly at all, showing some sharp transitions - which helps explain why I had been having such trouble with sky color.
Some examples follow (these have all been converted to sRGB for display via browser). Specifically note the area around the bright blue light in the upper-right.
Adobe Standard profile, as supplied with Camera Raw by Adobe:
Camera Standard profile, as supplied with Camera Raw by Adobe:
Camera Landscape profile, as supplied with Camera Raw by Adobe:
The very good 40D "DPP Standard sRGB" profile Vit Novak provided me a couple of days ago, based on his measurements of how Canon DPP handles color:
The in-camera JPEG:
-Noel

That's awesome!
For "normal" exposure levels it exactly matches the other images converted with the profile you developed before, but the hard edge (e.g., seen when the edges of the image are lightened by Vignetting Correction) is gone. Well done!
I tried it on a number of other images and found that the transition from blue sky to whited-out overexposure was indeed noticeably better, with the sky going to cyan slightly less quicky. For example, I have an evening time exposure with the sky transitioning to overexposure. I converted the image once with Adobe Standard and each of your profiles, and put an extreme Curves adjustment layer over the top to more easily see the transition. Note the color, in particular, of the sky transition into overexposure with the three different conversions, your most recent on the bottom.
You really have gotten your head around how these profiles work with Camera raw, and you do damned good work with that knowledge, Vit!
Let's review the features of this profile:
1. It matches the camera color virtually perfectly, which I for one find an excellent starting point for further Camera Raw adjustments.
2. It handles transition into overexposure IMO as well or better than the camera manufacturer's software and hardware.
3. Since you developed it to match the camera manufacturer's sRGB conversions, and THEY don't think channel clipping is acceptable if the user has chosen to convert to sRGB, it has solved the problem with channel clipping that I had seen with all the Adobe profiles when converting directly to sRGB, and has thus made the action I had been using to do a "bend the edges" conversion unnecessary.
There is nothing not to love here!
Vit, I don't know how much work is involved with making such a profile - clearly you've put some serious time into getting where you are, but would you be interested in partnering with me and selling sets of profiles with characteristics like this one to others who would like to get the best possible Camera Raw or Lightroom conversions? If so, let's talk off the forum via eMail.
-Noel

Lens Profiles for the Fuji X-E2 and the Adobe Lens Profile Downloader

I just picked up an Fujifilm X-E2 and an 18mm f/2 lens. I noticed that LR 5.4 doesn't have a profile for this lens/body combination and I'm a little unclear whether it is applied automatically (as was the case with the X100s prior to 5.4), or not.
I also noticed that I can download profiles for the X-E1/18mm combination using the Adobe Lens Profile Downloader and wondered if this was a correct thing to do.
Thank you,
Robert

A couple things:
1) ACR 8.4 will show if a built-in profile has been applied and what corrections have been applied, so if you want to post a raw file from your camera and lens combination someone with PS / ACR 8.4 can give feedback about what built-in profiles might be doing.
2) Regarding the X100S, using ACR 8.4 RC, for an example image I downloaded, the built-in profile corrected Chromatic Aberration and Vignetting. The Adobe-supplied external profile corrected Vignetting and Geometric Distortion. So the Adobe-supplied profile does additional Geometric Distoration compared with the built-in profile. However, there was double-correction for Vignetting so one has to turn off the vignetting correction for the particular lens profile to avoid double-correction. Here is a side-by-side example showing these corrections:
This double-correction of vignetting appears to be have been corrected in the final ACR 8.4 and presumably LR 5.4.

Why do my raws look different when I view them in Adobe Bridge/Adobe Camera Raw and Canons Digital P

Hello all,
I am sorta new to taking Raw photographs and I have been been using Adobe Bridge/Camera Raw to edit. When I take my photos (I am using a Canon t2i) I have it set to save a raw and a jpg. When I view these images in Adobe Bridge/Camera Raw I notice a clear difference in the jpg and raw (I understand the whole concept behind raw vs. jpg. so im not questioning why one looks different) It is obvious all the adjustments that were applied to my jpg. vs the natural raw. My question is: When I view the same two images in the software that came with my camera, canon digital photo professionals, the canon and raw look almost identical.... My assumption is that canon is applying the same "adjustments" to my raw as it did to the jpgs? Has anyone used these two programs and noticed this?
Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Michelle

Can't say I'm an expert on DPP myself either. I've only run it a few times myself.
If you're seeing Photoshop freeze just by looking at the File Info tab, that's certainly not expected and you should start a tread specifically to discuss that. The forum may be able to help you get that working.
I happen to like the color my camera delivers in its embedded JPEGs (which I use to quickly review shots via IrfanView). Starting with that color in Camera Raw by default just feels very natural and integrated.
Without a specific custom profile to help you with the task, here's my suggestions for the next best thing:
1. Take an image with a range of different colors in it.
2. Open the embedded JPEG also using whatever means you have to do so.
3. Open it also in Camera Raw and make sure you're using the Camera Raw default parameters.
4. Go into the Camera Calibration tab (little camera icon), and choose the Camera Standard profile as provided by Adobe.
5. Tweak the various sliders so as to match the color between what you're seeing in the JPEG and Camera Raw.
6. Save new Camera Raw defaults.
Some notes:
Make sure you leave the White Balance on As Shot, since storing a specific white balance is probably not going to be helpful.
Test your settings and repeat the above to tweak them as needed using other images.
Keep in mind that not every application does proper color-management. IrfanView can be set up to do so, and I don't recall whether you have to tweak a default setting to make it do that or not (it's been a while).
Hope this helps!
-Noel

