Camera Raw & Chrome Space 100, J. Holmes

Is there any way to get Camera RAW to allow me to use Chrome Space 100, J. Holmes instead of ProPhoto RGB?
I'd like to be able to use additional profiles with Camera RAW for my film scans.
Thanks!

timgrayphoto wrote:
I guess my concern with going from Chrome Space to ProPhoto is that I'll lose some color information in the process.
From film scans? I don't think so. If you are scanning into one of Joe's profiles from your scanner you should be able to do a profile transform into ProPhoto RGB 16 bit and bring those in as tiffs with little color loss and largely a gamma transform.

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Our eyeballs all have rods and cones that are irregularly spaced and sparse, and we all can see just fine without a Bayer array in our eyeballs, so there's no fundamental reason why Adobe won't be able to fix this issue with X-Trans demosaicing. I just hope they get on the case with a fix for the next version of ACR.
Here's an example that anyone can recreate: ACR's chroma smearing is especially a problem for any text that appears in the image. The numbers on the boats below show chroma smearing when processed using ACR, but not with SilkyPix or other software. It's also possible to see the same problem using dpreview's studio comparison tool. The lens is a 35 mm f1.4 so this smearing at the image center certainly isn't any chromatic abberation from the lens.
Original image (35 mm f1.4):
1:1 crops:
ACR (version 7.3) versus SilkyPix (version shipped with Fuji cameras):

As you say it’s been “widely reported” and Adobe knows about it.

Camera Raw and Photoshop fluctuations

When I open a JPG from Camera Raw and view it in Photoshop I'm noticing that the Photoshop version, viewed at 100%, is slightly darker, viewed side-by-side, than the preview in Camera Raw, also at 100%. Both in the same color space (sRGB).
Interestingly, when I changed the color settings in Photoshop to Adobe RGB and then reprocessed the photo in Camera Raw as an Adobe RGB file and then opened it in Photoshop, the side-by-side comparison shows the Photoshop version as slightly lighter, not darker, than the version shown in the preview window in Camera Raw. Both also at 100%.
Any thoughts on the subject would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Tom
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Camera Raw vs Lightroom Color Spaces

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So far so good. I have read that all one needs to do is use the same settings in Lightroom. But when I opened the exact same RAW file in Lightroom and use the exact same develop and calibration settings that I used in ACR, it gives different values for the tone squares. And in fact the values are almost exactly the values for Adobe RGB (e.g. approx 242,200,159,121,84,53). And when I open that file in Photoshop from Lightroom using the ProPhoto color space option the value stay at the same Adobe RGB levels within the ProPhoto color space.
What am I missing/doing wrong?

the values in lightroom are not based on prophotoRGB, but on a prophotoRGB-derived space with the same primaries but with a sRGB tone curve. Since adobeRGB has almost the same tonecurve as sRGB, your values came out close. Bottomline is that the values do not correspond to the ppRGB values in ACR.

Elements 10, Camera Raw 6.7: no colour space choices

Newbie alert!
I'm no expert on Photoshop or Camera Raw, but I read everywhere that I should be able to change the colour space of the Camera Raw output. At the moment I can only get the default which is sRGB but I want Adobe.
There's a little camera gizmo titled "Camera Calibration" underneath the histogram, but it's not there.
I've read that there should be some control in the middle beneath the preview but there's nothing there either.
Is this hobbled in Elements?
Thanks,
Keith

ElephantSandwich wrote:
Thanks for the reply: I'm aware I can set the colour space in the editor but my concern is that if it's exported from Camera Raw as sRGB then converted to AdobeRGB that there may be some information loss, my thinking being that getting it right early is better than later. Am I right in thinking that converting from sRGB to ARGB will lose information, or more likely won't have the full information set in the first place because the initial export from RAW is to sRGB?
I have to say I find the subject of colour management quite mystifying ... but I gather I'm not alone in that.
Thanks again.
Keeping in mind that a raw file has no color profile (it's not even an 'image', it's a recording of light intensity for each of the photosites laid out in a 'Bayer pattern' with Red, Green and blue filters) and that your raw file information will never be altered by any converter, you can be sure that it is always possible to re-process the raw file to aRGB without any information loss.
You are perfectly right that the resulting image (psd, tiff, jpeg...) when you save from the editor will keep its color profile and that converting sRGB to aRGB won't add any useful information; that's what I said in the other post.
When I was experimenting on that matter with other users in another forum, I was able to select previously edited raw files containing subtle tones in green/cyan and re-process them in aRGB instead of sRGB and I got better results on my 6-inks home printer.
Don't believe all images will be better in aRGB, there are not necessarily 'out of gamut' colours in all of your pictures.
Edit
I just realized that I have missed to put the link to the other thread:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4619442#4619442

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I was reffering to this :
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What you can do right now is download the beta of the DNG Converter 7.2 RC from Adobe Labs which will convert a folder of ARW files to DNG files which can then be processed with older versions of Camera Raw including what comes with PSE10 or PSE9.
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Hi, Im new to Camera Raw. You can choose the colour space that your file will open up in photoshop as eg. adobergb or srgb. However when you select the colour space does it also ultimately affect what colours you are working with in camera raw? As you can make adjustments to the image like exposure but if it uses srgb that has fewer colours than adobe rgb then you wouldnt be able to see all the colours that your are affecting with the changes you make in Camera Raw. Any help is appreciated. thanks

