Camera RAW - reference to Java 2D

If you know of a good implementation of Camera RAW in Java please respond to my question in the Java 2D forum. I'm only cross-posting here since that forum has a very low activity level.

The ACR 5.3 BETA release posted in the Adobe Labs is destined for Photoshop and Bridge CS4. There is no standalone version of the plug-in posted and this installer only works for Photoshop and Bridge. (Note there are no instructions for Elements users).

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Cannot Use Camera Raw out of LightRoom 4

Below is a lengthy dialogue that I just had with Tech Support via Chat regarding accessing Camera Raw directly out of LightRoom 4. The end result is that it can't be done. LightRoom 4 has it's own "Develop" section and if you try to "Edit in: PhotoShop 6" the RAW image will bypass Camera Raw and open directly into PhotoShop. Something that I was surprised at and frustrated by. I thought for sure I was missing somehting.
I do not recommend buying LightRoom other than a means of "organizing" our images. I simply use Bridgne and am able to open a Canon "CR2" Raw file directly into Camera Raw and then after making my adjustments directly into PhotoShop. LightRoom lacks Layers, Paths and Channels and a host of other wonderful adjustment / manipulation capabilites not found in LightRoom.
So, if you are like me and want to use Camera Raw prior to going to PhotoShop then LightRoom will not get you there. I spent a tremendous amount of time researching it thinking I must be missing something and then I contacted Support via Chat and we went through changing %AppData%, which only resulted in me losing all my PhotoShop Preferences! A total waste of the Technician's time and mine.
I share the below chat with you only to show you the ludicrous amount of time wasted when the answer remains the same: YOU CANNOT ACCESS CAMERA RAW DIRECTLY OUT OF LIGHTROOM 4
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You are now chatting with 'Soumyadeep'
Soumyadeep: Hello. Welcome to Adobe Technical Support.
Soumyadeep: Hi Fred!
Fred: Hi there my friend. I am trying to use Lightroom 4, but frankly am not happy with the way it handles RAW files.
Fred: I cannot open a Canon ".cr2" RAW file directly into Camera Raw from LightRoom.
Soumyadeep: I have received your query. Please allow me a moment to verify your account and to review the details of your request.
Fred: Thanks. I have also gone through all of the information I can find in the "Help Menu" looking up everything. Can't find a thing on LightRoom 4. I did not have this problem with Lightroom 3.
Fred: The RAW file that it references is "DNG".
Soumyadeep: I understand that you are unable to preview cr2 raw images in Lightroom 4, am I correct?
Fred: No, I can preview it, but when i want to open it the only choice I am given is CS6. I cannot open it into Camera Raw and it actually choses a completely different and inappropriate plug in from NIK Software.
Soumyadeep: Thank you for confirming.
Fred: I know I can change that in the "Prefernces" in Lightroom 4 but I can't find Camera Raw to select as the choice.
Soumyadeep: I will be glad to assist you with this.
Soumyadeep: May I have the serial number of the product please?
Fred: I just checked again and it is set to a NIK Software plugin as an external software to open the file.
Fred: Yes, let me get it for you.
Fred: Lightroom version: 4.1 [829322] Operating system: Windows 7 Business Edition Version: 6.1 [7601] Application architecture: x64 System architecture: x64 Physical processor count: 2 Processor speed: 2.1 GHz Built-in memory: 8123.8 MB Real memory available to Lightroom: 8123.8 MB Real memory used by Lightroom: 1687.3 MB (20.7%) Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 1657.0 MB Memory cache size: 1194.5 MB System DPI setting: 96 DPI Desktop composition enabled: Yes Displays: 1) 1360x768 Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4.1 Library Path: C:\Users\FT\Pictures\Lightroom\Lightroom 4 Catalog.lrcat Settings Folder: C:\Users\FT\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom Adapter #1: Vendor : 8086 Device : 2a42 Subsystem : 145110cf Revision : 7 Video Memory : 32 AudioDeviceIOBlockSize: 1024 AudioDeviceName: Speakers (2- USB Audio) AudioDeviceNumberOfChannels: 2 AudioDeviceSampleRate: 44100 Build: 6.0x552 Direct2DEnabled: false GL_ALPHA_BITS: 8 GL_BLUE_BITS: 8 GL_GREEN_BITS: 8 GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE: 128 GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE: 4096 GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS: 8 GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS: 4096,4096 GL_RED_BITS: 8 GL_RENDERER: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION: 1.20 - Intel Build 8.15.10.1883 GL_VENDOR: Intel GL_VERSION: 2.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.1883 OGLEnabled: true OGLPresent: true GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_ARB_multitexture GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_NV_blend_square GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_3DFX_texture_compression_FXT1 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_window_pos GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_EXT_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_fragment_program GL_EXT_stencil_two_side GL_ATI_separate_stencil GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_ARB_occlusion_query GL_ARB_fragment_shader GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_ARB_point_sprite GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_ARB_depth_texture GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_draw_buffers GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object GL_WIN_swap_hint GL_EXT_framebuffer_object GL_EXT_texture_sRGB GL_ARB_color_buffer_float GL_ARB_half_float_pixel GL_ARB_texture_float GL_NV_conditional_render GL_EXT_texture_swizzle
