Camera Raw - apply auto tone adjustments ...

In camera raw, "apply auto tone adjustments" option in the preferences dialog is not same with the "auto" button on the basic panel, isn't it?
Both of them control the same sliders, are there any relationship between them?

Maybe, there is a bug for Windows 7 64-bit ... when the "apply auto tone adjustments" option is active on the preferences dialog, the auto button on the basic panel is also active and I'm always getting slightly different results by pressing it.

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Anyway to turn off "Apply Auto Tone Adjustments" with Tiffs + PSDs?

Using 1.1 on Mac....
When I view tiffs in Lightroom 1.1 I noticed images are much lighter than when viewing in Photoshop. Is it the preference "Apply Auto Tone Adjustments" being applied? If so is there a way to turn it off for Tiffs and PSDs?

John:
I think I just ran into the same problem in a different venue, and maybe many people are having this problem. I imported a folder of layered psd master files from which I wanted to output prints in the LR print module. (You can see the thread on this forum titled "lightroom output prints are too light"). All of them looked a good stop lighter when viewed in the LR window as compared to when they were opened in photoshop.
After some other diagnostic suggestions that did not yield a solution, Jeff Schewe told me to use the Zeroed preset when importing images, so as to eliminate any develop settings that might inadvertently be turned on. I haven't tried to print yet, but they are importing as I write this and the ones in the LR window look like they match the image when viewed in photoshop. I just checked Lee Jay's advice and did find that I had "Apply Auto Tone Adjustments" checked in the presets preferences. Am not sure why this would override "none" when importing, but evidently it does.
Am also not sure what your issues about syncing are (I didn't even know "Apply Auto Tone Adjustments" checkbox existed till I read your thread), but hope this helps.
Paula Lerner
http://www.lernerphoto.com

I want to use camera raw to make color adjustments after using Ps5 levels.

Pc win 7 cs5. I like the control I get using the Hue/sat controls in Camera raw. However, I like to set Levels in Ps first. No matter what format I use to save the image after Ps adjustments, I am no longer able to open the image in camera raw. I've tried using ctrl+r shortcut, and have tried changing preference to "Handle all Tif files" and " All Jpeg files" in Camera Raw preference dialog. It seems I can only Open a CR file in Camera raw. I believe I have used Camera Raw to edit other formats before, I may be wrong.

How about opening your file in ACR first and making adjustments, then open as Smart Object in Photoshop? Hold down the Shift key to open the image as an Object in PS
You can then create additional layers, but you can also double click the SO layer in Photoshop at any time to go back to ACR where you can make more adjustments and then return to Photoshop.
As long as you keep the SO layer in PS you can go back to ACR as many times as you want.
Just be aware that any adjustments that you do in PS will NOT be reflected in the SO when reopened in ACR.
Depending on what you are doing this may work well for you or it could be frustrating. Try it and see if it works for your specific image.
Even if it seems to not be helpful for your specific image, it might work very well with other images. (depending on your changes in PS)

Camera Raw - Enable RGB Tone Curves

In Camera Raw, the Tone Curve Channel selection is disabled. How can I enable it to allow me to adjust specific colors in Camera Raw?
I’m using Photoshop CS5, Camera Raw version 6.7.0.339 on a Windows Vista 64 bit system, and my camera is a Nikon D90.
Thanks,
Jack

I don't think you can...ACR 6.7 was a crossover version tho have compatibility with LR 4 when it was released, as a result it was set to allow processing of certain features that were in LR 4 (and ACR 7). While the RGB curves show up dimmed, I don't think ACR 6.7 allows actually adjusting the RGB curves. I think the only way to get them is update to CS6 and ACR 7.x.

Does Camera Raw apply tangential corrections computed by Adobe Lens Profile Creator?

