Can 802.11g upgrade to 802.11n

i have an older airport basestation (domed top) plus two airport express units that operate on 802.11g.
can they be upgraded to work with my newer 802.11n equipment?

Sorry, but no. Complete internal hardware changes would need to be made to the older Express device....which is not possible.

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Can I force 802.11g instead of 802.11n?

A coffeehouse I frequent seems to have buggy 802.11n wifi -- I can't maintain a connection with my MacBook Pro, while my friend's iBook G4 has no problems with its 802.11g card.
So...
Is there a way to force my MBP to connect using G instead of N? This is a case where I can't reconfigure the router itself, so it's either force a G connection or frequent a different coffeehouse.

I bought Linksys wireless vs. paying for Apple's and they have a mode to select, e.g. lock out other protocols. You'd think Apple would too.
Here's a cheap and easy way as well - use a Linksys WRT54G router as a WAP set in G only. Connect it to your router with a cable and set it in a location ideally even closer to where you get the dropouts and it will act as a WAP vs. a router. Cheaper than actually buying Linksys' own WAP.
Simple to do - connect via ordinary cable to a port on the Linksys NOT the WAN port, set a static IP on it outside the range of the DHCP addresses assigned by your router and disable DHCP on the Linksys. It then becomes a WAP. Great way to extend networks and in your case to have a WAP forced to 802.11G. There is a setting for that - from B/G mixed to G only. $50 and a few minutes to set up. Yuo set up a separate SSID and password for WPA-2 and select it with your MBP.

S8-50 Tablet connects only to 802.11g networks not 802.11n

My S8-50 table will only connect at 802.11g speeds to any wi-fi network. I tested this with multiple routers and the tablet will not connect at all if the router is set to 802.11n only mode. The wi-fi networks were using WPA2 AES/CCMP at the authentication method. The S8-50 wi-if adapter is listed as 802.11bgn so it should connect at 11n. Has anyone else run into this issue and is there a way to fix it?

If you are referring to the fact that it's not connecting to a 5GHz network it won't as the WiFi module is not a DUAL one ... It will connect to bgn networks but only in 2.4 GHz band.

Pb G4 titanium 1ghz 15" - 802.11g upgrade?

is there a way to upgrade to a 802.11g wifi connection from 802.11b which is currently the classic airport card?

I purchased a Sonnet Aria Extreme card (802.11g) a bit over a week ago. It's much faster than the original (802.11b) AirPort card. The range is not always as great but it's adequate for my use. Speed decreases when the signal is weaker, but never slower than the original card. I purchased it based upon reading this forum. I only wish I'd done it sooner. One of the pleasant surprises was that I did not have to remove my original AirPort card in order to use it. The instructions for the MacWireless cards indicate that you need to remove the AirPort card but the Sonnet instructions indicate that the card overrides the AirPort card.
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Video Streaming Performance : 802.11G vs. 802.11N

Setup: 1TB m4v's - Mac Pro - Airport Express G - ATV2
I'm trying to stream m4v video from my Mac Pro to ATV2, and although it works, loading video sometimes takes a while. All m4v's are between 800MB - 2GB. The Mac Pro & ATV2 are both N-ready, but my Express is G.
My question: Would getting either a Express/Extreme N deliver a real-world advantage with regard to local video streaming?

My current setup includes an Airport Express G. So wireless. I don't have a problem, everything works just fine.
The speed of both G/N is clear: 54mbps/108mbps.
The ATV2 question is: Does anyone have any real-world local video streaming experience with both G/N, and if so: *is there a real-world loading time advantage when using N over G?*

Range Extender 802.11g vs. 802.11n

Hi all,
I have a new Airport Extreme base station and use an old Airport Express as a range extender. The problem is it's pretty weak and barely gets signal to the room I need it in.
Does the new "n" version of Airport Express have more range, that is, if I replace the old one with a new "n" version in the same place, will I have stronger signal?
Thanks!