Fred: Just a second. No serial number is given in System Information.
Soumyadeep: I am sorry to inform you that the serial number will not be available in your system.
Soumyadeep: Fred, I have locate the serial number in your Adobe account.
Fred: Lightroom version: 4.1 [829322] Operating system: Windows 7 Business Edition Version: 6.1 [7601] Application architecture: x64 System architecture: x64 Physical processor count: 2 Processor speed: 2.1 GHz Built-in memory: 8123.8 MB Real memory available to Lightroom: 8123.8 MB Real memory used by Lightroom: 1687.3 MB (20.7%) Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 1657.0 MB Memory cache size: 1194.5 MB System DPI setting: 96 DPI Desktop composition enabled: Yes Displays: 1) 1360x768 Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4.1 Library Path: C:\Users\FT\Pictures\Lightroom\Lightroom 4 Catalog.lrcat Settings Folder: C:\Users\FT\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom Adapter #1: Vendor : 8086 Device : 2a42 Subsystem : 145110cf Revision : 7 Video Memory : 32 AudioDeviceIOBlockSize: 1024 AudioDeviceName: Speakers (2- USB Audio) AudioDeviceNumberOfChannels: 2 AudioDeviceSampleRate: 44100 Build: 6.0x552 Direct2DEnabled: false GL_ALPHA_BITS: 8 GL_BLUE_BITS: 8 GL_GREEN_BITS: 8 GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE: 128 GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE: 4096 GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS: 8 GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS: 4096,4096 GL_RED_BITS: 8 GL_RENDERER: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION: 1.20 - Intel Build 8.15.10.1883 GL_VENDOR: Intel GL_VERSION: 2.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.1883 OGLEnabled: true OGLPresent: true GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_ARB_multitexture GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_NV_blend_square GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_3DFX_texture_compression_FXT1 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_window_pos GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_EXT_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_fragment_program GL_EXT_stencil_two_side GL_ATI_separate_stencil GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_ARB_occlusion_query GL_ARB_fragment_shader GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_ARB_point_sprite GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_ARB_depth_texture GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_draw_buffers GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object GL_WIN_swap_hint GL_EXT_framebuffer_object GL_EXT_texture_sRGB GL_ARB_color_buffer_float GL_ARB_half_float_pixel GL_ARB_texture_float GL_NV_conditional_render GL_EXT_texture_swizzle
Fred: OK, how can I easily get the bloody serial number for you?
Soumyadeep: Fred, I have locate the serial number in your Adobe account.
Soumyadeep: Once you login to the Adobe account, click on "My products" under the "My products and services".
Soumyadeep: There you can locate the serial number which you have registered.
Fred: OK, so you don't need it now. It isn't in a format that I can copy and paste.
Fred: 116040070815784336099081
Soumyadeep: Since it was registered in your Adobe account we can get the information from there.
Soumyadeep: Thank you for the serial number.
Soumyadeep: Fred, I would like to inform you that all the raw edit options you will get in Lightroom develop module.
Fred: I hope I copied it correctly it is presented so small.
Fred: OK, just a second.
Fred: So, I go to "Develop" it will open in Camera Raw 7.01?
Fred: Frankly, this is the reason that I have just been using Bridge is because of the seemingly lack of coherent connection between LightRoom 4 and PhotoShop CS6.
Soumyadeep: I would like to inform you that you will not have any separate camera raw plugins for Lightroom. Since Lightroom will not require a camera raw converter.
Fred: At least I can open into Camera Raw and make the necessary adjustments and it will load in to PhotoShop.
Fred: OK, then why when opening a "RAW" image out of LightRoom does it go directly to CS6 bypassing Camera Raw?
Fred: Not allowing all of the wonderful adjustment toos, particularly the new ones in Camera Raw. I just don't understand the disconnect.
Soumyadeep: Fred, may I know which product you are referring as "CS6"?
Fred: If I had wanted to process all my images in LightRoom I would not have wasted my money on CS6. Does that make sense?
Fred: PhotoShop CS6
Fred: Or PhotoShop 6 Extended