Dear Adobe,
I have noticed that even if ALPC calculates tangential distortion parameters, camera raw does not apply any tangential correction to the images. This can be easily proved by manually changing the values of the two tangential distortion parameters in the *.lcp file. Nothing changes to the images even exagerating the values. Varying the other parameters such as radial distortion parameters and principal point location (image center) results in evident changes in the images. I am interested in using camera raw to correct the images from ditortions for scientific purposes. It would be very helpful for me if you could help me.
Thank you in advance,
Fabio

PSE does not have the user-interface to turn on lens-corrections, nor does the ACR 6.1 update for PSE contain the lens-profile database installer, so if PSE is the only member of the PS-family that you have installed then effectively you cannot apply lens profiles.
If a computer has the lens-profile database installed and lens-distortion-correction has been enabled in the XMP sidecar for a particular image, both requiring PS-CS5's ACR 6.1-updater or LR3 to be installed and one of those used to enable lens-corrections for the image, then PSE can use ACR 6.1 to apply a lens profile, because the version of the ACR 6.1 plug-in for PS and PSE is the same plug-in.
BTW, removing fish-eye distortion completely, which is what enabling lens-corrections does by default, will leave a rather poor looking image that has been completely rectilinearized but has severe stretching of the pixels at the edges, so only the center is useable. With my 8mm Sigma fisheye, I reduce the Distortion part of the correction down to 44 so the black corners are gone, but there is still some bulging of the image.
If you want to experiment with lens-corrections, you could install the 30-day trial of LR3.

Camera Raw 3.7 no longer supports per slider auto adjustments

Nobody else resent this "improvement"?
Now the only way to have the image properly scaled (while not affecting everyting else by the automatic guesswork) is to have the settings in custom non-automatic default and then one has to use the Exposure slider manually with the aid of the Highlights Clipping Warning, for each and every image.
Compared to the 3.6 where this is fully automatic and works very very well.

sorry for the confusion, it is indeed shift double click and double click to change from auto to standard.
If you use your own created standard setting both automatic and standard on top of the sliders are blue colored and visible. Using auto does gray out the auto setting and using standard does gray out this option which is logical because you have to click on the highlighted option to change.
So this is the way to see in what mode you are.
underneath a copy from the original post that came with the release,
regards
Omke
Topic
Camera Raw 3.7 Now Available
Tom Hogarty - 09:36pm Feb 18, 2007 Pacific
The Photoshop Camera Raw 3.7 plug-in is now available on adobe.com.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html
Important Notes Regarding Camera Raw 3.7
There are several significant changes to Camera Raw 3.7 in how it handles auto and default settings:
Applying auto settings by default is no longer controlled on a model by model basis, but instead there is a single global preference checkbox Apply auto tone adjustments that controls this adjustment for all camera models at once.
Camera Raw 3.7 no longer supports per slider auto adjustments. One Auto control at the top of the panel now sets the Exposure, Shadows, Brightness, and Contrast sliders to their auto values. The Default control at the top of the panel sets these same four sliders to their default values. The keyboard shortcut for the Auto control is CMD/CTRL-U.
The keyboard shortcut for the Default control is CMD/CTRL-R.
Double clicking on a slider to set that single slider to its default value.
Shift double clicking on a slider to set that single slider to its auto value.
Previously, default image settings could only be applied per camera model. Camera Raw 3.7 can now:
-Apply default image settings specific to a camera serial number
-Apply default image settings specific to a camera ISO setting
The additional criteria are located in the Camera Raw preferences.
The default settings (including the global auto preference) are now shared with the DNG Converter.
The DNG Converter requires OS X 10.3.9 as a minimum operating system.

Bridge CS6 How to turn off auto tone adjustment for the loupe?

Adobe Bridge CS6. 'Apply auto tone adjustments' is unchecked in Camera Raw Preferences. Yet every time I click on an image in the preview panel it does a tonal adjustment before it magnifies the image detail. I am viewing bracketed images and do not want any auto tone applied at any time while previewing images. How can I turn off all auto tone adjustment for the program - including the loupe. I never had this issue in a previous version. I'm on PC. Thanks for any help!