I ordered the new "n" A Exp, and the short answer is that it does not offer any additional range as an extender than the g version does. So, caveat emptor. The signal and performance was exactly the same with either model.
One item to note that Apple does not make very obvious is that the set up process is much different with an "n" network than a "g" network. In short, with an "n" network there is no need to go through all of the WDS stuff, just click the box that says "allow network to be extended" on the main station.
I was able to make use of the new A Exp to create a second wireless network plugged into ethernet in a different part of the house. This at least gives me full coverage by selecting whichever network has stronger signal in which room I'm in.

Can old 11g AX join onto 11n Time Capsule network?

Hi everyone,
I originally posted this up in April, but got no responses. If someone knows the answer to this question I'd be grateful as my decision to purchase a TC is dependent on it! I'd posted this up on the TC forum as well - sorry for 'doubling-up,' but would really appreciate some advice!
Glossary:
TC - Time Capsule
AEX - Airport Express
My current set-up:
Billion ADSL2+ modem & 11g wireless router (I got this from my ISP, and will be keeping it because I use its voIP capabilities)
2 x 11g AirPort Expresses which I join onto the current 11g network - I only use these for the AirTunes feature
2 MacBook Pro's
1 MacMini
Scenario:
I figure when I get a 1TB TC I'll plug it into the router & use it to set up a new 11n wireless network. _**Will I still be able to use my old 11g AEX's to join onto the new 11n network so I can continue to use AirTunes? Or will I have to replace all my old 11g AEX's with the new model that support 11n?**_
On top of the additional expenses of having to buy new 11n AEX's, it'll be a pity of have to throw out relatively new and perfectly working 11g AEX's
Before we get even that far, I wonder if anyone has experience with using TC with a Billion modem/router? (I will turn the Wifi function on the Billion off of course). I have come across a couple of discussion threads where people described difficulty getting the TC to work with some routers.
Any input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Leo

So just to clarify, if I had this dual-band set-up, my 2 MacBook Pros & to-be-acquired Time Capsule could work off the 11n network, and my 11g AEX's & Mac Mini could work off the 11g network (from my original router)?
Yes, that is correct.
And I would actually be setting up 2 network names (1 x 5G & 1 x 2.4G) for the 1 same network?
Correct again.
Would the network speed be different if I set the TC up as '11n 5G only,' compared with '11n, b/g-supported?' I'd only be using Time Machine on my MacBook Pro (my work computer), so I'd like its network to be as fast as possible.
Yes, operating in the 5 GHz wide-band radio mode, your TC would be capable of obtaining bandwidth speeds up to 300 Mbps. In the 2.5 GHz band, it would be roughly half that. Actual throughput for both of these will be lower as this measure would also take into account distance and any Wi-Fi interference.
And one last question, would the Mac Mini have any problems accessing and writing data onto the TC, since it'll have to access TC through a bridged 11g network? (As opposed directly accessing the TC 11n network).
It shouldn't as all devices connected to either network would be able to "see" each other, and as long as those devices are properly configured to share, gaining access to them shouldn't be a problem either.

Extending an extreme dual band network using an old Express (802.11g)s

Previously I had a 802.11g home network based on two Airport Express (old version) in WDS mode.
I've installed a new Airport extreme station in order to have a dual-band network to use 802.11g/n without loosing performance and hoping to cover my area with the enhanced power.
Unfortunately there are still some corners with insufficient signal so i tried to extend the 802.11g segment with the old airport, checking the extreme flag to allow the network to be expanded and manually configuring the express WDS page.
I payed attention to the channel (the same in extreme and express station) and configured the airport ID of the extreme base station in the express remote station.

When using WDS you automatically reduce the efficiency of the Airport Extreme's 802.11n extended features. WDS requires that the network drops to 802.11g instead of 802.11n which boasts the extended network range.
There isn't much more you could do for network range other than changing the channel to remove wireless interference or move the Airport Expresses closer to the areas of low signal (internet speed will be reduced the farther the Expresses are from the main base.)

Step-by-step guide to upgrading a MacBook Core Duo from 802.11g to 802.11n.