Soumyadeep: Thank you for the information.
Fred: The question still remains "Why does LightRoom 4 only recongize DNG files and not other RAW file formats and not allow them to be opened into Camera Raw?"
Fred: I don't want to process my images in LightRoom 4. I want to catalog and sort them. I want to process the RAW files from Canon in Camera Raw and then move on to PhotoShop 6 Extended.
Fred: So, what you are telling me is that I can't open a RAW file in LightRoom into Camera Raw. Simply stated.
Soumyadeep: Fred, I can understand your concern. Lightroom will not require a camera raw converter.
Soumyadeep: May I have the name of the camera model you are referring?
Fred: Two camera models: EOS 5D Mark II and EOS 60D
Soumyadeep: Please so that I can check further and try to troubleshoot your issue.
Soumyadeep: .Thank you for the information.
Fred: Both are listed as supported by Adobe PhotoShop and Camera Raw. I found that in my research.
Soumyadeep: Okay.
Soumyadeep: Please close all the Adobe applications.
Fred: I simply want to go from LightRoom 4 directly to Camera Raw 7.01 and then onto PhotoShop 6 Extended. Seems pretty straight forward and logical to me. Then again I'm not Adobe.
Fred: OK, just a moment and I'll do that.
Soumyadeep: Click on Start.
Soumyadeep: Fred, may I know what operating system you are using?
Fred: I am working on Windows 7 64 bit operating system.
Fred: I have closed all applications from Adobe.
Soumyadeep: Thank you for the information.
Soumyadeep: Click on Start.
Soumyadeep: Just type %Appdata% in the search box and hit the enter key.
Fred: Ok, Im pretty computer savy so just tell me where you want to go.
Soumyadeep: Double click on Adobe folder.
Fred: Done
Soumyadeep: In that folder you will have a folder CameraRaw. Please rename the folder as CameraRawold.
Fred: Done
Soumyadeep: In that folder you will have a folder Adobe Photoshop CS6. Please rename the folder as Adobe Photoshop CS6old
Soumyadeep: After renaming the images please close the page and try to open a raw file and let me know the exact result.
Fred: Done
Fred: Just a moment. I have renamed CameraRawold and Adobe6Old. i am going to navigate to my external drive and click on a RAW File
Soumyadeep: Okay.
Soumyadeep: Let me know the status.
Fred: It is opening PhotoShop 6 Extended.
Fred: I can change the properties of the file to open in another program if that is where we are going.
Fred: It also created an error that stated that it recognized graphic software that is not completely supported and PhotoShop is not opening normally.
Fred: Given a little more time it opened in Camera Raw.
Soumyadeep: Fred, once more step you need to perform as you got an error regarding graphic software.
Soumyadeep: Please try to work on the Camera Raw and let me know it is working fine or not.
Fred: And I lost my presets.
Fred: OK, where does this leave us?
Fred: With regards to LightRoom 4?
Soumyadeep: Fred, you wanted to open the raw images in Camera raw option instead of Photoshop CS6, right?
Fred: Camera Raw appears to be functiong fine.
Soumyadeep: Great!
Soumyadeep: Please close all the Adobe application.
Soumyadeep: Re launch Photoshop and type CNTRL+ K.
Soumyadeep: Let me know once you are done.
Fred: Checking the "CR2" files out of Canon the dafault to open is with PhotoShop 6
Fred: Ok, let me close all of them.
Fred: OK, closed sir.
Soumyadeep: Please navigate to Performance tab.
Fred: "Performance Tab" in what program?
Soumyadeep: Re launch Photoshop and type CNTRL+ K
Soumyadeep: A new window will pop up "Preference"
Fred: Just a second it is opening. Thanks for help.
Fred: I am now at the Prefernces box. Performance Tab
Soumyadeep: You are welcome.
Soumyadeep: Correct.
Fred: OK, I'm in Preferences
Soumyadeep: Please let me know Use Graphics Processor is checked or unchecked.
Fred: It is checked. I do know that on this machine that the graphics processor is not fully supported due to a lack of a separte video card.
Soumyadeep: Okay. Please do check once that the graphic drives are updated or not.
Soumyadeep: Fred, I hope now your are able to open the raw images in camera raw as you were referring?
Fred: Just a second. Driver software is up to date.
Fred: Let me open LightRoom 4 and see where it goes. Just a second.
Soumyadeep: Sure.
Fred: Lightroom is taking a long time to open now.
Fred: Now I'm getting the message that it is not responding.
Fred: OK, it finally opened. Just a second.
Soumyadeep: Okay.
Soumyadeep: Please let me know the result.
Fred: In light room when I select "Edit In PhotoShop 6" it is going directly to Photoshop 6 and not opening Camera Raw. Still.
Fred: So, my friend. We are still back to the original question and now I have to reload all of my preferences lost due to the change in AppData. LOL!
Fred: I guess I can organize all I ant in LightRoom and still use Bridge to edit and work on my images.
Fred: Sorry! Organize all I want and still edit out of Bridge.
Soumyadeep: Fred, I am sorry to inform you that when you will open the images from Lightroom it will not require the camera raw and also when you will try to open the images in other software from Lightroom it will directly open in that software. Since Lightroom itself works as a Came

