Can't overclock ! 875P Neo

Hi,
I just got a 875P Neo with a P4 2.4c ( FSB 800 ) and Corsair TwinX 3200 RAMs, and I can't get anything higher than a 15 mhz increase in FSB - 2.6 is the most I can get.
Increasing the CPU voltage to 1.7 and ram to 2.8 allowed me to boot with 222 FSB, but that's as far as I can go - the system hangs up.
Temperatures are at about 40C.
I'm stumped. I thought this board is good at overclocking.
BTW, I cannot find DOT and PAT settings. I thought 875's have PAT ?
Thanks for any advice.

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/index.php?threadid=27973&boardid=10
Some guy in here removed his ATI vid card and it worked after that...
Anyway, I didn't read the entire thread, it might offer you the solution you need?
please do not edit if you are asking a new question and aren't the last post in the thread, just make a new reply/thread ??? anyway, I'm not a mod here so it isn't really my business....
I believe dot is not in the bios yet, so you wouldn't be able to find that anyway, but I read here it will be available in the future. I do not know what PAT is...yet

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Now my question is with this configuration what can i reach and what to use (CoreCenter or Bios) ?
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please read:
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Hi all,
Ive had this set up for a few years but never once tweaked the bios for performance and now is the time
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Ok, the combo of all 4 sticks has started causing instability so ive now removed the crucial 2 x 512 and left with the corsair as 1gb in dimm 1 and 1gb in dimm 3. Im happy to stick with this but cannot adjust the bios to make use of the ram's very fast timings of 2,3,3,6 - if I do anything other than auto spd the system crashes, this is a bit of a let down because the options are there in front of me and this new ram cost me a lot of money. I am a little unsure with the ram timings in bios as there are 5 timings and I only have 4 timing specs from the corsair website, the 5th timing in bios is dram burst length and I dont know what I should set this too ?
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Overclock not "sticking" on 875p Neo

I have a 875p neo and a 2.4C P4. I'm trying to overclock them via the bios, but I'm not having much luck.
I do not have fuzzy logic installed fyi.
I'll set the FSB in the bios to say 225, and keep the memory locked at 400. When I save and exit/reboot, on the post screen it correctly shows a 2.75ghz speed.
Then the second I get in windows, I can use any utility (cpu-z, wcpuid, etc...) and it will only show my speed at 2400/800. So I'll shut down and go back in the bios and my old settings are still saved at 225fsb with 400 memory.
MSI tech support was no help, the just say uninstall core center. I told them I don't have it installed, they say the same thing. Just to be sure, I did a reformat the other night, only programs windows xp and cpu-z, and my overclock is definatly not sticking.
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Has anyone ever experienced anything like this before, or does anyone know how to disable the core cell?
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I agree with Uruk Hai update your BIOS as per This thread. I have used these directions for two flashes with no problem.
I have noticed with my overclocking that the mobo adds 1Mhz to whatever I set in the BIOS and it will change memory timeings also. Let us know how things turn out.

MSI 875P NEO FISR ( pcb 2.0) OVERCLOCKING database

TO ALL MSI 875P NEO FISR ( pcb 2.0):
POST YOUR OVERCLOCKS HERE

What I can achieve............ does not mean you can achieve.
I can do stable:- 3Ghz on 2.4Ghz 533 Northwood - 3.4 on 2.6 Celery Northwood 400 - But only 3.3 on a 2.8 800 Northwood.(That's on 875 Ver 2)
Depends on CPU, 865 is better for OC work on 478 and PRESCOTTs never used (Stupid dynamic core)

Can MSI add DOT to 875P Neo-FIS2R

Hi! Those guys here!
Will DOT be added to the 875P Neo-FIS2R in the next bios???
I'm using the BIOS1.6 but I still couldn't find DOT!
I hope it will be in BIOS1.7.
I LOVE MSI that's why I bought my board!
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P4 2.4C+875P Neo-FIS2R+GEIL DDR400 512MB+Winfast A310 Ultra
THANKS :D :D :D

There are some threads stating that it's already in the Beta 1.74 BIOS but requires a specific version of CoreCell (which is indicated by a DOT sticker on the board/box)
There was also another thread saying that aside from this, it seems to depend on the processor installed - which I find puzzling ?(

Is the 875P Neo-FIS2R a bad mb?

