Can a 1.42 GHz processor (MDD FW800) be fitted in a dual 1GHz MDD?

Hi there,
I saw on eBay a couple of these 1.42 for around $180. I noticed that the heat sink is copper-based and different to what my MDD has. Can such modification be done? If so, what thermal paste, etc.?
Thanks a lot,
Jacobo

Thanks for your replies Patrick.
Perhaps I got caught up in the excitement of "squeezing" as much as I can from my trusty MDD. I'll wait and see if the prices go down.
In the link you posted, ... "is the need to change the resistor due to the fact that the single 1.25 GHz MDD has a 133 system bus?
Jacobo
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Before Replacing the Processor
Important:
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Thanks for your replies Patrick.
Perhaps I got caught up in the excitement of "squeezing" as much as I can from my trusty MDD. I'll wait and see if the prices go down.
In the link you posted, ... "is the need to change the resistor due to the fact that the single 1.25 GHz MDD has a 133 system bus?
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Try to keep these specifics in mind when posting, so communication is clear as to which machine and operating system you are discussing.
Message was edited by: a brody

Hi a brody,
"Technical Innumerousy"?
The section with all the numbers is overwhelming. Maybe if it is broken out for readability:
10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, 10.0.4 (Cheetah)
10.1, 10.1.1, 10.1.2, 10.1.3, 10.1.4, 10.1.5 (Puma)
10.2, 10.2.1, 10.2.2, 10.2.3, 10.2.4, 10.2.5, 10.2.6, 10.2.7 (only available as a prebundled release), 10.2.8 (Jaguar)
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10.4, 10.4.1, 10.4.2, 10.4.3, 10.4.4 (first prebundled Intel Mac release, Intel Macs from here through 10.4.11 could not installer discs other than what shipped with them to install their operating system. 10.5 was the next retail disc that could install an operating system on them), 10.4.5, 10.4.6, 10.4.7, 10.4.8, 10.4.9, 10.4.10, 10.4.11 (Tiger)
10.5, 10.5.1, 10.5.2, 10.5.3, 10.5.4, 10.5.5, 10.5.6 (Leopard)
I think you are adding to the confusion with the "Generation" numbers, almost making it sound like there are processor generation numbers for every model of the Macintosh.
The Power Mac G3, G4 and G5 were referring to that generation of the Power PC processor specifically, not the generation of the Macintosh and it doesn't flow into non Power PC (processor) units. I don't remember the Motorola processors being referred to as G1, they were the 68k family of processors and there is no G6 as the Power PC processor stopped at the Power PC G5 processor.
"Only G3 through G5 generations were actually named by their generation." Again, they were not named for the Generation of the Mac, but the generation of the Power PC Processor they contained.
We no longer call them Gx as we no longer use Power PC processors.
For your consideration,
Nubz N.

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