Can I upgrade from Panther 10.3.9 to Leopard 10.5.2?

I have a Powerbook G4 running 10.3.9. Can I use the OSX 10.5.2 disks from a newer MacBook Pro to upgrade the G4? I tried but a message comes up saying 'you cannot install this software on this computer' but I'd like to know why.

Limnos is correct. Also, note, the Find File system of 10.5 is much weaker than 10.3.9 for locating files quickly by name. Though if you find files mainly by content, then it is better to have Spotlight. See this thread on how difficult it is to work with Spotlight based systems:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1861415&start=0&tstart=0
Amnesty offers Dashboard Widgets without Tiger or Leopard:
http://www.amnestywidgets.com/WidgetBrowser.html
Launchbar offers almost the same facilities as Spotlight without getting rid of the Find File in the Finder that is faster for simple find by name file finding:
http://www.obdev.at/products/launchbar/
Maybe this is an opportunity to decide if you really want to upgrade that machine to Leopard or Tiger, or just stick with Panther. Unless you have some software that is Mac OS X 10.5 or 10.4 only compatible, I see no reason to upgrade your Panther machine to Tiger or Leopard. Furthermore, Upgrading to Leopard will disable the Classic environment, unless you add an Firewire external hard drive with 10.4.11 or earlier, or erase and partition your hard drive to have 10.4.11 or earlier on it.

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Can not upgrade from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4

I have a PMG4 AGP 1.4 ghz (upgrade from OWC) 2 GB ram and three SCSI hard drives 147/147/40 (upgrades from OWC).
I upgraded to Tiger 10.4 from Panther about six months ago. And the upgrade never worked. After the upgrade for Tiger, the screen would look gray with the Apple logo and the spinning icon, then it would remain gray but the Apple logo will change to a circle with a diagonal line across it and it will stay that way forever.
So I been stuck with Panther ever since. (My iMac-G4 Video Special Edition did take the upgrade very well). I called OWC and they said that their drives were tested for Tiger and didn‘t have any problems. (how about the processor upgrade?)
I also took the computer to Apple store for advise, and one of their techs told me that the hard drive could be the problem.
So last night I decided to try it again but on the other drive (the one I‘m using as a starup disk with panther 10.3.9). Same thing.
By doing the same thing it tells me that the hard drives are the problem.
Please help because I really don‘t know what to do of this.
Thanks,
Oscar

You might try removing third party hard ware. Specifically, the SCSI drives. Get the systme back to original configuration with only keyboard and mouse and give it a go.

How can I upgrade from Tiger 10.4.11 to Leopard?

All I can find on eBay and elsewhere are "used" discs, and I'm afraid of purchasing them because I'm afraid I won't get the full functionality of what was once a "new" upgrade disc. (Like, perhaps, a serial number being registered by a previous owner that won't allow me to fully upgrade, etc.) Is this fear unfounded? Also, I'm only wanting to upgrade to Leopard so I can eventually get to Lion. Is there a more direct way of going about this?

All I can find on eBay and elsewhere are "used" discs, and I'm afraid of purchasing them because I'm afraid I won't get the full functionality of what was once a "new" upgrade disc. (Like, perhaps, a serial number being registered by a previous owner that won't allow me to fully upgrade, etc.) Is this fear unfounded?
Your fear is unfounded.. As long as you get a retail version (black color, not gray Mac specific) of an OS you get full functionality. There is no registration of an OS disc.
Also, I'm only wanting to upgrade to Leopard so I can eventually get to Lion. Is there a more direct way of going about this?
The Leopard requirements are listed below. To go to Lion 10.7 you need an Intel processor and Snow Leopard 10.6 installed if you want to download Lion. If you purchase Lion on a USB thumb drive you can go directly from Tiger.
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard installation system requirements
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24950
Leopard is no longer available at the Apple Store but may be available by calling Apple Phone Sales @ 1-800-MY-APPLE (1-800-692-7753).
If you can't obtain a retail install DVD from Apple, look on eBay or Google the installer part numbers to possibly find at an on-line store. Here's what to look for:
MB427Z/A Leopard 10.5.1 install DVD
MB576Z/A Leopard 10.5.4 install DVD
MB021Z/A Leopard 10.5.6 install DVD (single user)
MB022Z/A Leopard 10.5.6 install DVD (5-user family pack)
Installing Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1544
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Installation and Setup Guide
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/leopard_install-setup.pdf
After you install the base 10.5, download & install the 10.5.8 combo update at http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_OS_X_10_5_8_Combo_Update
 Cheers, Tom

