Can see the network but not the basestation

I've seen lots of problems for configuring an older (Dual Ethernet) base stations, however I've not seen a problem quite like mine. both of my laptops can see and connect to the network, however the connection doesn't get past that point. This has happened before, however the new part is that neither of my laptops can find the base station via the airport admin utility. I have a MBP running leopard and a TiBook running 10.4.10 and they both have the same problem.
I've tried using the configure other option and enter the IP address for the router but I always get an error code. I've tried connecting via either of the 2 ethernet ports as well and neither of my computers will acknowledge that the base station is there. I've checked the original documentation and the lights are behaving as though nothing is wrong other than no network activity.
I'm loosing my patience and I'm about the throw the thing out a window

I have a similar problem with my TiBook G4 10.3.9 and my Airport Snow. The laptop does not see the base station and tells me I have no network selected. The TiBook sees other networks and lists them in Internet Connect, but my account is missing. The base unit seems to be functioning properly, flashing all the requisite lights.
I've tried using the Airport Setup Utility and the Airport Admin Utility to reconnect but neither sees the base unit. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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