Can I re-install Tiger without previous systems?

I installed Leopard but I didn't have enough space for my music on my hard drive, so I want to reinstall Tiger, which takes up less space. I tried doing that, but it won't let me re-install Tiger unless I delete previous systems. I can move all my music to my external hard drive and then install Tiger again, but that will take a very long time because I have so much music. So the question: If I just leave my music on my Powerbook, and then re-install Tiger and delete the previous systems for the re-installation, will my music still be there?

You only have two ways to reinstall Tiger. You can do an Erase and Install which will delete everything on your hard drive. Not a problem if you have everything backed up on another hard drive. Or you can do an Archive and Install which doesn't require erasing the drive but does require enough space to perform a normal installation. Tiger requires 6-8 GBs of free space during installation plus you must have some additional free space on the drive - at least another 3-4 GBs. Obviously from your question you don't. Therefore, you need to remove files from the drive to free up space sufficient to install Tiger - roughly 9-12 GBs, and I'd suggest the bigger number to avoid further problems during installation. I'm afraid you have little choice but to take the time or keep Leopard and move your music to another hard drive and delete it from your current drive.

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Can I install Tiger without DVD drive?

Hello all!
I need your advice and help!
Today I finally added more RAM to my iMac and proceeded to upgrade to OSX. I bought v10.4.3 Tiger at a retail location. Nothing happens after I inserted the installation DVD. Then I realised that I probably do not have a DVD drive! (I did look at the system requirement page and saw a slot loading iMac there ...)
Is there any way I could install Tiger? All your help is much appreciated!
kris

First, have you installed the firmware update required for your model? You must boot directly into OS 9.1 or higher (but not OS X) to install the firmware update.
Secondly, your hard drive must be formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled) for Tiger.
If you open your Apple System Profiler it should tell you if you have a DVD drive. It was an option on your model, especially if you have the DV model.
If you don't have a DVD drive, then there are ways to install Tiger without one. One way is to exchange the DVD for a CD set from Apple. Visit the Apple OS X site to find the form needed for the exchange.
The following KB articles present alternatives for installing Tiger without a DVD:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6976
http://www.applelinks.com/p5/index.php/more/osx_odyssey_752_how_to_installing_tiger_using_firewire_target_diskmode/
You can also use an external Firewire DVD drive provided it is a bootable drive.

How do I install Tiger without DVD drive?

How do I install Tiger without DVD drive on a Powerbook?
My Powerbook had some problems recently, the HDD and the Superdrive where gone. I replaced the HD but can not get Tiger installed here because the DVD drive isn't working. I boot right now from a FW HD. Any Ideas how to install the OS on the internal drive?
Any ideas would be apreciated.

See Option 2 in
<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304129> or Option 1 in
<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303028>
It has worked for at least one person:
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I just tried it between a Power Mac G5 and a PowerBook G3 (Pismo) and it worked. The G5 was Mac in Firewire Target Disk Mode. I started the G5 with the T with no DVD in the drive. I started up the G3, and the G5's hard drive appeared on the G3's desktop. I pushed the eject key (on the G5 keyboard) and the SuperDrive opened. I put in a DVD (the Tiger installation disk) and closed the SuperDrive. The DVD appeared on the G3's desktop. I restarted the G3 with the Option key held down, and the DVD in the G5 appeared as a valid startup choice."

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Re-Install firefox without losing any data?

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10.5.6 update is installing updates in Previous System/Applications folder.

After updating from OS X 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 I discovered several of the updates were installed into Previous System/Applications rather than the Macintosh HD/Applications folder.
This resulted in Mail (3.1 build 914/933) quitting repeatedly which is when I discovered I had a newer version (3.5 Build 933) in the Previous System folder.
I then checked some of the other applications and further discovered that Spaces 1.0, Bluetooth 2.13, ical 3.06, Key Chain 4.0.2, X11 2.1.5 and Address Book 4.1.1 also installed to the Previous System folder.
I switched the applications between the two folders and everything seems to be working OK but is this going to mess things up when 10.5.7 comes around?

Just and update:
-Previously I had deleted the Previous Systems folder.-
I backed up my files and downloaded the massive 10.5.6 Combo update on top of the previous update. Restarted the computer and everything is working fine, all the newer versions of software are installed and running fine.
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Re-installed Tiger..not system preferenced won't launch

So I had installed the new OS on my old G5 tower a few months back, and have had a number of problems with it. I assume most of these problems are stemmed from the fact that the new OS is designed for the new intel chips, which i just missed the boat on with my tower. Either way, I decided to re-install tiger from the discs that were included with this computer when i bought it.
The install went fine, but when i launched into tiger for the first time, I found that I could not get the system preferences to load. Whenever I click the system pref option from the apple pulldown menu, an icon STARTS to pop up in the dock, then goes away and nothing loads. I have tried to repair permissions based on the advice of another user here, but it didnt help. Does anyone else have any suggestions? And If i need to completely re-format and re-start, can someone help me walk though it?
Thansk.