Can't Upgrade from Panther (10.3.9) to Tiger

Hello, this is my first post and need HELP!!
I just purchased PowerMac G5 1.8 Dual Refurbished from Apple Store, and came with 10.3 installed and Tiger Upgrade DVD...
I tried to to upgrade to Tiger, but I can't.... I am getting "Hold Down Power Button" to restart my computer error... and Kernel Panic..... I also tried to boot from C drive, and that didn't work also..... anyone knows answer to these problem... Thanks.....

Thanks....
I contacted AppleCare, and Service Care Rep walked me through many troubleshoots for hours.... by the way, he was very cool..... after testing my G5, there's nothing wrong with the hardware accroding to him..... he thinks I have a bad installer DVD, so he is sending me new copy..... hopefully, that'll take care of my problem.....

I can't upgrade from 10.5.8 to snow leopard?

i've got one of the old black macbooks. i've had it for about 3 years and last week used the cd's that came with it to format the computer back to factory settings which obviously put it back to quite an old os x version. i've tryed to get the new itunes and quicktime but both are saying i need at least 10.6.8? do i have to buy something for this? i've always been up to date with itunes and everything before i formatted but now don't seem to have the right operating system to be able to use them. until i get the new itunes i can't even plug my iphone into my computer!!!
sorry if this is in the wrong place or anything. i'm alright with computers but not amazing, any help would be apprciated!!!
thanks

Start by checking if your Macbook can run it:
Requirements for OS X 10.6 'Snow Leopard'
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP575
Whilst Apple have withdrawn Snow Leopard from their stores, you can still get it from Apple by calling 1-800-MY-APPLE (if you are in the USA) and they will supply the SL DVD for $20 for a single user, or $30 for a family pack that covers up to 5 Macs. You can also purchase the code to use to download Lion from the same number (Lion requires an Intel-based Mac with a Core 2 Duo, i3, i5, i7 or Xeon processor and 2GB of RAM, running the latest version of Snow Leopard), or you can purchase Mountain Lion from the App Store - if you can run that:
http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/
If you are outside the US call your national Apple Helpline:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HE57
If you're in the UK, use this number: 0871 508 4400
When you have installed it, run Software Update to download and install the latest updates for Snow Leopard.

Can I upgrade from OS 10.4.11 to Leopard 10.5 on an older iMacG4?

I was recently gifted an iPad (for my 77th birthday)!. In order to run it, I need OS 10.5 or better. At this point, I cannot afford a new computer, so wonder if I could install OS 10.5 on my iMac G4, 10.4.11, vintage 2004, (the one with the round base)? I have kept this computer for so long because it also runs old System 9. I am not too tech savvy, but just enough to get me into trouble. Thank you.
monie3

Hi
The minimum requirements for 10.5 Leopard are:
Any Intel Mac or any G5 Mac or any PowerPC G4 Mac that has as a minimum an 867Mhz Speed Processor or better.
DVD drive
Built-in FireWire
256MB of RAM. Ideally 512MB and more if you can manage it
Ideally 15GB of free disk space available
If your iMac meets the 867Mhz Processor speed as a minimum or is ideally faster and if you meet the other requirements (ie: DVD drive, enough RAM and disk space) you should be OK. To find out what processor speed your iMac has simply click on the Apple Menu and select About this mac. The resulting window will give you some of the minimum information you need. To find out more click on More Info.
Tony

Upgrading from Panther to Leopard tips?