Hardmac.com has post a step-by-step guide on how to upgrading a MacBook Core Duo from 802.11g to 802.11n using an 802.11n card from the Mac Pro desktop. The upgrade was also tested and confirmed to work with the AirPort Extreme 802.11n at 802.11n speed.
There is no reason that a similar upgrade shouldn't also work with the MacBook Pro.
http://www.hardmac.com/articles/71/

Hardmac.com has post a step-by-step guide on how to
upgrading a MacBook Core Duo from 802.11g to 802.11n
using an 802.11n card from the Mac Pro desktop. The
upgrade was also tested and confirmed to work with
the AirPort Extreme 802.11n at 802.11n speed.
There is no reason that a similar upgrade shouldn't
also work with the MacBook Pro.
http://www.hardmac.com/articles/71/
Gino,
Interesting how the Apple 802.11n Enabler installed on the MacBook with no problems using the CD that comes with the AirPort Express.
I must try that.
Thanks for the post!
William

Can I use an airport express to extend a Cisco E4200 802.11n or 802.11g wireless network?

Can I use an Airport Express to extend a Cisco E4200 802.11n or 802.11g wireless network? I'd like to improve access in a dead spot with an airport express. I know I can connect this wayt for airplay, but how about extending the signal?
Thx! ACB

Apple's "extend a wireless network" function appears to be a proprietary feature that works only with other Apple AirPort routers. As far as we know, this feature is not compatible with devices from other manufacturers.
It would be extremely unlikely that the Express could do what you want, but some things are never known until you try.

HT4262 Can I extend a WiFi Network, using a 802.11n Airport Base Station with a 802.11g Airport Express?

Having a new Apple AirPort Extreme (802.11n) I need to extend the network since even the AirPort Extreme provides after about 30 Feet maximum only 50% signal strength in 2.4 GHz and maximum 41% signal strength in the 5 GHz band.
I have an Apple Airport Express (802.11g) but I am not sure that it can extend with it the network to get a better signal strength?
I know I can only use the Apple Airport Utility 5.6 to access the AirPort Express, but I can see also the AirPort Extreme though it (5.6).
Also, it seems that my "old" Wireless Motorola Cable Modem (SBG900) for the same distance (about 30 Feet), which is a 802.11g, gives still a better signal strength (62%) than the Apple Airport Extreme...
I guess I need the proper instructions how to, if it is possible.
Any intelligent answers available? Thanks.

This is very confusing. The AirPort Express Base Station has three settings (under "Wireless" in the AirpPort Utility 5.6) "Create a wireless Network", "Participate in a WDS network" and "Join a wireless network".
Whereas the first is self-explanatory the second and third seem to indicate, that a relation with an existing Network can be created. This is also indicated, when selecting as the "Wireless Mode:" "Join a wireless network" and then selecting "Wireless Network Name:" where then all available networks 802.11 b/g/n pop up you can choose which to use.
Now, it does not make any sense, that if all these settings and selections are available, that the AirPort Express cannot extend an existing network, considering that the AirPort Extreme, which is a 802.11b/g/n can be connected to. Even the AirPort Utility 6.0 sees the AirPort Express 802.11b/g but when selected alerts that "This version of AirPort Utility doesn't support this base station. Use AirPort Utility 5.6 to configure or manage this base station. AirPort Utility 5.6 is available at AirPort Service and Support." And as said, that AirPort Utility 5.6 sees everything and has said setting options.
The way as I see this it is, that if I can pickup an existing network, created with an AirPort Extreme 802.11b/g/n with an AirPort Express 802.11b/g and have the option to "Join a wireless network" such AirPort Express should be able to broadcast the picked up and joint network. Otherwise the setting options for the AirPort Express are nothing else than a distortion of reality to me.
Also, before I got the new AirPort Extreme 802.11b/g/n I had an AirPort Extreme Base Station 802.11b/g (gray) and there I was able to extend the network via the AirPort Express 802.11b/g.
So the above comments do not make sense to me.
Hope you understand that and have a better explanation available.

