Can Cinema tools 4.0 convert 29.97 to 24p?

Is cinema tools 4.0 a good method for converting 29.97 footage to 24p and are there side effect that need attention due to the shutter speed difference?
The HVX200 footage for my short film was accidentally shot at 1080i60 / 29.97 fps when I wanted it to be 24 progressive native... the setting may have gone to default after we turned off the camera.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!!!
Mac Pro Mac OS X (10.4.9) Final Cut Studio 2

Have you found a solution?
I shot everything in my feature in 24pA and one of my scene was shot 29.97. Must have changed after changing a tape and possible re-powering camera.
I have tried converting the material in cinema tools but the footage was slowed down. I sped the footage up 125% and now the image isn't normal.

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piff aroni wrote:
I have some footage shot at 24p on my canon hf 10. I need to remove pulldown. I saw this artice here
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I have a problem that exists on serveral levels. Hopefully I can explain:
1. I directed a concert shoot with eight cameras. All cameras were Panasonic DVX100A configured for 24p Advanced except one, which was a Panasonic SDX900 configured for 24p (which I later discovered was laid down with a 3:2 pulldown instead of a 2:3:3:2 advanced pulldown like the DVX100A cameras).
2. It was planned from the beginning to use the multiclip feature in FCP to edit the footage.
3. The tapes from each camera were captured from beginning to end—about an hour each tape, four tapes per camera—at full resolution, the pulldown was removed, and the clips were then recompressed to Photo JPEG EXCEPT the tapes from the SDX900.
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5. My solution to this was to open each clip in QuickTime Pro and split the clip in half, open each half in CT and remove the pulldown on the smaller files, then open the smaller halves in QT again and join them back together into a single clip.
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Is this a bug, and is there any way to fix this and make it work? I need to make all of the assets available for my class at school.

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