All 4 Default Image Settings are unchecked. Checking this further I have found this is only a visual issue in Bridge Preview. I have opened the same raw file before any adjustment had taken place (w/o using the loupe magnifier) in PS CS6 - and then again opened it after using the magnifier which did an auto contrast adjust on the image. Both files are the same in PS CS6. This is only a visual issue within Bridge (Master Collection CS6) on my Win7 64 bit machine. No issue with a standalone PS CS6 version on my XP 64 bit system.
There is no auto adjustment of the image until I use the loupe (magnifier tool).
Note my previous comment as to what happens when I use it. Thanks!
I have a feeling this is a bug. I have a Photography help group on fb and posed this question to them. I had mostly no issue responses but got this from another person. I checked after reading this and it is the same issue with me - this only happens with raw files, not jpeg. Here is his comment line.
Carl, I see what you mean, I have tried several adjustments to the preferences and none seem to work. The image automatically adjusts after a brief time. There does not seem to be any way to turn off the adjustment. I'm using Bridge CS 6 on a Mac. I don't think it has anything to do with camera calibration, but it only happens when using RAW files. I tried it on JPGs and TIFFs and it did not adjust the loupe image. Wonder what Adobe has to say
So - tThanks for any thoughts! So at least it's not going to be an editing issue - but it's a pain here. I use Bridge to edit my shoots and I often shoot bracketed images. While I cull images according to the histogram, I also do visual assessment and I can't have Bridge doing it's own thing on tonal adjustment.

Ever noticed that Auto Tone performs slightly different adjustments when applied during import as opposed to when applied in the Develop module? I've just run some experiments using LR 5.7.1 Camera Raw 8.7.1 using Canon CR2 images. 3 out of 4 test images

Original Images after applying Auto tone in the develop module
Image
14BD3911.CR2
14BD3912.CR2
14BD3913.CR2
14BD3914.CR2
Exposure captured
Under
Over
Slightly over
Under
WB Temp (as shot)
2300
2300
6650
6650
WB Tint (as shot)
+7
+7
+6
+6
Tone Exposure (auto)
+2.9
+0.5
+0.5
+1.9
Contrast (auto)
+4
-3
-17
+6
Highlights (auto)
-48
-45
-11
-10
Shadows (auto)
+48
+45
+11
+10
Whites (auto)
0
0
+23
+29
Blacks (auto)
-7
-6
-14
-6
Images imported with LR General Preset Auto Tone
Image
14BD3911-2.CR2
14BD3912-2.CR2
14BD3913-2.CR2
14BD3914-2.CR2
Exposure captured
Under
Over
Slightly over
Under
WB Temp (as shot)
2300
2300
6650
6650
WB Tint (as shot)
+7
+7
+6
+6
Tone Exposure (auto)
+2.9
+0.5
+0.5
+1.9
Contrast (auto)
+4
-2
-17
+6
Highlights (auto)
-48
-45
-12
-10
Shadows (auto)
+48
+45
+12
+10
Whites (auto)
0
0
+22
+29
Blacks (auto)
-7
-3
-12
-3

I received two email replies (BriPhoto & Rob Cole) to my above post, which are now missing here. I only mentioned Auto WB because of this statement in your PDF posted here Shared Cat:
"Apply auto WB and Auto tone to an unmodified photo and note the changes.
Apply auto WB and tone to another photo with very different exposure and tone and note changes to confirm that changes are different and do depend on the content of the photo being operated on (assumption)."
You are now saying:
"However, in this case we are talking about the SAME raw file, imported from the camera's CF card twice. One is imported with no preset, then the Auto Tone preset applied, the other is imported with the Auto Tone preset set in the import module. Both files have the SAME WB setting (As Shot) and the same Temp and Tint, as you would expect. The only differences (in LR) are in the tonal values."
I repeated Import of the two copies of your 14BD3913 CR2 file (14BD3913.CR2, 14BD3913-2.CR2) following the above procedure. The Tone values are identical for both using LR5.7 on my Windows 7 SP1 system. I cannot duplicate your issue as outlined above.
Is this the Auto Tone preset you are using on Import?
Two other things you can try:
1) Reset your LR Preferences file:
http://members.lightroomqueen.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/1148/198/how-do-i-delete-the- lightroom-preferences-file
2) If that doesn't correct the issue I would try uninstalling LR5.7.1, delete the LR Preferences file, and then reinstall LR5.7.1 using a fresh download.