Jim, thank you for an excellent responce. I truthfully had researched the "Help" section on LightRoom and PhotoShop and found nothing that even remotely resembled your straight forward and easy to follow directions. After upgrading to CS6 and LightRoom 4 I am delighted with all of the new features that Adobe created in PhotoShop. I'm not sure that LightRoom 4 was as great an advancement as PhotoShop itself.
I am certainly going to give your solution a try and see how it works out for me. I concur that I probably do not fully understand and appreciate the relationship between the two programs. Today was my attempt of gaining a better insight to that relationship. Thank you for your response!

How to open images in Fill Screen mode from Camera Raw

I am using Photoshop CS4 for Windows. I created an action that executes Fit on Screen and set the Scripts Event Manager to execute that action on the Open Document event. This works when opening a document from Photoshop.
Here are my questions:
1) After opening a raw image from Bridge in Camera Raw, when I then open the image in Photoshop, it does not run the Open Document event action to Fit on Screen. What event do I need to set the action to execute on when opening an image from Camera Raw in Photoshop?
2) I added Fit on Screen to the action by selecting Insert Menu Item from the Actions menu and then selecting View-Fit on Screen. I cannot find Fill Screen on any pull-down menu (the button found on the Hand tool bar). How can I insert the Fill Screen item (which fills the screen a little more than Fit on Screen?
3) In the Scripts Events Manager, when you select Add an Event, it says Any scriptable event can be entered here. See the Scripting Reference for the full list of Photoshop event names.. On the following Adobe webpage, I found the Adobe Photoshop CS4 Scripting Guide but I did not find a list of Photoshop event names in that document. Where can I find the list of Photoshop event names?
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/photoshop/scripting
Thanks to anyone who can help me out.

> 3) In the Scripts Events Manager, when you select Add an Event, it says Any scriptable event can be entered here. See the Scripting Reference for the full list of Photoshop event names.. On the following Adobe webpage, I found the Adobe Photoshop CS4 Scripting Guide but I did not find a list of Photoshop event names in that document. Where can I find the list of Photoshop event names?
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See "Appendix A: Event ID Codes" in the PSCS4 JavaScript Reference pdf file that
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What is the difference in PS E12 between 'File Open' and 'File Open in Camera Raw' ?

Both routes launch a screen saying Camera Raw 8.3 - Canon EOS 5D Mark III?
Likewise on this screen there is 'Cancel' and 'Done' Buttons', what is the difference both close that screen.
I am assuming the 'Done' Buttons saves any manipulation of exposure or colours you may have made? and the 'Cancel' just forgets them?
Is there a manual for this product; that one can reference, screen by screen? explaining what each option actually does.

Chucky-Tiger wrote:
Both routes launch a screen saying Camera Raw 8.3 - Canon EOS 5D Mark III?
If you are opening a raw file (.CR2), both routes are identical, because you have to convert raw files in ACR anyway.
If you are opening a jpeg file, you can open the file directly in the Elements Editor (Open),
or
you can open it the the ACR module. The dialog is the same (or nearly) as for raw files, with the same sliders and features, including some you don't find in the editor : clarity, advanced denoising...
There are advantages in opening jpegs in ACR, especially because ACR works internally in 16 bits and in a wider color gamut. Very important for me is the fact that the ACR modules saves its edits as 'recipees' in the metadata section of the jpeg files, without changing any pixel value of the original.
Likewise on this screen there is 'Cancel' and 'Done' Buttons', what is the difference both close that screen.
I am assuming the 'Done' Buttons saves any manipulation of exposure or colours you may have made? and the 'Cancel' just forgets them?
Cancel does cancel every edit you have started. You are back to the original file.
'Done' saves your edits, as you rightly assume.
'Open' saves the edits and send them to the editor for further editing if you want, for local retouch or using layers for instance.
'Alt Open' does not saves the edits, but sends the edited result to the editor.
'Save' is only used if you wish to convert the raw files to the DNG format.

Can't view Camera RAW files in Bridge or Photoshop CS4 after upgrading to Mac Mavericks X OS.

After upgrading my Mac operating system to Mavericks X I can no longer view Camera RAW images on either Bridge or Photoshop CS4!
I'd already fixed the issue of not even being able to launch Photoshop by installing Apple's Java applet, but this doesn't seem to have helped with the Camera RAW situation.
I've tried invoking "Update" in both Bridge and Photoshop, and both indicate there are no updates.
I even went to Adobe's Camera RAW area, and downloaded and installed the Camera RAW plugin specifically for my cameras (Canon 5D Mk ii) and Photoshop CS4, and that hasn't helped at all!
I feel that it's just another silly Java applet, but I haven't any idea how to proceed from here!
HELP!
Thank you,
Bob