Upgrading From 802.11g To 802.11n.

I have an Intel 24" iMac which I understand is compatible with wi-fi standard 802.11n. I have paid £1.25 and downloaded the 802.11n update from Apple.
However, my router is a Netgear DG834G which, I understand, is only compatible with 802.11g.
Would I notice any benefit if I upgraded my router to a Netgear DG834N or is there a better alternative?

I think (and stand to be corrected) that upgrading your router and Mac to be 802.11n compatible would make very little difference to your experience with the internet or downloading from the web.
Where it would (theoretically) make a difference is if your wireless network between your equipment at home were all 802.11n compatible then transfer speeds between those (again theoretically) would be quicker (for e.g. Mac-to-Mac or, Mac-to-AppleTV over a wireless network)
Luke (please someone correct me if I'm wrong!)

How can I tell if the connection us 802.11g or 802.11n?

G'day people
I bought a new Time Capsule today and just installed it. Both my iMac and MacBook are backing-up with Time Machine to the Time Capsule; that's great.
I also have an AppleTV and a TiVo set-top-box connected. I want to confirm that the iMac, MacBook and AppleTV are connected to the Time Capsule via 802.11n and the TiVo is connected as 802.11g.
Is there anything I can look up on both computers to confirm 802.11n connection?
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Hold "option" and click the airport icon in
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s

Airport Drives Me CRAZY! New 802.11n Network Slower Than Old 802.11g/b

I've been using Macs since 1988 and consider myself an advanced user. However, every time I setup a new Airport wireless network or re-configure an existing one, I feel like a helpless newbie trying to figure out how to open a folder on my desktop. No matter how many times I read the manual or the help files or these forums, I can never grasp what seems like it should be a simple path from A to B to C.
Anyway, here's my current situation: I've been successfully (I think) running a 6 year old AP Extreme Base Station [AE] (in my home office addition) and 2 Airport Expresses [AX] (one AX roughly 15 feet from the base station--through sheetrock, and the second AX roughly 30 feet from the first AX--through sheetrock and some wooden stairs. (so roughly 45 feet from AE to 2nd AX). It wasn't the speediest thing going but it did the trick with older Macs.
I recently bought a MacBook Pro which supports 802.11n. I most often use this laptop at the point in the house furthest away from the AE (Base Station) The AE (Base Station) is in my home office connected to my MacPro desktop (see #1 below). In addition, the family iMac is also in that room furthest from the AE. Using the new MacBook Pro with the old 802.11/g/b network turned out to be painfully slow. I was experiencing the same slow network connection my family has complained about for years with their older Macs and 802.11g/b.
I decided it was time to upgrade the whole network, if only to speed up my MacBook Pro connection. Bought new 802.11n Airport Extreme (MC340LL/A) and 2 new 802.11n Airport Expresses (MB321LL/A). Setup did not go smoothly. Again, my normally competent Mac persona was reduced to a babbling three-year-old. Had three different Apple techs on the phone trying to help me through it. Got different, contradictory instructions from the last two. Finally got all three units working, only to find that not only does my MacBook Pro seem even more sluggish than when connected to the old 802.11g/b network, but my wife tells me web pages are taking at least twice as long to load as with the old network.
As concisely as I can lay this out:
*1. Airport Extreme (Base Station)*
Connected via Ethernet from its WAN port to my Comcast cable modem. One Ethernet (LAN) port on that AE is then connected via Ethernet to my Netgear 8-port Ethernet switch. Ethernet from switch to Ethernet port 1 on my MacPro. (MacPro does NOT have an Airport card because I forgot to order one. Also I confirmed that this setup was functional by connecting to the AE wirelessly with my MacBook Pro showing the name I'd given the new network prior to adding the two AX's to the mix).
Some Airport Extreme settings of note (all accessed via "Manual Setup" button):
Airport Tab > Summary
Version 7.5.1
Wireless Mode: Create a wireless network
Channel: 149 (Automatic), 1 (Automatic)
Wireless Clients: 3
Airport Tab > Base Station:
Allow Setup over WAN: Unchecked
Airport Tab > Wireless:
Allow this network to be extended: Checked
Airport Tab > Guest Network:
Nothing checked
Airport Tab > Access Control:
MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled
Internet Tab > Internet Connection:
Connect Using: Ethernet
Ethernet WAN Port: Automatic (Default)
Connection Sharing: Share a public IP address [Think this one is probably wrong]
Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
Internet Tab > DHCP:
Shows Beginning & Ending Address
Internet Tab > NAT:
Enable default host at: Unchecked and blank field
Enable NAT Port Mapping Protocol: Checked
Internet Tab > Advanced
Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
*2. Airport Express #1: Living Room Express (Closest to AE (Base Station)*
Airport Tab > Summary
Version 7.4.2
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Connect using: Wireless Network
Channel: 1 (Automatic)
Wireless Clients: 1
Airport Tab > Base Station:
Allow Setup over the Internet using Bonjour: Unchecked
Airport Tab > Wireless:
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Allow wireless clients: checked
Airport Tab > Access Control:
MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled
Internet Tab > Internet Connection:
Connect using: Greyed-out, not selectable
Connection sharing: Greyed-out, not selectable
Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
Shows IP Address
Internet Tab > Advanced
Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
*3. Airport Express #2: Dining Room Express (Furthest from AE (Base Station)*
Airport Tab > Summary
Version 7.4.2
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Connect using: Wireless Network
Channel: 1 (Automatic)
Wireless Clients: 2
Airport Tab > Base Station:
Allow Setup over the Internet using Bonjour: Unchecked
Airport Tab > Wireless:
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Allow wireless clients: checked
Airport Tab > Access Control:
MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled
Internet Tab > Internet Connection:
Connect using: Greyed-out, not selectable
Connection sharing: Greyed-out, not selectable
Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
Shows IP Address
Internet Tab > Advanced
Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
SETUP/GOALS:
With Airport Extreme (Base Station) as the starting point, have the two Airport Express units with the strongest, fastest signal possible, provide Internet access (and file sharing, iTunes speakers capability) to three Macs (one older iMac, one older PowerBook and my new MacBookPro). Again, I believe my new MacBook Pro is the only one with 802.11n support, so I don't expect the other Macs to take advantage of the speed boost offered by the three new 802.11n devices.
+Any and all help with this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!+