Camera RAW auto tone settings applied to jpegs

I posted this in the Windows Bridge forum, but a camera raw preference controls this so I am also posting here.
On jpeg files without any RAW setting applied, Bridge still applies RAW settings to the thumbnails and the preview are thus display incorrectly. Opening the file shows the jpeg as it should be, without RAW settings applied.
I have RAW preferences set to apply auto settings to RAW files without any current settings.
I have my RAW settings to open jpegs in RAW *only* when they already have settings. If I set this to disable jpeg support, then the RAW settings are not automatically applied to jpegs without existing settings. aka, Bridge redoes the thumbnails without the auto setting.
While it is correct to apply auto tone to RAW files without settings, jpeg files are already "developed/printed" and should not get additional auto develop settings automatically applied.
My Bridge is 4.0.4.2
Raw is 6.3
-Norman

I posted this in the Windows Bridge forum, but a camera raw preference controls this so I am also posting here.
On jpeg files without any RAW setting applied, Bridge still applies RAW settings to the thumbnails and the preview are thus display incorrectly. Opening the file shows the jpeg as it should be, without RAW settings applied.
I have RAW preferences set to apply auto settings to RAW files without any current settings.
I have my RAW settings to open jpegs in RAW *only* when they already have settings. If I set this to disable jpeg support, then the RAW settings are not automatically applied to jpegs without existing settings. aka, Bridge redoes the thumbnails without the auto setting.
While it is correct to apply auto tone to RAW files without settings, jpeg files are already "developed/printed" and should not get additional auto develop settings automatically applied.
My Bridge is 4.0.4.2
Raw is 6.3
-Norman

How do I turn off ALL auto adjustments in Camera Raw?

SUMMARY:
I am simply trying to open my images in Camera Raw (version 8.6.0.254) via Bridge CC exactly how they were shot in camera, with no auto adjustments whatsoever. I already have all of the auto boxes unchecked in the Camera Raw Preferences dialogue box under Default Image Settings. I am shooting raw on a Sony A7r.
MORE INFO:
This discussion is not being created without prior research on how to solve it. Hopefully there is a simple solution that I have overlooked and missed when looking for it.
I shoot my raw images flat on purpose. The in-camera saturation is turned down, along with a lot of the other picture profile settings in the camera.
I use Bridge CC to sort though my images and make selects. In Bridge, I have "Prefer Embedded" selected for my thumbnails in order to stop the auto processing to happen to the thumbnails there.
The problem is, as soon as I open my raw images in Camera Raw from Bridge, the auto adjustments kick in and the saturation and exposure are automatically adjusted. I can't figure out how to stop Camera Raw from making adjustments to my raw images. As stated above, all of the auto check boxes are unchecked in the Camera Raw Preferences.
When the "Command U" shortcut is pressed after an image is opened, it applies the auto settings, making it clear the Camera Raw thinks that nothing has been applied yet. Toggling between "Camera Raw Defaults" and "Image Settings" in the side drop down menu does nothing either.
Below are two screen shots. One of how the thumbnail looks in Bridge, desaturated and flat. The other is how the image opens in Camera Raw with no user adjustments what so ever. You can see how the saturation and exposure have been adjusted:
Bridge Preview - this is how the image was shot in camera.
Camera Raw - Straight after opening the file with no user adjustments. You can clearly see the dramatic auto adjustments, but all of the sliders are set to default.
I would love to get some help with this, so I can see and work on my images as they were shot. Im really hoping it is a stupid oversight on my part with an easy fix. Thanks for the help.