Like the title says:
Is the 875P Neo-FIS2R a bad motherboad? I can understand that tis is a place where you will find more problems then anything else. But I mostly see motherboard specific problems, that occur on many mb's of the same type. I find that a bit disturbing...
A friend of mine never had any troubles with it, then again, he might not tell me, or he is lucky. But based on his 'good' experience I have a 875P lying here right now.
I cannot use it yet since I am missing a graphic card to go with it, I expect that to arrive next Tuesday. Im a bit nervous now.....
Another question while I'm at it: will both controllers (the Intel and the Promise) work, or are the mutual exclusive. So I guess I mean is: do I have 3 P-ATA connectors on my mb or either 2 or 1??
If it is the latter option, that would be lame, then I would have to insert my PCI card with a pomise controller....

I have to say the 875P is definitely NOT a bad motherboard as long as you have approved components. It works very well for "standard" usage. It has all of the top features from Intel - 875P chipset, 10Gbit CSA, ICH5R, ADI audio, firewire, etc.
I am concerned with some things MSI could/should have done better in the first place:
1. Wrong NB temp (and it seems to be affected by NBFAN)
2. No SFAN speed monitoring though it wouldn't have cost more to put it in ... X(
3. Slow frequency of BIOS release or update fixes vs other "top tier" motherboard manufacturers
4. More issues than others with popular memory modules
5. Confusing or "poorly documented" BIOS features/interface leave tweakers less in control
6. Corecell, DOT & MAT, BIOS are still a work in progress
When you start looking for topnotch performance and stability via tweaking OR major overclocking - that is where it falls short - contrary to what their marketing says.
Read this thread where an 875P owner compares his new Asus P4C800E Deluxe (after his 875P Neo failed and had to go for RMA). I summarize his "review" here:
Quote
Criteria on MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R vs ASUS P4C800E DeLuxe
Ease in setting up P4C800E
Memory compatibility P4C800E
Overclocking
- setting options Neo
- higher performance P4C800E
- lower temperatures P4C800E
- lower voltages P4C800E
Video card compatibility Neo
Hard drive performance Same
Benchmark scores Est. 5% better on Asus vs MSI
Extra Goodies:
ASUS - ability to use USB ARMD devices and emulate them as floppies, HDD, and even CD-ROM
MSI - AUTO overclocking (Captain, etc. on the Neo boards - 5%, 10% etc on the Asus boards) works much better
quote:
... the Asus is much less of a problem child when setting up. So my final ruling is, don't expect much more from the ASUS board, but if you are fed up with your 875P Neo, or are returning/RMA-ing your board anyway, you might be pleasantly surprised with what the ASUS P4C800/E/Deluxe can do for you.
I think you'll find similiar comparisons from 865PE Neo2 users who had tried the P4P800...
So far many have said they're still keeping their MSI boards when RMA comes back
Conclusions:
- Good HW but FW/SW satsifactory~needs_improvement. :]
- If you don't do major tweaking , and want stability + full features, the 875P is a GOOD board overall, IMHO. 8)

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I happened to see the new MSI875P NEO with a sticker with MSI new CoreCell chip with D.O.T (Dynamic Overclocking Technology).
Can this be done with the BIOS?

As the 875P Neo and the 865PE Neo2 are derived from almost the same design, I wouldn't be surprised if DOT comes to the 875P soon.
It was first implemented on 865PE and should be possible through a BIOS update as the major components were already in place - the CoreCell chip and the freq & voltage adjustment settings.
I wish MSI would drop the corny military ranks though and use a better technical analogy.
Also, I think the voltage ranges they provide for Vcore, Vagp and Vmem are ridiculously extreme on one end, so maybe they should consider moving the ranges
Also, fix those temperature readings for System and NB.
But most importantly, give the option to fix the AGP/PCI clock!

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Hi y'all!
Currently I'm using:
P4 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB
2*512MB Kingston HyperX PC3200 CL2
MSI 875P Neo LSR (BIOS v1.6)
I'm wondering where I can enable P.A.T. or MSI's M.A.T.?
After reading something about BIOS version 1.6 enabling M.A.T. , I flashed from 1.2 to 1.6.
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Okay... Okay... This is generally for MSI, no reason to take offence.. anyone. Or maybe just the guy who never used computer(apparently) but designed BIOS for this board.
I Have NEO FISR2 motherboard, and the problems I have seem to be something like people here have.
PAT isn't enabled if you overclock. What ever you do, Ultra Turbo or turbo.. nothing helps. Is there a reson for this?
If I drop memory to 333 and raise FSB, should the numbers in BIOS at memory speed show what it actually is, never have done so... And if I raise FSB and memory speed is at 400MHz why isn't PAT enabled, memory isn't overclocked?
If I try to change manually setting for memory, like cas etc... Should it do something, or are these there just for fun, so you could IMAGINE the effects on your board.
Almost all memory related settings are in BIOS for some other reason than adjusting setting on this motherboard, they don't affect anything. At least not for me. Maybe I was wrong thinking this board could be user for overclocking, those volt settings propably are there for show too. Nothing to do with overclocking, because you will never get everything out from this board. At least not if BIOS is working like this.
I did simple test, raised volt for memory to 2.90. Whopee. Raised FSB to 230, and left the memory setting at 400MHz. Changed by hand Cas setting to more relaxed ones.
Quess, which changes of these actually did something? FSB and Volts. For some unbelievably stupid reason board changes automatically both CAS(VERY RELAXED) settings and memory setting. Try Sandra, see for yourself.
Please, let me know if I'm doing something wrong, this is new board and new BIOS, maybe I'm missing something...
OR this is the most lamest try I have ever seen to put out decent BIOS. Nothing makes sense, thank you very much for wasting hours and hours of my time while I was trying to figure out why everything didn't work like I expexted, after all, there where so many "pretty buttons to press" that did nothing.
ARGH! X(