{quote}With the AirPort Extreme, in the AirPort panel, Wireless tab, click on the button for "Wireless Network Options", check the box for "5 GHz Network Name", and enter a different network name. (That can be trivially different, such as the name of the main network suffixed with an underscore and the digit 5.) Once configured that way, connect your "N" gear to each network in turn to see if one is any better than the other. (If you're wondering what effect this would have, it allows segregating your "N" gear from the older gear to prevent the older gear from slowing down your network. However, distance and interference from things like walls may negate any advantage.){quote}
William: I was gone most of yesterday, but had a chance to implement your recommendations today. I added the 5 GHz network as you suggested, but in order to connect to that at all with my 802.n11 MacBokk Pro, I need to be within a few feet of the AE (base station). If I try to access that network even from the next room (well within reach of both the AE and the livingroom AX, I get one bar and "failure to connect" messages just trying to logon to that network.
However, I did some experimenting that (as of right now, anyway) resulted in much faster network access, not only from my MacBook, but also from the older iMac which is the furthest Mac from the AE. According to my wife, that iMac is "loading web pages faster than I've ever seen them!"
Here's what I did:
1. Moved all three units to places where it seemed they would have the least amount of interference with the clearest path from unit to unit, also raising the height of both AXs from about 2-3 feet from the floor to about 5-6 feet from the floor.
2. Changed one setting on the AE (base station): Wireless Tab > Wireless Network Options > Multicast Rate ---> Changed this from Low to High.
I have a feeling the location shifts made the real difference, but I will try changing the multicast rate back to "Low" just to see what happens.
Paul