Hi, I'd like to upgrade from Panther 10.3.9 to Leopard, ideally the newest version. I have an I-book G4, 1.33GHZ, currently 512 MB RAM and 30.98 GB available disk space.
First question, is 512 RAM enough, or would it be important to get additional RAM for best performance? I think the most I could upgrade to with this computer would be 1.25 GB RAM. Or would it be better to get Tiger instead? What's the worst that could happen if I run Leopard with only 512 MB RAM? Computer slowing down? I would mostly use it for web surfing and writing with Word 2004, so nothing complicated. Thing is, I wouldn't want to spend too much money on this old computer, and more RAM would be another 30$ at least.
Also, is there any upgrade version that might be cheaper to buy than the full retail version? If so, what is it called? If I get the full retail, are they all the same and should I basically be safe with any disk that has the large "X" on it (as opposed to the gray disks that might only work for specific computers)? Not all sellers offer the whole box, which is fine, I really just need the disk, but I want to make sure I'm getting the right thing.
Do you know of a good place to get Leopard for a good price? Is it generally safe to buy a used disk? I would only need it for this one install, don't care if the disk is dirty, as long as it works.
I still have the Leopard disk from my I-mac, is there any way to install Leopard from that disk, or is full retail the only option?

Leo uses more resoueces, especially Video card relaed...
Tiger Requirements...
To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs:
    * A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
    * Built-in FireWire
    * At least 256 MB of RAM (I recommend 1GB minimum)
    * DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation
    * At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools (I recommend 20GB minimum)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
I still have the Leopard disk from my I-mac, is there any way to install Leopard from that disk, or is full retail the only option?
Sorry, no, it's Intel & machine specific.
main thing for her would be access to internet (being able to watch basic videos online, mail, search, see all photos on a website.
In the end, not much differences as far as that, both are outdated... but I use both daily on the Internet.
Do you know if the old AOL software would work with either Tiger or Leopard? My mother still uses that and is used to it, although I might be able to get her to just check her e-mail on Safari in exchange for better internet access.
No idea, but AOL became irrevelant decades ago, Apples Mail App can be setup in 10.4/110.5 to access most anything, & theres better/safer Browsers in eithere OSSX...
TenFourFox is the most up to date browser for our PPCs, they even have G4 & G5 optimized versions...
http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
I'd avoid vesrion 24 though, as it no longer supports plug-ins like Flash.
SeaMonkey seems pretty fast also, with many options...
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
Might also look into iCab & OmniWeb versions.

Can I get Tiger cheaper by upgrading from Panther?

Hi, I was wondering if I could get Tiger cheaper by upgrading from Panther. Is there such an option? I would prefer it as I am going to buy new system soon but I need tiger for next few weeks but don't want to pay the full amount. Any suggestions?

No you can't.
The price for the Tiger retail install package is the same regardless which OS X version you are upgrading from.

Upgrading from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4.3

My brother has a 17" 1.8 IMac and wants to upgrade from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4.3 so he can use Aperture, Apple's new software. Since I have always helped him in the past with his upadates, I prefer doing clean installs by reformatting the hard drive before doing a major upgrade like the aforementioned. Is this the preferred method or should I attempt to install over Panther without reformatting? I'm rather reluctant to go to 10.4.3 based upon the number of negative experiences reported by people who have done so, but if he wants to use Aperture, according to the system requirements needed to run it, he has to perform this update. What recommendations do any of you have for making a safe migration from 10.3.9 to 10.4.3? In other words, what is the best and safest method of updating?
G5 2.3 Mac OS X (10.4.1)