As was already said: the camera's interpretation of the raw data is just one interpretation, and not the same as Adobe's. Don't confuse it with "exactly how they were shot", as this doesn't apply when shooting Raw. Granted it IS the manufacturer's interpretation, but you wouldn't be shooting Raw and using Adobe Camera Raw if you thought the manufacturer was always right.
One thing nobody has mentioned is Adobe's "baseline exposure" compensation factor. Camera Raw adjusts the default preview exposure by a factor of EV based on their measurements of the camera sensor. My present camera is boosted by 0.35EV and my last camera by 0.5EV. There is a way of determining this using EXIFTOOL, but I can't remember how to do it offhand. For the last few years, I have adjusted my own Camera Raw defaults by reversing this compensation, so it more closely matches the exposure I was expecting.
EDIT: here's the procedure, if you're interested. Re: Baseline Exposure

Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files

I have a folder with 32,000 frames from a time-lapse project that I'm doing. I'd like to apply the same camera raw adjustments to all of these files, and so follow one of the two methods below - neither of which are working with such a large set of files:
Method 1:
Select all files, open in camera raw.
Apply changes to the first image
Select all images, then synchronize the changes to all other images.
Unfortunately selecting "Open in Camera Raw..." just leaves bridge to hang. It's using a lot of memory and processor time, so I would assume it's working, but there's no progress bar or similar to indicate that it is.
Method 2:
Open first file in Camera Raw
Apply all changes, and exit camera raw.
Select all files in Bridge, right click on one and select "Develop Settings -> Previous Conversion"
Unfortunately the final step again leaves bridge just thinking. I waited around an hour, closed bridge, but unfortunately when I opened it again there was no sign that it had copied the camera raw settings onto any of the other files. My computer's pretty slow (see below) but it should have written one xmp file in an hour.
Question:
Does anyone have any workarounds other than repeating the process 32 times for 1000 images at a time?
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The files are only 2MP each, and I have the same issue when I apply the changes to RAW files and JPG files. The error occurs though before any changes are applied, before the images would need to be recached, as when the error doesn't occur the dialogue box I mentioned pops up asking what to change.
Your specs sound more then enough I would think. Do you have set the option to Write cache to folders when possible and if so could you uncheck that option?
I don't have experience with this kind of numbers but I do dump the Bridge cache manually on a regular base (every new cycle it seems to be more stable so more interval in the periods of dumping cache) but my main folder contains usually around 6 to 7 K of DNG files from 21 MP dSLR. This starts caching without problems but takes a few hours before done.
Can't use the option cache for folder due to a longstanding problem with error message to replace the CacheT file, hence my question about your setting.
Also I have set the option to previews Always HQ and in the prefs have set the option to build monitor size previews.
As said, don't know the large numbers but the 2 MP files are very small and it should be possible for Bridge I would think?
Did you also try to create a new folder and place the files inthere. Or divide them in to three folders for testing?

What is the difference between LR Develop and Camera Raw?

I am new to LR, but have been using PS for some time. My old work flow was to shoot in RAW transfer to my computer HD then process first in Camera Raw and do final adjustments in PS, then save back to the computer HD.
So far I like LR, which came as a bundle with my subscription to PS CC. But I'm confused about LR's proper place in the workflow.
So a few questions.
Is LR Develop the equivalent of Camera Raw? If it is then can it substitute Camera Raw?
If not then should I process first in LR Develop before going to Camera Raw? I like being able to apply adjustments to multiple photos in a shoot, but I still want the power of Camera Raw for some things, unless LR Develop does that better.
So I'm wondering what the best work flow is.
Is it Shoot>LR>Develop>Camera Raw>PS>Save back to LR.
Or is it Shoot>LR>Camera Raw>LR Develop>PS>Save back to LR. (This one seems very difficult)
Hoping to end my confusion,
Bob Gall