Did you download and install the camera raw 5.7 update?
Adobe - Photoshop : For Macintosh : Camera Raw 5.7 update
There are also other updates you should install, such as 11.0.2 for photoshop and the bridge output module update, if you need them.
Product updates
Adobe - Bridge : For Macintosh
Adobe - Creative Suite : For Macintosh
Adobe - Photoshop : For Macintosh

Invoking Photoshop CS5 from Lightroom 4 asks for Camera Raw Plug-in 7.0

I have just downloaded and installed Adobe Lightroom 4.0. When I try to invoke "Photo / Edit in Photoshop CS 5.1" I get the warning "This version of Lightroom may require the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in version 7.0 for full compatibility. Please update the camera raw plug-in using the update tool available in the Photoshop help menu". However, the update function in Photoshop CS5.1 says that there are no updates available and searching adobe.com I can find no references to Camera Raw plug-in 7.0. What is one to do? Thanks.

No, the warning is not the issue. As I've said, "supported cameras" are not the problem.
I do initial processing on my images, then using Lightroom CMD E push them to Photoshop for further editing. The message says "7.0 may be required for full compatibility" should I ignore that warning and click "Open Anyway" because there really aren't any compatibility issues?
LR 4 Develop module is much different than LR 3, just as CS5 version of ACR is different than what I've seen in the CS6 beta. My assumption is there would be compatibility issues - as the warning says - when using LR4's develop engine then passing it on to CS5. I don't use ACR in Photoshop since I use Lightroom, I use Photoshop for detailed image editing in conjunction with the Nik Software selective tool run as a window within Photoshop.
So how about a clear answer: Just click "Open Anyway" and everything will work great? When I first work on an image in LR4, then further edit it in Photoshop CS5 with ACR 6.7 installed, Save and Close the image in Photoshop sending it back to Lightroom it will all work just like yesterday when I did all that in Lightroom 3 without any error messages?

Bridge CS4 looses my labels and ratings if edited in Camera RAW

Hi there. This is my first post here, so please forgive me if I make any errors of normal posting procedure. I'm hoping someone might be able to identify this problem please.
I am using Bridge CS4 v.3.0.0.464 and Photoshop CS4 v.11.0 and Camera RAW 5.0.0.178
On Windows Vista Home Premium 64 Bit service pack 2, and working mainly with jpg files from a Nikon D300s
I've noticed recently the following behaviour. If I label and/or rate some photos in Bridge, and then open those photos via Camera RAW, and then make adjustments to those photos in Camera RAW and open them directly from there into Photoshop, then the original file in Bridge looses all it's rating and label info, and shows a new modified date and time as of that moment.
This only seems to happen if I actually edit the photo in Camera RAW, I do not ask to save it (and remember these are JPG files so as I understand it any changes in Camera RAW would not be saved unless I ask to resave the file itself) but to open it directly into Photoshop (and I then save the finished work as a copy to a different place from Photoshop) but the act of making an edit in Camera RAW seems to affect the original file settings in some way, and that looses the labelling etc.
However, just a couple of days ago something even odder happened. I opened Bridge, navigated to a recent (and recently labelled) folder to browse some photos (at this point I had not opened either Camera RAW or Photoshop and was not doing editing of any sort). When I got to the folder I wanted and Bridge started to display the thumbnails, I immediately heard my hard drive working very hard, and watched as over the course of a few seconds all my labels, ratings etc, were erased from the files in that folder, you could actually see it happening in real time in the filter pane as the number of red-labelled photos counted down from 30 to 0, and the modified dates for those 30 shifted from two days before to the current time/date. it only happened for the labelled and/or rated photos, the others remained unchanged, with their modified dates still the same as when I created the folder a few days before. This has so far happened to me just once, a couple of days ago, it was as if Bridge was somehow refreshing a cache or something, and that caused it to to clear all the changes I had made.
Anyway, I couldn't really find any reference online or on these forums to that specific behaviour. After reading some slightly similar problems online I tried a few changes to settings. Allowing Bridge to automatically export the cache to folders where possible, and making sure that the main Adobe cache location is writable (not read only) in windows folder settings. However, although I have not yet had a repeat of the weird incident above, that hadn't happened before either so I cant really claim that I've cured it. But moreover the issue of loosing labels/rating when editing with Camera RAW still persists consistantly even after those changes, so that is definitely still a problem
Can anyone shed any light please? if it's a known problem, a flaw, or maybe (hopefully) can be sorted with some settings that I have missed.
Thanks for any help
Best regards
Will

