Camera Raw / smart object ?

Using CS3 / CR / Bridge
Scenario:
I've shot 500 wedding images, sorted & edited them in Bridge. Now I'll look at each one in camera raw (in Bridge) and make any needed adjustments. I use CR and adjust / sync as many similar files as I can; zipping thru the 500 images quickly and save without opening, then in Bridge > Tools > Photoshop > Image Processor, I use the image processor to process all the 500 images (while I sleep), and save as tiff or psd. I set the CR options to process as a Smart Object. But the files don't process a SO.
Question:
Is there a way to process /batch process the 500 images and have them saved so later when I open them, they open as smart objects. I only fine tune the client "Picks" as they don't order all the 500 images shot. Now if I want to alter the color balance, exposure, etc., I can double click the smart object, go back into camera raw and make any adjustments/ refinements, click OK and it updates the file. This mantain's a higher integrity of the file.
In CR I know I can check the box "open as a smart object", but that only seems to apply if I immediately open the file (or files) and then save them. It is not practical or feasible to select 500 files, open and save them at one time. If I save the Raw file(s) to open later, (as in my above workflow) then it will not open as a smart object.
Another way to ask this question:
Why can't I use the Image Processor in Bridge / CR to process my 500 CR files as Smart Objects?
When in CR I can set the options to process as a SO, but that only will process the open file(s) in CR as SO. Not practical to process 500 files.
I checked on the Adobe Exchange but did not find any scripts or actions that would facilitate this.
Does anyone know if what I'm trying to do is possible and how?
Thanks,
JeffN

In an effort to keep this question / answer current, (this question is on listed on two forums) here is an answer from Jeff Schewe from the Photoshop > Mac forum.
31. Jul 29, 2010 3:58 PM in response to: Jeff_N
Re: Camera Raw / smart object ?
Jeff_N wrote:
Jeff S
Any thoughts, suggestions, or can this not be done.
I'm pretty sure it's a bug....when recording the action in CS5, if you change the Workflow Options to open as a Smart Object, ALL the settings are hardcoded into the recorded Open action step. This is wrong...if you open an image and change the Workflow OPtions but DON'T try to open as a Smart Object, the Open action is recorded correctly–only the Workflow Options are recorded and when processed the files properly retain their individual original settings. So, the act of changing the Workflow Options to make a Smart Object is incorrectly hard coding the settings in.

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Jason Replica wrote:
Situation 2 - Current Situation
We have Photoshop and compatible versions of Camera Raw and Lightroom installed.
I can open a raw image from Lightroom into Photoshop using the "Open in Photoshop as Smart Object" option.
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Jason Replica wrote:
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We have Photoshop and Lightroom installed.
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Ignoring the economics of having to update Photoshop as I know Adobe (and probably Jeff as well ) would like us all to be running the latest version of Photoshop and payout for the updates as soon as they come around, I would think this would be a more sensible option for the future as it would allow more people to keep their existing version of Photoshop, which they've tweaked, wrote actions for and is working very nicely at the moment thankyou while exploring the benefits of the new-and-improved Lightroom.
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