Is LR Develop the equivalent of Camera Raw?
The image processing algorithms are identical.
If it is then can it substitute Camera Raw?
Yes, if you are going to use LR
So I'm wondering what the best work flow is.
Do as much development work as possible in Lightroom. Only if you need additional editing power (that Lightroom doesn't have) would you choose to send the photo to Photoshop. In this case, you would use the Lightroom command: right-cilck on the photo and choose Edit In... https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/open-lightroom-photos-external-applications.html#op en_photos_in_photoshop
This sends a copy of your edited image to Photoshop for whatever you want to do there. Once completed in Photoshop, you would do a SAVE (not Save As) in Photoshop for Lightroom to recognize the edits done in Photoshop.
You may (or may not) find that certain photos don't even need Photoshop.
Camera Raw is not needed in this workflow.

Camera Raw / smart object ?

Using CS3 / CR / Bridge
Scenario:
I've shot 500 wedding images, sorted & edited them in Bridge. Now I'll look at each one in camera raw (in Bridge) and make any needed adjustments. I use CR and adjust / sync as many similar files as I can; zipping thru the 500 images quickly and save without opening, then in Bridge > Tools > Photoshop > Image Processor, I use the image processor to process all the 500 images (while I sleep), and save as tiff or psd. I set the CR options to process as a Smart Object. But the files don't process a SO.
Question:
Is there a way to process /batch process the 500 images and have them saved so later when I open them, they open as smart objects. I only fine tune the client "Picks" as they don't order all the 500 images shot. Now if I want to alter the color balance, exposure, etc., I can double click the smart object, go back into camera raw and make any adjustments/ refinements, click OK and it updates the file. This mantain's a higher integrity of the file.
In CR I know I can check the box "open as a smart object", but that only seems to apply if I immediately open the file (or files) and then save them. It is not practical or feasible to select 500 files, open and save them at one time. If I save the Raw file(s) to open later, (as in my above workflow) then it will not open as a smart object.
Another way to ask this question:
Why can't I use the Image Processor in Bridge / CR to process my 500 CR files as Smart Objects?
When in CR I can set the options to process as a SO, but that only will process the open file(s) in CR as SO. Not practical to process 500 files.
I checked on the Adobe Exchange but did not find any scripts or actions that would facilitate this.
Does anyone know if what I'm trying to do is possible and how?
Thanks,
JeffN

In an effort to keep this question / answer current, (this question is on listed on two forums) here is an answer from Jeff Schewe from the Photoshop > Mac forum.
31. Jul 29, 2010 3:58 PM in response to: Jeff_N
Re: Camera Raw / smart object ?
Jeff_N wrote:
Jeff S
Any thoughts, suggestions, or can this not be done.
I'm pretty sure it's a bug....when recording the action in CS5, if you change the Workflow Options to open as a Smart Object, ALL the settings are hardcoded into the recorded Open action step. This is wrong...if you open an image and change the Workflow OPtions but DON'T try to open as a Smart Object, the Open action is recorded correctly–only the Workflow Options are recorded and when processed the files properly retain their individual original settings. So, the act of changing the Workflow Options to make a Smart Object is incorrectly hard coding the settings in.

What are the changes / enhancements / or possible bugs in LR 5 Auto Tone

Can anyone explain what, if any, changes, enhancements, or possible bugs were introduced in the functionality of Auto Tone since LR ver. 5.0. The reason I ask is that I get different results for the Exposure and Contrast adjustments when applying Auto Tone (using ver. 5.3) from the results (using ver.5.0) shown in the book "Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5 CIB" in the "Using Quick Develop in the Library module" section, step 4 on page 37. (This difference in results between LR versions was confirmed by the authors of LR5CIB.)