Welcome to the froum. Your submittal was great.
I don't know if this will fix your problems, but you need to update to the current versions and see where that takes you. Click on Downloads/updates at top of page.
You have Bridge CS4 v.3.0.0.464 and Photoshop CS4 v.11.0 and Camera RAW 5.0.0.178. Don't know what current version of Bridge is, but you need PS v. 11.0.1 which fixed a number of mistakes. Also, the current RAW is 5.6 I believe. I am still on CS3.
eatfirst wrote:
This only seems to happen if I actually edit the photo in Camera RAW, I do not ask to save it (and remember these are JPG files so as I understand it any changes in Camera RAW would not be saved unless I ask to resave the file itself) but to open it directly into Photoshop (and I then save the finished work as a copy to a different place from Photoshop) but the act of making an edit in Camera RAW seems to affect the original file settings in some way, and that looses the labelling etc.
Edits, keywords, and rating can be stored in the XMP file. This has the same name as the file and needs to move with the file or you will loose info. If you move or rename the file, and don't use Bridge, this file could be left behind. You can see this file in Bridge, if you have show hidden files clicked in View. You can look at it in Windows Explorer if you have "show hidden files".
Check to see if you have an XMP file in the new location. If not then do you workflow in stages and see if you have an XMP file after edits before you save it to another location.
Hope this helps.

I can't open Camera Raw from Bridge

Why is it that I can not open CR from Bridge. I can see it in Plug ins. I don't see any reference to CR in Preferences. Why is that?

What version of photoshop and operating system are you using?
What kind of file do you want to open in camera raw?
If you right click on a camera raw file thumbnail in Bridge, do you see Open in Camera Raw?

Solution for the Camera Raw 8.2 update installation problem

Hi.
Adobe Camera Raw 8.2 for CC & CS6 was released two months ago.
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/09/camera-raw-8-2-and-dng-converter-8-2-now-a vailable.html
But many people got problem in updating Camera Raw 8.2.
I tried to inspect the update application and simply found a workaround.
Adobe Camera Raw 8.2 for CC & CS6
Unzip and replace "Camera Raw.8bi" in the file formats plugin folder.
For Windows 7 ~ 8.1, the path is "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins" => "CC\File Formats" or "CS6\File Formats"
CC & CS6 x64 .7z (13,088KB) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwCp0TDkNkHYVUZzSlpKenNSajQ
CC & CS6 x64 zip (14,962KB) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwCp0TDkNkHYUW9zeVNLMXJIRFU
CC & CS6 x86 .7z (12,633KB) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwCp0TDkNkHYNU5GTEhZbmF5eGc
CC & CS6 x86 zip (14,254KB) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwCp0TDkNkHYeE1PRThIejQyTDg
* Extracted from http://swupdl.adobe.com/updates/oobe/aam20/win/PhotoshopCameraRaw8-8.0/8.2.67/setup.zip
Adobe Camera Raw 8.2 Camera & Lens Profiles for CC
Unzip files in CameraRaw application folder.
For Windows 7 ~ 8.1, the path is "C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw".
.7z (12,387KB) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwCp0TDkNkHYdWFyZXRwNG1XeUk
zip (17,830KB) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwCp0TDkNkHYdl82bzluSnNCSU0
* Extracted from http://swupdl.adobe.com/updates/oobe/aam20/win/PhotoshopCameraRaw8-8.0/8.2.67/setup.zip
Hope this is helpful.
Thanks.
New Camera Support in Camera Raw 8.2
Canon EOS 70D
Canon PowerShot G16
Canon PowerShot S120
Casio Exilim EX-ZR800
Fujifilm FinePix HS22EXR
Fujifilm FinePix HS35EXR
Fujifilm FinePix S205EXR
Fujifilm X-M1
Leica C (Typ 112)
Olympus E-M1
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ70
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ72
Pentax Q7
Pentax K-50
Pentax K-500
Sony DSC-RX100 II
Sony A3000 (ILCE-3000)
Sony NEX-5T
New Lens Profile Support in Camera Raw 8.2
Sony E 35mm F1.8 OSS
Hasselblad LF16mm F2.8
Hasselblad LF18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS
Hasselblad LF18-200mm F3.5-6.3 OSS
GoPro Hero 3 Black Edition
GoPro Hero 3 Silver Edition
GoPro Hero 3 White Edition
Leica TRI-ELMAR-M 16-18-21 mm f/4 ASPH.
SIGMA 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM A013
SIGMA 120-300mm F2.8 DG OS HSM S013
SIGMA 30mm F1.4 DC HSM A013
SIGMA 60mm F2.8 DN A013
SIGMA 17-70mm F2.8-4 DC MACRO OS HSM C013
SIGMA 35mm F1.4 DG HSM A012
Nikon 1 NIKKOR 32mm f/1.2
Sony DSC-RX1R

Interesting. How much is accomplished in the 8bi file without reference to camera-specific profiles? There are some camera profiles that appear to have been added in acr updates. for example there is a folder <Canon EOS 70D> in <C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Camera> (win 7) that contains five profiles (Faithful, Landscape, Neutral, Portrait and Standard). Would acr be able to process 70D raw image files without these profile files?