Tom,
Don't forget this forum is the hospital ward. Don't let the preponderance of bad reports make you think an update is bad. These are usually cases where people haven't taken the proper precautions while updating which should always be taken.
Mac OS X doesn't technically have a clean install option. For reasons why I say not, see this user tip:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607614
The best method of upgrading depends on how well the machine is functioning in 10.3.9. If it has sufficient space, sufficient RAM, has not had any kernel panics, the following sequence of steps is recommended:
1. Backup your data.
2. Make sure all your hardware and software has compatible drivers for the operating system you are going to. Verify all the applications you are going to use are updated.
3. Dismount and disconnect all third party peripherals.
4. Upgrade and install to 10.4 with a retail 10.4 installer disk. Do not use a system specific disk on a different machine. Buy the box family or single user pack from an Apple software reseller.
5. Repair permissions with Applications -> Utilities -> Disk Utility
6. Run the 10.4.3 combo update:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1043combo.html
7. repeat step 5.
Do steps 1 and 5 before and after any update as a general practice in anycase. Application installers often have a tendency to want to mess with permissions and sometimes don't put them back causing problems later on.
Now if you are having issues launching specific programs, or programs unexpectedly quitting now, or 4 language screens those need to be isolated before you update.

Upgrading from Panther to Tiger. Is it worth it?

Hi there. I have been debating this in my head for quite some time. It is worth upgrading from Panther to Tiger? What are the benefits?
Thanks,
dave

Hi dave!
If you do decide to upgrade, Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (US).
Jaguar and Panther, are no longer available directly from the Apple Online Store, as Tiger 10.4.x is the most up to date OS.
A Full Retail Version of the Tiger Install DVD, can be purchased rather inexpensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, AppleRescue, (as cornelius mentioned) etc.
Be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
Once Tiger 10.4.x is installed, you can use the PPC 10.4.8 Combo Update, to upgrade to the most up-to-date version.
Tiger System Requirements
Mac Model Compatibility & Requirements For OS X
Additionally,
"Tiger ships on a DVD, but if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you’ll need CD media. When you buy Mac OS X Tiger, you qualify to purchase Tiger CDs for only $9.95."
Download The Order Form Here. Media Exchange Program
Shop Carefully, Examine All Documentation, And Good Luck!
ali b

Need to upgrade from Panther

I need to upgrade from Panther so that I can sync my ipod but I also use classic Mac os 9 for some programmes. If I upgrade will I loose the ability to use these programmes or can I still run classic. Help someone.......also I am not completely confident so be gentle....I need clear answers. Please help.

Hi.
If your machine meets the system requirements for Tiger, then you can install it.
Tiger supports the Classic environment (runs OS 9.2.2), so you'll be able to use your classic programs.
Good Luck.

Having problems upgrading from Panther to Tiger

Hi there!
I'm new to this place, but very desperate to find answers. I have been trying to upgrade from panther to tiger for the past week and have gotten a mess. I have to restore my old panther system after a panic kernal while trying to install tiger. I have tried to upgrade, install and archive and erase and install tiger and the same keeps happening: after 30-30% installation of essentials, I get a "try installing again" message and immediately goes to a blank blue screen. I have to reboot from my eDisk on the external hd and re-install my old system. I've done EVERYTHING I can find on the web and in the install suggestions. Everything has been updated (firmware, sofware, etc.), I tired disconnecting external devices except the keyboard and the external dvd I need to install and still the same thing...over and over and over!
So, now I'm down to the fact that I need to install CDs (internal) instead of DVD off the external drive. However, when I went and downloaded the form for the exchange the Tiger versions listed (MA453Z/A, MA454Z/A) do not coincide with the version I purchased (M96397/A). So I'm trying to figure out what this version is that I purchased and if it has anything to do with my big install mess!
So, any ideas out there? Glad to hear your input!

Call 1-800-MY-APPLE WRT media exchange program and the DVD version you have.

Leopard Upgrade from Panther Forgot Mail Messages

I just upgraded from Panther to Leopard. My iPhotos, Word documents, Bookmarks, everything except email messages made it thru the upgrade and are accessible. My problem is that although all of the Mail user settings are fine, and I can send and receive mail, my inbox, sent box, etc. are empty. Do I have any hope of seeing the contents of them again?