Adobe Lens Profile Creator - ERROR (Detect corners failed because file reading errors ocurred)

1) I have successfully created a lens profile for a Nikon AF Micro Nikkor 40mm 2.8 lens used in a Nikon D5200 Camera. For this I converted the raw .nef files to .DNG first using Adobe's DNG Converter.
2) When trying to create another lens profile using the EXACT SAME .DNG files as posted in 1), I am no longer able to create a lens profile because of the message "Detect corners failed because file reading errors ocurred". I am also unable to create any other lens profile using different photos.
3) I have also tried using a fresh install of Adobe Lens Profile Creator in another mac and I get the exact same error.
4) I AM ABLE to create a lens profile if I use .jpg files (generated from the same raw .nef files as mentioned) but this doesn't help because then the profiles don't show up when trying to open a raw file in Adobe Camera Raw.
Please help as this is exasperating.
Thank you.

Thanks! I had the same error message in Adobe Lens Profile Creator 1.0.4 for OSX and I found the problem to be the letter ö in the folder name for the DNGs. The lens is an old ISCO-Göttingen and the progress stopped at 2% with the mentioned error message. Changed the folder name and now it works!

Should I bother with the Adobe Lens Profile Creator?

I am concentrating mostly on architectural photography these days and I need a pep talk about the "Adobe Lens Profile Creator". The process seems laborious and error prone - in other words it could end up being a waste of time and money (for the printing of the calibration charts). Has anyone used it to good effect? And with what lenses?
I do the bulk of my work with the 24mm PC-E Nikkor f/3.5 lens and I also use two older lenses - the 28mm PC Nikkor f/3.5 and (my favorite) the 15mm Nikkor f/3.5. All three lenses suffer from a small amount of barrel distortion and chromatic aberration so some correction is usually needed.
I have two specific reservations about the lens profiling process -
1. It came out with Photoshop CS5. Since then the manual controls have increased in sophistication. Can't I get pretty much the same result using the manual adjustments?
2. In my drop-down menu in Adobe Camera Raw CC there are eighty-one lenses listed - but not the three I am using! This is crazy and reflects badly on the people who designed the whole process. Who cares about perspective correction in a 600mm lens?
Anyway, I would appreciate a reply from anyone who has gone through the profiling process. Thanks.
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German Jack ha scritto:
create an jpg/tif – profile
create a copy from the lcp
rename this copy with “ – RAW”
open this lcp with an editor
search any “False” and rename it to “True”
save it and you have a perfect raw - lensprofile
Ok, but what does it mean rename and correct the content of the lcp file?
It remains a profile created from jpg source, CameraRaw could consider it like a raw lens profile but it has no more value than a jpg profile, I believe...
Anyway, for whatelse it could be useful your suggestion to modify lcp file?
Thank you for your attention

DXO Labs Slams Adobe Lens Profile Creator

Pubicly. Check it out here;
Click here

See: DXO Labs Slams Adobes Lens Corrections
This is what I responded the first and second response...
"says Cyrille de La Chesnais, Sales and Marketing Director - Photography at DxO Labs" Uh, ok...so I'm sure HE has an advanced degree IN MARKETING maybe...
The moment that a marketing guy starts talking smack is just about the time to quit listening...
I'm sure that DxO is SEETHING at the prospect that a bunch of users can go out and create profiles of their lenses for free...what does DxO cost?
It should also be noted that DxO is partially subsidized by the French military establishment (as far as I can recall).
Just as soon as Cyrille bothers to go out and actually USE Adobe Lens Profile Creator and can PROVE using acceptable scientific testing that there's an issue, I suggest Cyrille keeps his gums together...
Then...
I've used both...I've created custom lens profiles using the Adobe Lens Profile Creator myself (and the effort, if done well is not inconsequential). I've not yet done a head to head comparison with my profile with DxO with the lens I profiled but I have closely studied the results of the Lens Correction panel in Camera Raw (in particular to write about how to do it in my book) with a variety of lenses and I gotta say, DxO does indeed have something to worry about because the profiles provided by Adobe are very good.
The lens profile I made for a Canon EF50mm F/1.2 lens is very good. I uploaded the profile I made to the Adobe Lens Profile server to share with the community (which suspect is the one thing that really galls DxO the most).
Really, let's hear from DxO's scientists not DxO's marketing guys...and let's hear from somebody who has DONE a profile using Adobe Lens Profile Creator and found severe limitations...
Oh, BTW, the guy mentions keeping the lens profile calibration target really, really flat (to profile the geometric distortion) as though that's some kind of super difficult task. Uh, no, I don't think so...Adobe suggests having the printed targets mounted on foam core and then put the mounted targets in a picture frame to keep it flat. I used a different method of mounting the targets to the front of 1/4 plate glass placed on an easel. That way I could mount multiple sized printed targets up to 36' x 48' in size.
I don't want to underestimate the amount of work involved in creating quality lens profiles. I shot a series of 5 F/stops with 3 focus distances using three different targets. Took about 5-6 hours (the first time) and that's in a studio space that's 26' x 53' with 12' ceilings with professional quality studio strobes and a photographer (me) who has 1/2 a clue what they are doing...I'm sure there will be a range in the quality of profiles for the lenses profiled by the "community". But here's the thing...that's to do lens profiles that can be automatically applied to masses of shots at once via presets or Camera Raw Defaults...but you can STILL go in and fine-tube the results from those profiles and use manual controls not only for distortion, CA and vignetting but also lens perspective correction...not sure you can even do that in DxO.
No, I'm sure DxO is trying to come up with some sort of attack/defense for their product's existence...at the moment, I suspect it sucks to be them, ya know?