+ Camera Raw Feature Requests +

UPDATE:
We're interested in what changes you would like see in our products. Do you have an idea for a feature that would help your workflow? Is there a small change that could be made to make your life a little easier? Let us know! Share an Idea, Ask a Question or Report a Problem and get feedback from the Product Development Team and other passionate users on the Photoshop Family product Feedback Site on Photoshop.com.
In future it would helpful if you could use this thread as a means to add
"Features" that you would like to see in future releases of Adobe Camera Raw.
Please do NOT create additional new Topics and try not to duplicate requests by other users. Also, be thorough in your description of the feature and why you think Adobe should consider it.
Oh, and if you find it necessary to comment on someone's feature request/suggestion, try not to get into a shouting match. The penalty for doing so is...
b If you're asking that a particular camera is supported in a future release or just taking the opportunity to carp that yours isn't then please do so in another thread!
IanLyons
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Here's my wishlist for ACR. I'll list the feature first and then in a separate section afterwards, I'll explain why I want it.
1) Shadow/Highlights
2) Multi-instance and modeless behavior for ACR so I can truly have ACR open, Bridge open, PS open and work in all three and even open another ACR window.
3) The ability to open one image into PS and keep the rest going in ACR when you have multiple images open in ACR.
4) The point locator feature for curves like curves has in PS so you can find out what tone area on the curve a given area in the photo is, just by clicking/dragging over an area on the photo.
5) White balance assist to make it easier to get skin tones right when there are no good grayscale references in the photo.
6) An ACR pref to have a suffix automatically added to each filename when it goes into PS so after editing it in PS, I can just hit Ctrl-S and not have to manually add a suffix onto every single image I edit in CS.
7) A drag/drop bin for recently used saved settings in ACR and shortcut keys for cycling through a preview of those settings (described in more detail below).
8) A pref to allow the Save Images folder in the Save dialog in ACR to default to the directory of the RAW files rather than the last directory used.
9) More sophisticated sharpening in ACR (like smart sharpening).
10) Ability to set label or rating when only one image open in ACR.
11) Ability to delete and close when only one image open in ACR.
12) An easier way to see how a rotated image looks. There is no way in ACR to see the straight version of an image you've rotated slightly.
13) Shortcut keys to cycle through saved curve settings.
Here's the explanation for why I want each of these:
1) Shadow/Highlights. A significant percentage of my images need no other adjustments in PS except shadow/highlights and it's a big workflow savings to be able to finish a picture in ACR instead of having to take it into PS.
2) Multi-instance and modeless. The CS2 behavior is better than it was before because you can set it up for Bridge to host ACR and still be able to use PS. But, I often open many images in ACR and the current design still forces me to serially finish all those images in ACR before I do anything else becuase I'm blocked from going back to either Bridge or PS (depending upon who's hosting ACR) and I can't open any other images in ACR. This forces a serial workflow when sometimes I'd like to be able to be in the middle of one workflow (a hundred images open in ACR), but go do something else in Bridge and PS for a short period of time. I can't do that today.
3) The ability to open one image from ACR into PS while keeping the other images in ACR. When I see the preview in ACR, this is often the first time I've seen my images at any decent size. I often find I want to take a few into PS just to see how well they fix up with certain changes or to see if they benefit from things I can do in PS and can't in ACR, without discarding all the other images I have in ACR at the time. So, again, I am forced to serially finish all the image I have in ACR before I can take any into PS. I'd like to be able to open the selected images in PS and keep the others in ACR.
4) The point locator feature that PS has in the curves dialog is very valuable for finding out where on the curve a given feature in the photo is. I'd like that feature in the PS curves.
5) White balance assist for skin tones. One of the hardest things in ACR is getting the white balance right for skin tones when there is no easy gray reference in the photo. I don't know how it would work (I think this is an area for your invention and cleverness), but I'd like some sort of white balance assist that helps me pick a white balance that leads to a pleasing skin tone. I'd be willing to tell ACR where the skin tone is by pointing at it.
6) I add a suffix of "-edited" to ALL images that I open in PS from ACR. That means I have to type that suffix on every image when I hit the Save command in PS. I'd like a preference in ACR to automatically append a suffix onto the filename when it goes into PS to save me that typing on every single image. I've even tried to figure out if I could write a script in PS to do this for me (if file extension is a RAW file extension when user hits save, then add default suffix to the filename before Save dialog comes up), but I haven't figured out whether it can be done via script or not. I know that others save their PSD or JPEG files to a different directory than their RAW files (I keep all of mine in the same directory so this isn't an issue for me), so I imagine they'd like the ability to specify a default relative path also to save having to point every PSD they save in PS to a new directory.
7) Drag/drop bin for RAW settings. In a workflow of processing 200-800 RAW files, I'd like the ability to easily and temporarily save a small number of RAW file settings (10 would do). I know you can do it in the pull right menu in ACR today, but that's too much typing and clicks to make it worth it. I'm looking for something that allows me to pick a bunch of files from a shoot, identify a representative "sunny" shot and drop it's settings into a bin that I quickly label sunny. Then, when other sunny shots come up, rather than having to scroll around to find that image or go back to bridge to find that image, I just drag it out of the bin an drop it on the selected images. I don't want it to persist globally because then they pile up and I have to clean them up. I do need them to persist between ACR sessions as long as Bridge or PS is still running because I often process my RAW files in many ACR sessions. The whole point is to make an easy place for me to deposit a small number of saved settings so I can easily (very few mouse clicks or keystores) use them again while processing the same shoot. It's all about speeding up the workflow and letting me re-use work I've done earlier in the workflow. In my experience, this happens most often for white balance and curves since I'm more likely to tweak exposure on nearly every shot anyway.
8) When I hit Save Images in ACR, it remembers the previously set directory. In my workflow, I want it to default to the directory of the first image I'm saving. The way it is now, it is NEVER the right directory so I always have to change it. It could be smart enough so my normal workflow never has to change it. Even better, I'd get to set a pref that was a relative path from where the first image is located. So, when I'm saving JPEGs, I could have a default path of ./JPEG (a sub-directory under where the RAW files are located). Other people would want ../JPEG (a sub-directory at the same level as where the RAW files are stored).
9) In the spirit of getting as much of my work done in ACR as possible, I'd like to see a unification of the sharpening functionality so that ACR can do smart sharpening with all the same features. That would again keep many of my images out of PS and drastically improve my workflow.
10) I'd like the ability to set a label or rating when there's only one image open in ACR. Because you can do this when you have multiple images open in ACR, I'm programmed to set this in ACR, but that workflow programming is busted when I only have one image open.
11) I'd like the ability to delete an image from ACR when there's only one image open in ACR. Just like with labels and ratings described above, I'm programmed to want to delete a ruined image when I see it up close in ACR and determine it's no good. In this case, I think I'd like to just hit the trash can icon and have the ACR window close and have the image deleted in one single step.
12) When I straighten an image in ACR, there's no good way to see how the rotated version looks at full size. All you get to see is a thumb in ACR (if you have multiple images open) or a thumb in Bridge. To see whether it rea

