Can't get Aero theme forced (via Group Policy)

Well I'm at a loss.  I have a bunch of users.  They're all crazy, and I think I'm getting there too.  It all started with this three-armed monkey that got loose in the lab....
Ok seriously.  I'm having no luck getting the Aero theme forced to any user.  2008 R2 and Win 7 Pro and Enterprise systems.  Any user can easily manually set their own Aero theme and it saves after they log off, but for a user that hasn't
done this I cannot get GPO's to get the job done. 
I've been all over the web, some people say use the option to "Load a specific theme" which most people agree only affects a user's login for the first time.  After they've logged in once, that setting never applies to them again. 
And the other one is that if I want to force the theme each time someone logs on, to set the msstyles file under "force a specific visual style file or force Windows Classic".  I don't have a company-specific file to share over a network folder
so I just use the default %windir%\resources\Themes\Aero\aero.msstyles path. 
Both of these GPO entries are found under User config > Policies > Admin Templates > Control Panel > Personalization. 
Some forum posts say not to enable these two items together, others say you need to.  For me it doesn't work in any combination - plenty of machine reboots in between to ensure updated GP's get applied.  . 
Also the Desktop Window Manager Session Manager service is running and set to automatic, and I've tested on more than one system so I am confident the computers are not the problem (some are brand new installs). 
Event logs show no errors at all, and also do show successful applies of "4 group policy objects".  I suppose I should count how many are supposed to apply to a computer but let's say for argument's sake that there are no errors on this. 
Is there something I'm missing? 

I've been all over the web, some people say use the option to "Load a specific theme" which most people agree only affects a user's login for the first time.  After they've logged in once, that setting never applies to them again. 
And the other one is that if I want to force the theme each time someone logs on, to set the msstyles file under "force a specific visual style file or force Windows Classic".  I don't have a company-specific file to share over a network folder
so I just use the default %windir%\resources\Themes\Aero\aero.msstyles path. 
For the "Load a specific theme" policy, you can find the description of the policy in group policy editor, it is only applied when a new user logs in for the first time and it doesn't prevent user from changing the theme
I made a test in my environment, if I applied "force a specific visual style file or force Windows Classic". it works as I want (I use some default visual style file because I don't have customized file ), after that, I can change the
theme, and the aero.msstyles I set via GP remain take effects.
Regards
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