Trouble trying to use Adobe Lens Profile Downloader

Hi
Ive got a legal copy of Lightroom, downloaded & installed Air, downloaded and installed Adobe Lens Profile Downloader, got 2 Adobe accounts but cannot get either account to log in using the Adobe Lens Profile Downloader, so I cannot even start to download lens profiles.
Any suggestions please?
Is there a place or way to download the profiles without using Adobe Lens Profile Downloader?
PS if I go to photoshop.com as indicated in Adobe Lens Profile Downloader, neither account logs me in even though Ive reset both passwords from photoshop.com, but both log me in on adobe.com, hence me being able to post here!

I am going to create some profiles since the profiles are not available for my camera. Once they are created on your computer you can upload them to the Adobe library using the downloader to share with the rest of the community. In other words the downloader will provide a means for you to manage your profiles on your computer those that you have and those that you don't have and those that you want to delete or replace. Note that there is a delete and submit button. I do not have any created yet to upload/submit but I would suspect that when you wanto to submit a profile you will be required to login. I tried this to submit a rating and comments and got the same message about not being able to login.

Adobe Lens Profile Creator Crashes with DNG files

Hi, I'm using Win 7 with the latest version of the Adobe Lens Profile Creator, v 1.0.4. I have no issues generating profiles from jpeg or tiff files, but every time I try to add a DNG file, I get a "Adobe Lens Profile Creator has stopped working..." error message. The DNG files were created from a Canon 5D Mk II .CR2, using the latest DNR converter 7.3.
The crash information from Windows Reliability Monitor goes:
Description
Faulting Application Path:          F:\Adobe Lens Profile Creator\Adobe Lens Profile Creator 1.0.4\Adobe Lens Profile Creator.exe
Problem signature
Problem Event Name:          APPCRASH
Application Name:          Adobe Lens Profile Creator.exe
Application Version:          1.0.0.0
Application Timestamp:          500d1325
Fault Module Name:          Adobe Lens Profile Creator.exe
Fault Module Version:          1.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp:          500d1325
Exception Code:          c0000005
Exception Offset:          0007ce0c
OS Version:          6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
Locale ID:          1033
Additional Information 1:          0a9e
Additional Information 2:          0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3:          0a9e
Additional Information 4:          0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Files that help describe the problem
AppCompat.txt
WERInternalMetadata.xml
memory.hdmp
minidump.mdmp
Really appreciate any help to solve this issue, so I can continue to create raw lens profiles. Thanks!

German Jack ha scritto:
create an jpg/tif – profile
create a copy from the lcp
rename this copy with “ – RAW”
open this lcp with an editor
search any “False” and rename it to “True”
save it and you have a perfect raw - lensprofile
Ok, but what does it mean rename and correct the content of the lcp file?
It remains a profile created from jpg source, CameraRaw could consider it like a raw lens profile but it has no more value than a jpg profile, I believe...
Anyway, for whatelse it could be useful your suggestion to modify lcp file?
Thank you for your attention

Camera Raw and Photoshop fluctuations

When I open a JPG from Camera Raw and view it in Photoshop I'm noticing that the Photoshop version, viewed at 100%, is slightly darker, viewed side-by-side, than the preview in Camera Raw, also at 100%. Both in the same color space (sRGB).
Interestingly, when I changed the color settings in Photoshop to Adobe RGB and then reprocessed the photo in Camera Raw as an Adobe RGB file and then opened it in Photoshop, the side-by-side comparison shows the Photoshop version as slightly lighter, not darker, than the version shown in the preview window in Camera Raw. Both also at 100%.
Any thoughts on the subject would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Tom
Photoshop CS3
Camera Raw 4.3.1
aluminum imac 17" display, 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB 667 MHx DDR2 SDRAM
Mac OSX 10.4.11

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Both Camera Raw and Photoshop are using your display profile to make the image preview. If the two don't match (everything matches on my displays) I suspect your display profile is less than optimal.

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