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Please Advise and Thanks

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I have just downloaded camera raw 5.4. It's been put into the correct folder as recommended but it is not showing in CS4 camera raw.
Camera raw is still showing the 4.4 version.Can anyone tell me how I get the 5.4 version from it's folder to show in CS4 camera raw.
Your help would be greatly appreciated.
John

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For instance, Photoshop reports my ACR as 5.5RC and ACR reports ACR 4.4 in camera calibration. Nevertheless I am running 5.5RC when I run ACR.
Hope that helps...
Anthony.

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Photoshop Camera Raw 8.7(CS6)
There was an error downloading this update. Please quit and try again later. Error Code: U43M1D207

Please try this: Re: error code U43M1D207
I actually didn't know what this meant.
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Gene
(If anyone's answer does solve your issue, please mark it "correct" to close the case.)

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When I click on about plug in--camera raw it says version 7.4.0.137. Is that the latest version for PSE 11. I have version 8.2 of the DNG loaded. I have a canon 60D and a 70D. Do I have to continue converting to DNG before I can open camera raw files? If Iupgraded to PSE12 would this solve the problem so I do not have to convert to dng before doing edits.

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You need ACR 8.2 or higher to work with the 70D so need PSE12 or DNGC 8.2.
PSE13 probably ships in about a month, if things continue as they have the last few years.
References:
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html
http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop_Elements

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According to the help node with the above subject, one can embed profiles into TIFF, JPEG, PSD and DNG files and select them within Camera Raw 4.
I can assign profiles to all excepto DNG files, since DNG files cannot be saved and thus cannot be persistently be assigned a profile (say created with ColorEyes 20/20 camera profiler software). How then can I assign a profile to a raw image? Is the help incorrect or mis-written?
Thanks,
Juan Dent

Changes introduced with DNG version 1.1.0.0 included new tags AsShotICCProfile (+ AsShotPreProfileMatrix) and CurrentICCProfile (+ CurrentPreProfileMatrix).
If a camera or editor uses these, are the ColorMatrix1 (and if required ColorMatrix2) tags required to be present anyone, for example for ACR to use, while these xICCProfile tags are an optional alternative? How does it all fit together?
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"The ICC profile connection space is an output referred colorimetric space, whereas the other color calibration tags in DNG specify a conversion into a scene referred colorimetric space. This means that the rendering in this profile should include any desired tone and gamut mapping needed to convert between scene referred values and output referred values.
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CurrentICCProfile:
"This tag is used in conjunction with the CurrentPreProfileMatrix tag.
"The CurrentICCProfile and CurrentPreProfileMatrix tags have the same purpose and usage as the AsShotICCProfile and AsShotPreProfileMatrix tag pair, except they are for use by raw file editors rather than camera manufacturers".

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