I'm not sure about any new bugs but the radical exposure mis-calculations have been improved. I had photos that were over exposed to 5 (and even 10, believe it or not) that were exposed to a more appropriate 2 or so following the improvements (in Lr5.2 if memory serves). It's also less likely to radically underexpose.
Enjoy, (in my opinion, it's much better)
I think there may have even been further improvement in Lr5.3 but I can't swear to it - seems to preserve a little more contrast than in 5.2 - could be my imagination..
Rob

Bridge CS4 looses my labels and ratings if edited in Camera RAW

Hi there. This is my first post here, so please forgive me if I make any errors of normal posting procedure. I'm hoping someone might be able to identify this problem please.
I am using Bridge CS4 v.3.0.0.464 and Photoshop CS4 v.11.0 and Camera RAW 5.0.0.178
On Windows Vista Home Premium 64 Bit service pack 2, and working mainly with jpg files from a Nikon D300s
I've noticed recently the following behaviour. If I label and/or rate some photos in Bridge, and then open those photos via Camera RAW, and then make adjustments to those photos in Camera RAW and open them directly from there into Photoshop, then the original file in Bridge looses all it's rating and label info, and shows a new modified date and time as of that moment.
This only seems to happen if I actually edit the photo in Camera RAW, I do not ask to save it (and remember these are JPG files so as I understand it any changes in Camera RAW would not be saved unless I ask to resave the file itself) but to open it directly into Photoshop (and I then save the finished work as a copy to a different place from Photoshop) but the act of making an edit in Camera RAW seems to affect the original file settings in some way, and that looses the labelling etc.
However, just a couple of days ago something even odder happened. I opened Bridge, navigated to a recent (and recently labelled) folder to browse some photos (at this point I had not opened either Camera RAW or Photoshop and was not doing editing of any sort). When I got to the folder I wanted and Bridge started to display the thumbnails, I immediately heard my hard drive working very hard, and watched as over the course of a few seconds all my labels, ratings etc, were erased from the files in that folder, you could actually see it happening in real time in the filter pane as the number of red-labelled photos counted down from 30 to 0, and the modified dates for those 30 shifted from two days before to the current time/date. it only happened for the labelled and/or rated photos, the others remained unchanged, with their modified dates still the same as when I created the folder a few days before. This has so far happened to me just once, a couple of days ago, it was as if Bridge was somehow refreshing a cache or something, and that caused it to to clear all the changes I had made.
Anyway, I couldn't really find any reference online or on these forums to that specific behaviour. After reading some slightly similar problems online I tried a few changes to settings. Allowing Bridge to automatically export the cache to folders where possible, and making sure that the main Adobe cache location is writable (not read only) in windows folder settings. However, although I have not yet had a repeat of the weird incident above, that hadn't happened before either so I cant really claim that I've cured it. But moreover the issue of loosing labels/rating when editing with Camera RAW still persists consistantly even after those changes, so that is definitely still a problem
Can anyone shed any light please? if it's a known problem, a flaw, or maybe (hopefully) can be sorted with some settings that I have missed.
Thanks for any help
Best regards
Will

Welcome to the froum. Your submittal was great.
I don't know if this will fix your problems, but you need to update to the current versions and see where that takes you. Click on Downloads/updates at top of page.
You have Bridge CS4 v.3.0.0.464 and Photoshop CS4 v.11.0 and Camera RAW 5.0.0.178. Don't know what current version of Bridge is, but you need PS v. 11.0.1 which fixed a number of mistakes. Also, the current RAW is 5.6 I believe. I am still on CS3.
eatfirst wrote:
This only seems to happen if I actually edit the photo in Camera RAW, I do not ask to save it (and remember these are JPG files so as I understand it any changes in Camera RAW would not be saved unless I ask to resave the file itself) but to open it directly into Photoshop (and I then save the finished work as a copy to a different place from Photoshop) but the act of making an edit in Camera RAW seems to affect the original file settings in some way, and that looses the labelling etc.
Edits, keywords, and rating can be stored in the XMP file. This has the same name as the file and needs to move with the file or you will loose info. If you move or rename the file, and don't use Bridge, this file could be left behind. You can see this file in Bridge, if you have show hidden files clicked in View. You can look at it in Windows Explorer if you have "show hidden files".
Check to see if you have an XMP file in the new location. If not then do you workflow in stages and see if you have an XMP file after edits before you save it to another location.
Hope this helps.

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