There are no guarantees, but following this procedure when installing updates and upgrades on your Mac, or even re-installing them, will go a long way towards avoiding unpleasant after effects and ‘post-update stress disorder’.
It is also worth noting that it is an extreme rarity for updates to cause upsets to your system, but they may well reveal pre-existing ones, particularly those of which you may have been unaware. If you are actually aware of any glitches, make sure they are fixed before proceeding further.
So before you do anything else:
If you can, make a full backup first.
Turn off sleep mode for both screen and hard disk.
Disconnect all peripherals except your keyboard and mouse.
1. Repair Permissions (in Disk Utility)
2. Verify the state of your hard disk using Disk Utility. If any faults are reported, restart from your install disk (holding down the C key), go to Disk Utility, and repair your startup disk. Restart again to get back to your startup disk.
At least you can now be reasonably certain that your system does not contain any obvious faults that might cause an update/upgrade to fail.
3. Download the correct version of the COMBO update from the Apple download site. If your car runs on gasoline you would not want to fill the tank with diesel, so don’t try to install the PPC updater on an Intel Mac!
If you prefer to download updates via Software Update in the Apple menu (which would ensure that the correct version for your Mac was being downloaded), it is not recommended to allow SU to install major (or even minor) updates automatically. Set Software Update to just download the updater without immediately installing it. There is always the possibility that the combined download and install (which can be a lengthy process) might be interrupted by a power outage or your cat walking across the keyboard, and an interrupted install will almost certainly cause havoc. Once it is downloaded, you can install at a time that suits you. You should make a backup copy of the updater on a CD in case you ever need a reinstall.
Using the Combo updater ensures that all system files changed since the original 10.4.0 are included, and any that may have been missed out or subsequently damaged will be repaired. The Delta updater, although a temptingly smaller download, only takes you from the previous version to the new one, i.e. for example from 10.4.10 to 10.4.11. Software Update will generally download the Delta updater only. The preferable Combo updater needs to be downloaded from Apple's download site.
Now proceed as follows:
4. Close all applications.
5. Unplug all peripherals except your keyboard and mouse.
6. Install the update/upgrade. Do not under any circumstances interrupt this procedure. Do not do anything else on your computer while it is installing. Be patient.
7. When it ask for a restart to complete the installation, click restart. This can take longer than normal, there are probably thousands of files to overwrite and place in the correct location. Do nothing while this is going on.
8. Once your Mac is awake, repair permissions again, and you should be good to go!
If your Mac seems slightly sluggish or ‘different’, perform a second restart. It can’t hurt and is sometimes efficacious!
9. Open a few of your most used applications and check that all is OK. In this connection please remember that not all manufacturers of third party applications and plug-ins, add-ons, haxies etc, will have had time to do any necessary rewrites to their software to make them 10.4.10. compliant. Give them a weeks or two while you regularly check their websites for updates. This applies particularly to plug-ins for Safari 3.
N.B. Do not attempt to install two different updates at the same time as each may have different routines and requirements. Follow the above recommendations for each update in turn.
Lastly, Apple's own article on the subject of Software Update may also be useful reading:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106695
If you are updating to Safari 3.0.4 (or just have):
Input Managers from third parties can do as much harm as good. They use a security loophole to reach right into your applications' code and change that code as the application starts up. If you have installed 10.4.11 and Safari is crashing, the very first thing to do is clear out your InputManagers folders (both in your own Library and in the top-level /Library), log out and log back in, and try again.
So, disable all third party add-ons before updating Safari, as they may not have been updated yet for the new version. Add them back one by one. If something goes awry, remove it again and check on the software manufacturer's website for news of an update to match your version of Safari. Remember: Tiger up to 10.4.10 used Safari 2.0.4 or, if you downloaded it, Safari 3.0.3 beta. Safari 10.4.11 uses Safari 3.0.4 which is not a beta. If Safari 3.0.4 on 10.4.11 is not the fastest browser you have ever used, then something is wrong!
Moreover, trying to revert to Safari 2 when running 10.4.11 can have repercussions, as Safari 3.0.4 uses a completely different webkit on which other applications like iChat, Mail and Dashboard Widgets etc also rely.
Most errors reported here after an update are due to an unrepaired or undetected inherent fault in the system, and/or a third party ad-on. Two such add-on that have been frequently mentioned here for causing such problems are Piclens and Pithhelmet. If you have them, trash them.
Additional tips on software installation here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106692

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I have erase my hard drive and tried to re-install Tiger. It successfully installed the 1st time, but every time I tried update, software update quit, and then safari quit when i tried to download the updates manually. Shortly afterwards the Powerbook froze.
I have tried to reinstall Tiger - then Panther from my original system disks - The hardware test says all is fine. The drive shows to install - but can't find a drive following installation.
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Leopard install fails - No Previous systems - packages all over desktop