Configuring WDS w/ Airport Extreme Dual-Band 802.11n & Express 802.11g

I currently have an Airport Extreme Dual-Band 802.11n Model: A1301 (located downstairs) and an older Airport Express 802.11g Model: A1084 (located upstairs) which I had been using to stream iTunes to my upstairs stereo (which worked flawlessly). Recently a friend of mine recommended that I reconfigure my network to a Wireless Distribution System setup which would allow me to create a remote wireless node which improves my wireless signal strength upstairs, allows an interface to Airplay to play our music from our iPod's/Pad's and also provides an hard-wired Ethernet connection for my newly delivered Network Extender for my cell phone. So I followed the URL: support.apple.com/kb/HT4262 to assist in this conversion and found that I was unable to configure my network as desired. While this documentation is very good, there is one snafu that I worked out that finally allowed a successful setup. Follow the instructions for:
- Connecting a WDS main base station to the Internet
- Configuring a WDS main base station
- Configuring a WDS remote base station (See last line of instructions for the correct WDS Main ID)
Ensure all Wi-Fi base stations are powered on and allow them time to appear in the AirPort Menu Extra.
From the AirPort Menu Extra, select an 802.11g Wi-Fi base station to configure as a WDS remote.
In AirPort Utility, select the WDS remote Wi-Fi base station in the Base Station Chooser, and click Manual Setup.
Select the AirPort icon from the Toolbar, and click on the Wireless tab.
From Wireless Mode select Participate in a WDS network.
Click on the WDS tab.
From WDS Mode, select WDS remote.
Enable Allow wireless clients (see the first note below).
If not already supplied, enter the 2.4Ghz AirPort ID of the WDS main, then click Update.
There are two Apple ID's for the dual-band Extreme (2.4 & 5.0Ghz). Be sure to use the 2.4Ghz ID which is listed under the "Summary Tab" of the utility. What is confusing is that in the AirPort Utility, when you position the mouse cursor over the graphic of the Extreme on the left-hand side of the GUI, you are presented with a yellow dialog box which displays the 5Ghz ID and this can be misleading especially when you are trying to connect to an older 2.4Ghz Express ...

My Express is the A1264 802.11n model. My Extreme is the A1354 model.
The most crucial issue is the the Tivo, because the Premiere only works with Ethernet (I dont' have and wont' buy the upgraded wireless doohickey), but of course I would prefer that the Express also act to extend the signal, and I particularly want it do so using WEP access (or nothing, see below), since I have a second Tivo which ONLY works wirelessly and which ONLY works using WEP, not WPA.
Since there were so many different issues and needs going on, I was excited about the Dual Band because it meant I could potentially get 5G speeds for my iPad and perhaps the Tivo Premiere connection, while allowing a completely separate band for the OLD Tivo.
The other option I've been trying out (to accommodate the Tivo2 that can't handle WEP) is having no security, but making the networks hidden.
A third option I tried to make work was to create a "guest network" for just the Tivo2.
But what I'm finding out (it's what I always struggle with...networking is a nightmare.) is that if you take one from Column A, Column B disappears, so to speak.
The way it used to work on the non-dual band Extreme was as I mapped above, and the Tivo2 and my iPad used the wireless signal with no problem while the Express was Ethernet connected to the TivoPremiere, but it did so using WDS, which doesn't even seem to exist as a possibility, forget teh fact that it undermines the speed boost (so I read)
I've frankly never been able to understand the differences between the various modes and structures, and believe it or not I'm very smart and very comfortable with computers and Macs, having worked on them for 25 years.
And one of the biggest reasons I've had such a hard time is because of the many times that I have updated after making changes, Airport Utility tells me it worked, but nothing happens and then after too much frustration I end up unplugging and shutting down every single piece of equipment and rebooting everything and then it DOES work. Sometimes. But I can't be doing that every time I make one tweak, I'll go insane!
And the number of pin-resets I've done on the Express, the Dual band, and even the cable modem would make your head spin!
So there's my story. Kinda. Does it make any sense? At least in terms of my goals?
Your help is more appreciated than you can imagine.

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