[875p Neo FIS2R(PCB 1.0)] BIOS/OS ramtiming problems

First off, hello to you all. This is my first time here since I recently bought an MSI board.
On too the problem;
I have the following RAM modules http://www.geilusa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=26 , and set into the BIOS SPD off and the timings to 3-4-4-8, and the DDR voltage to 2.6.
Everything works okay, except, SiSoft Sandra and CPU-Z say my RAM modules run at CL2.5 instead of the CL3 I configured in the BIOS.
If I turn on SPD, the modules will be configured to CL2.5 and the rest the same timing. Now I can get into this, since I'm basicly are underclocking these modules atm, so SPD might think 2.5 are better setting for running under 400, but still strikes me odd that whatever I set into the BIOS RAM timing, CPU-Z and Sandra report different timing then what I do in the BIOS.
If I calculate it rightly, underclocking these modules on 400MHz instead of 533 will result in 2.5-6-3-3 timings on 400MHz and 3-8-4-4 on 533. The setting 2.5-6-3-3 works aswell and stable, same as 2-6-3-3, since they 3.5ns modules I didn't have any problems with my timings. Except, that sandra/cpu-z just give not the right timings according to my BIOS.
All dynamic overclock settings in BIOS are set to off/slow.
I'm not trying to overclock just yet, although I did some testing, but setting only DDR RAM frequency's to 500-533 will make the system not even start.
With only FSB OC'ing to 230 on a P4 3.2 I can run stable with my system, anything above willl have odd results, as in, onboard gigabyte network adaptor disappearing, not able to boot from internal promise raid, or core center reporting it doesn't support my mobo! But, that is my 3.2 GHz CPU that is clocked too high then.
Just want to make sure, that whatever I set into BIOS will carry over to the booted system, before I activly will OC.
System spec;
P4 3.2GHz
4x GL5124200DC (Geil)
875P Neo FISR2(PCB 1.0) BIOS v2.0

All right, then I probably don't have to worry about that, thank you for clearing that up.
Nevermind the rest of t he text, I found that AGP 3.0 Univeral mode just runs at 1.5v, which both the mobo + card use atm.
--- obsolete question --
Another question though, it might be related aswell.
I'm using an ATI RADEON 9800XT in this motherboard, that according to ATI will use 0.8volts when in 8x/4x AGP or 1.5 at 4x. Thing is, CoreCenter still reports the AGP voltage as 1.5 while the card is running on a 8x AGP bus (where it should be 0.8v). Is this another quirk where things are not displayed correctly?
Bit concerned here, because having used this card in a previous board, I notice that in this board that the card outputs a stronger signal to the same monitor, resulting in a brighter display. Meaning black is not real black but more a kind of grey, which might be the result of the card running at too high a voltage in 8x mode.
-- obsolete question --

875P Neo FiS2R best memory ??

Aside from the list on the MSI web site, what 512MB TWIN DDR memory modules have been tested to be working fine with the 875P Neo FiS2R motherboad ?
Both 400 or also higher for overclocking. Please indicate your findings, thanks.

Even though it's not on the "recommended list," I use the 2x512MB Mushkin Level II Black Label DIMMs, with the Winbond BH5 (??) chips.
My 875P-FIS2R board is stable even overclocked. I run the memory at 2-2-2-6 w/ 8 Burst and DDR Volt at 2.85V. The RAM is good for 2-2-2-5 and works on the board at that setting, but not when I OC past 245FSB (3:2 Ratio) with a 2.4C, so I drop it to 2-2-2-6 and I'm at a happy 3.0GHz with very aggressive timings.
Personally, I wish I could get the same results at 1:1 ratio, but it appears my SB Audigy might be holding me back on that endeavor (I can OC considerably higher just by taking the Audigy out). Anyway, my memory settings always gets me > 1000 on my PCMark2003 Memory score. So I'm happy (for now!!).