*My basic question is this*...+Can I hack into the "packages" and other weird files that the Leopard install has left all over my hard disk (in a mid-install failure) to try to retrieve, photos, stickies, and AppleMail?+
History: After an iTunes "update" I got a bluescreen on restart. After repeated restarts and ample time (hours) for a reboot, I thought it might be time for the Leopard upgrade. I booted off Leopard DVD and ran Disk First Aid first, then installed Leopard. The install failed midway and left weird install "packages" all over my HD. I was only able to see these after booting off of an external disk. No previous systems or Users were anywhere in the mess left from the mid-install failure. I bought a new 500GB HD and tried to install Leopard on that...also failed. I booted off of the external again and copied the "mess" from the internal HD to the new HD in case the internal factory HD failed or was failing.
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Naturally, this G5 (wife's new computer) was the only one in the house not backed up. I was installing Leopard to use Time Machine with my new Time Capsule. To add insult to injury, I'd recently talked my wife into using iPhoto and AppleMail. She will never forgive me for that! As much as I love the on board apps, I am finding it is inherently dangerous to have your eggs in those baskets because all the integrated Apps (iPhoto, Mail, stickies, iTunes, document folder, etc) were/are destroyed or "packaged up" in an upgrade and the 3rd party apps (and their ancillary files, mails,etc) were all fine. (Eudora, Adobe apps, etc.)
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I hope I can find the install disk that came with my MacBook Pro, but I see from http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10194423&#10194423 that I can get a replacement (at a price).
Thanks for the penetrating question.
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Can I uninstall leopard and install tiger without problems?

I'm considering purchasing a refurb iMac - I don't want an iMac mind you, but the Mac Pros are simply priced way over my head and I need a new computer!
I can't get a straight answer from Apple about whether it will have Tiger or Leopard on it but because of Adobe's refusal to make CS2 compatible with Leopard, I must use Tiger.
I've been told I can, if I must, uninstall Leopard and reinstall Tiger but I've also been told I'll end up with a host of problems doing that
does anyone know if this will work or not?
Apple is driving me crazy... no one will asnwer that question for me
and why they don't have a mid-range Mac Pro is beyond me but what do I know?
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Hi liliths!
I look at the Apple Store refurbs list on a daily basis.
The longer you wait, the higher the chances that you will receive an iMac that was produced following Oct 26, and was therefore released with Leopard as the MINIMUM version of OS X. Currently, I'd guess that there is VERY little (almost zero) chance of that - today - but more chance as each day passes.
A refurb purchased now will have Tiger on DVD, and Tiger installed. The box will contain an upgrade disc that will install Leopard.
As time goes on, Apple will start to receive Leopard Macs (Leopard on DVD, and installed, but no Tiger) produced after Oct 26 that get shipped back from the stores after buyers have returned them. Those returns to Apple, and Apple's refurbishment process, do not occur overnight. Those Leopard Macs will not be able to run Tiger, or if they will run it, it will not be supported by Apple (no phone support/no warranty until Leopard would be installed).
Refer to this Apple Support article:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25497
There are some (lower-priced) Mac Pros sold with the slower processor option, but they are seldom seen on the refurb list, and sell quickly when do appear. One would certainly sell within minutes of being placed on the list this close to the holidays. (A good alternative at a close price w/o sales tax: eBay 250194178376)
There are others besides Apple selling the older production Macs and advertising that they have Tiger on them, not Leopard. (From a third party, I very recently purchased a Mac Pro NIB with Tiger only.) Those units will be available less and less as each day goes by. I have purchased a Leopard family pack for possible future use.
Don't wait too long to make up your mind, or the choice will no longer be available for you:) A mid-priced Mac Pro might be one of the last G5s, so you might want to look at eBay item 120191603098 (I have no affiliation on either eBay item, just a bystander).
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As to the question iMac vs Mac Pro or G5 - do you already have a display for a tower? A big factor in the decision.
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Restore without previous system tablespace backups

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I have a MacBook Pro running Leopard. For reasons I won't get into, I need to have a Tiger boot volume. I have any of 3 external drives I could install it on (one is a FireWire hard drive, one is a USB, and one is an iPod). However, the Tiger installer won't recognize any as valid drives. On the window where you pick the drive to install, they all have a red "!" on them and on mouseover it says something like "Tiger cannot be installed on this drive. Your Mac cannot boot from this drive."
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Note that it is possible to get the OS onto an APM-partitioned drive, formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled), and successfully boot an Intel Mac, but the OS must be cloned onto the external drive (e.g. with SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner) from an Intel Mac - it cannot be installed directly from the Tiger install DVDs. I have a LaCie external drive with APM partitioning, and I can boot my MBP in Tiger from that drive (and my wife's PB from it as well, since the bootable clone of her machine is on a separate partition of the drive).
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