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However the display profile will usually limit the colors you can see regardless of the chosen image rendering space, since the gamut of most displays is less than sRGB. You can still measure the colors with the eyedropper, but those outside of the display gamut will be visually clipped to the closest available inside the gamut. A good example is the bright yellow of some flowers, even though you can measure color differences across a petal the display will render only one shade. For this reason if the image is destined only for email/web viewing sRGB is the best colorspace choice, since an image in ProPhoto space will look very flat and unsaturated on non-color managed systems.
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Hi all,
I've started having trouble with changes in Camera RAW not sticking once they're closed. I've got the XMP files, and Bridge shows the little icon to show it's been changed, but the changes aren't staying. I've tried clearing the cache, restarting the program and rebooting to no avail. To answer the preferred questions:
Photoshop CC, 14.2.1 64x
Totally updated
Windows 8.1 Pro
Nikon d800 RAW (NEF) files
No error messages
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Always worked previously
Chrome, anti-virus. Never been an issue previously. Bridge usually runs at the same time.
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Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance!

Thanks for the reply, Trevor! I've been on this internets for a long while now, and the first thing i notice in forums are that people never seem to follow the posting guidelines and never seem to provide info that's needed to help them (see: many photog forums where people ask for lens/camera recs and never tell us budget, needs, current equipment, or what they actually WANT to photograph!), so I find it's expedient to actually provide necessary information! Gettng gold stars for well-thought out, thorough explanations: what a novel concept!
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Cheers anyway!

HELP!!??? Trouble with PS CS-6 displaying/ producing grainy and pixelated images after being imported using PS Bridge and Camera-Raw 8.5

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Adobe Camera Raw - CPU or RAM?

Hey All!
Please read the whole post, but if you want to cut to the chase, my question is: for ACR conversions would I be better off with an (Windows) 8-core system and 6gigs of ram, or a 4-core system and 12 gigs of ram?
I am a professional photographer who, after upgrading to some equipment that spits out serious file sizes, needs to upgrade his computer system. I shoot almost exclusively RAW and I rely primarily on Adobe Camera Raw to convert my files and open them in photoshop. While photoshop performance is a consideration, my biggest concern is to be able to open ACR images ridiculously quick.
Right now, working off 21 megapixel images on my current system, it takes between 10 - 20 seconds to open/convert a single file into photoshop. I'm aiming for a couple of seconds.
My current system (please don't laugh ... I know its bad):
XP 32-Bit
dual-core 2.00GHz
3G DDR2 Ram (with 3G switch enabled)
5400 rpm Hard Drives
Running CS4 and ACR 5.3
Future Set Up Considerations:
Vista 64-Bit
Processor/RAM
a) quad-core-Q9600 3.00 GHz with 8 gigs DDR2 (1150MHz)
b) i7-920 2.66 GHz with 12 gigs of DDR3 (1600 MHz) - adds about $500 to price - worth it?
c) 2 Xeon-quad-core-5530 2.40 GHz with 6gigs DDR3 (1600Mhz) - adds about $1000 to price - worth it?
d) something AMD?!?!
Hard Drives (7200rpm)
2 for images storage (one as an internal backup)
1 For operating system, applications, music, etc
1 For scratch disk
Basically, the question comes down to whether extra cores or extra ram will ultimately make the biggest difference in the ACR performance
During my testing on my (sad) currently system, here are my conclusions (let me know what you think):
Changing the 3G switch to allow the jump from 2 to 3 gigs of ram usage for applications makes no difference in performance
When I am opening up ACR files both cores show 100% usage (will that continue over 4 or 8 cores?)
Photoshop in general seems to be more CPU limited in my case than ram limited (most of the time is says 100% efficiency but things still take bloody long
From some more experienced users, or users who have quad or octa core system or systems with insane amount of ram, I woudl really appreciate your feedback!
Thanks for the long read!
~
Justin

Hey Zeno!
Thanks for the reply.
I would have to disagree thought that it is hard drive limited at this moment. Take a look at my task manager:
It was running about 5% before I started converting pictures, and then as soon as I started converting the pictures, both cores hit 100% (with little gaps between pictures), and then back to 5% after they were done. You can also see the ram alocation being increased with each picture that is opened.
So basically, I am wondering if going to a quad core will have all 4 CPU's hit 100%, thus coming close to doubling the speed. Or if I go i7 then with hyper threading it'll go to 8 effective cores. Or if I go to dual Xeon processors I'd have 8 cores and with hyperthreading effectively 16 cores.
I am wondering if anyone has experience with a quad core or octacore system that might be able to share some insight.
But I would agree that probably for now 6Gs of ram is probably plenty.
I also don't understand when you said:
"same goes with the CPU, the more cores you have the less benefit you get out of adding more of them"
Could you elaborate. Its just that it takes about 15-20 seconds to convert a single file, and space that out even over 50 photos, that is still 15 minutes of wasted time. Just trying to get the best I can without wasting needlessly.
Thanks a ton!
~
Justin

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