It seems Tiger lost my Mail files. I restored from backup, then started Mail again. It imported in less than 1 minute, then started up normally.
Beavis2084

Upgrade from Panther Server with Raid1

Trying to upgrade from Panther Server with software Raid1. Upgrade fails with "Could not prepare disk". I'm guessing it has to do with the RAID1? I need to upgrade and not do a clean install.
Could I upgrade to tiger server first?

Wow, Panther server. Ah the memories... Anyway, what you are running into is an issue with the actual Apple RAID software versions. If you run this command:
diskutil checkRaid
You should see in the result:
Apple RAID version: 1
That is your problem. Tiger and Leopard will only install on Apple RAID version 2 which was introduced in Tiger. But, all is not lost. Apple has provided a method to upgrade the RAID version without a break and a recreation. Again, using diskutil, run this command to see your options:
diskutil convertRaid
You will get:
Convert a 1.x RAID set (Mac OS 10.3 Panther or earlier) to a 2.x RAID set.
The filesystem must be mounted and resizeable (i.e. Journaled HFS+).
Ownership of the affected disk is required.
Example: diskutil convertRAID /Volumes/RAID
If the name of the volume is Data, then diskutil convertRaid /Volumes/Data should provide the fix you need.
Boot from your Leopard install media and then before attempting to install, open the Terminal and use the command above. Provided you formated as HFS+ journaled you will be fine.
*Make sure you have a backup!*
Oh, and if this fails, then run a diskutil list and hope that you did not install the OS 9 firewire drivers. If you did, then nuking and paving is likely your only option. In that case, I would suggest a clone, then a Raid break, then a creation of a new RAID set, then a restore, then an upgrade.
Again, make sure you back everything up. Be ready to revert back to your clone. Stop all services before upgrading. Export all users and groups. Just be safe. Panther to Leopard can be a tricky upgrade. If you are using MySQL, do a dump before attempting.
Hope this helps. Backup first. Backup many places.

Upgrade from Panther to Leopard on PowerBook G4

Hi-
I just bought Leopard (for $129 directly from apple) and am interested in knowing the steps I would need to take to upgrade from Panther (10.3.9) on a PowerBook G4 with the following specs:
Machine Model: PowerBook G4 17"
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.5 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.8.4f1
I have 11 GB of disk space available.
Do I have the correct system requirements to make this transition seamlessly? Anything else I need to get?
Thanks!

What's the difference between getting an external hard drive vs. the card? I'll definitely go with 160GB to be on the safe side.
See my reply in your other thread.
I keep reading that Archive&Install is giving people problems. Given my situation, would you recommend Upgrade or Archive&Install or Erase& Install?
I'm running Tiger and did not know that A&I was giving people problems on Leopard. If that's the case, I would definitely do the Upgrade (if that is an option like it has been on previous OSX installers).
My main thing is that I'm going to need to keep Office 2004 (which I learned should work on Leopard).
Given that, use the Upgrade method.
Unless... this may sound silly, but can I save it on disks or something? (I don't have the original install disks anymore).
That's not silly at all, and with some applications it will work. I do not know if that's the case with Office, but I would recommend against it. OSX often needs to "weave" parts of an app into itself via the installation, and copying the actual app will not do that. If you have a disk image of the installation disc, that's a different story, and it will copy/work fine.
Also, when I do the backup (via Super Duper?), where does all the stuff end up living? If it's on my hard drive, doesn't that get taken away when I replace it with the newer/bigger one?
I use SD and think it's the best cloning app out there. You need to save it on an external source, otherwise you're correct, it's still "living" on your PB's HD, and if you erase that HD or something happens to it, all that data is gone.
In your situation, I would consider either an external HD or an enclosure. With an external, you'll be able to use if for backups, which would be a very good idea if you value your data. 300GB and even larger can be found for under $100. I'd recommend a FireWire model, so you can then boot your PB from it if you want/need to.
If money is an issue and you choose not to backup (a bad idea, as all HDs eventually die), you may get an external enclosure. Install the new HD in it, SD/clone your PB's internal HD to it, install the new HD in your PB, and you're good to go. 2.5" enclosures can be purchased for under $10.

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