875P Neo-FIS2R: Memory stays at 333MHz

I recently assembled a new system with the MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R motherboard. The specs are as follows: Pentium 4C 3GHz 800MHz FSB, 1GB Samsung PC3500 Cas 2 DDR. The problem is I can't seem to get the memory to run at 400MHz, no matter what BIOS I use. The memory is capable of running at 433MHz with the tightest timings, yet I can't even get it beyond 333MHz. Please help me!
Scott

I bought the MSI Neo-FIS2R last weekend, together with a pair of Corsair XMS3500C2 256M memories & a P4 3.0C processor. Darned expensive kit, but I was impressed with all the features on the MSI board, and I decided to go for the performance RAM to squeeze every last drop of performance out. The Cosair modules are supposedly guaranteed to do 434MHz 2-3-3-7-T1.
http://www.corsairmicro.com/xms/xms_modules.html
My board came with 1.1 Bios, and I've flashed to 1.2 Bios.
In my experience over the past week with this board, the Bios is totally hosed. It just doesn\'t do anything. I can get terrific boot screens, 3.6Ghz, 3.8Ghz, but nothing really happens as far as overclock.
And the same thing is true for memory. I can change the memory settings all I want to, and Sandra and Aida give the same results. And, these results are not as good as the reference data for other 875P systems in Sandra and Aida. It appears MSI bios is simply running these Corsairs at Bios default timings 2.5-4-4-8 and nothing I do can change this.
Corecell does produce some overclock changes, but I don\'t like Corecell. Computer bluescreens, have to clear CMOS. Start Corecell again, bluescreen, clear CMOS. Repeat until tired of this.
Nice kit, but way too expensive for the performance I'm getting. Hope they fix it, or this stuff goes back.

Problem 875p Neo Fis2r

I have recently buy the msi 875 neo fis2r main board but when i have installed it in case it did not give any display, I have check out all hard ware requirments but it clear I have the folwing hardware
INET P4 PROCESSOR 1.5 GHZ WITH 256 CAHCE MEM
MSI AGP GFOCE 440SE WIHT 64 MB RAM & 4X BUS
256MB OF SYSTEM DDR266 RAM
40 GB OF SEA GATE HD
FLOPY 1.4 DVD ETC.
can you give me any sugission?
THANKS FOR YOUR SUGSSION BUT IT STILL NOT GIVE ANY DISPLAY ON SCREEN.

You do need a new processor.
Starting point for the 875P Neo is the Intel Northwood core - the slowest of which is their 1.6A running at 1.6GHz 100MHz FSB and 512K cache.
I have a 1.8A overclocked to 2.4GHz and running stable! Am waiting for P4 3GHz or better prices to go down or Prescott socket 478 to be released

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Has anyone tried (I should say needed to try) the BIOS recovery feature for this board?
I've probably flashed my motherboard 10-15 times this week trying different settings and combos. I got my new Kingston HyperX 3500 1GB Dual DDR434 kit and started re-tweaking my machine. Finally after using 1.74 for two days, it just would fail to boot. Powers up, but no POST. Resetting CMOS, and all other tricks failed. I even tried putting back in my Samsung CAS-3 memory to see if it would boot up. No go.
I tried the BIOS recovery procedure as follows. Rename your bios to AMIBOOT.ROM and put on a disk. Hold CTRL-HOME to force the flash. Well I tried this about 20 times, using different floppies, drives, and cables until I was ready to throw the board in the recycle bin.
I decided that I would give it one last try about 2am this morning. I tried using the 1.74 BIOS as the recovery ROM, instead of the BIOS I wanted to replace it with. Worked like a charm. I don't know if the bootblock of the BIOS is different or what, but maybe it will help others unfortunate enough to suffer the same tragedy and kill their 875P Neo.
I am back up and running with v1.5 which seems most stable to me versus the other revs and I've tried them all three times or more (1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.32b, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.74b). And although I am not able to eek out any more mhz from the box, I can run tighter timings and the system gaining about 400 points in 3dMark2001. And it DEFINITELY seems more stable than ever. But I'm sure it's just my imagination :P

Yeah ive been considering going back to 1.5 to get rid of the crappy performance option (unstable overclock on the AGP/PCI and graphics card)
Does 1.5 enable PAT? ...i never managed to test this myself (Its the only option i need from performance modes)
I havent had the pleasure of the recovery mode yet (touch wood) ...and good job on making it back!! :D

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