Can't re-install Panther 10.3

Hi,
My blue G4 has been acting up latel so I want to completely re-install 10.3. I am running 10.3.9 right now and when I try to install my 10.3 disks, I get the message I ccannot install Mac OS 10.3 on this volume. A newer OS is installed. I have everything that I need backed up so I want to do a complete install and erase everything. How can I do this?
Thanks.

olobay1:
I have everything that I need backed up so I want to do a complete install and erase everything. How can I do this?
Formatting, Partitioning Zeroing a Hard Disk Drive
Warning! This procedure will destroy all data on your Hard Disk Drive. Be sure you have an up-to-date, tested backup of at least your Users folder and any third party applications you do not want to re-install before attempting this procedure.
Boot from the install CD holding down the "C" key.
Select language
Go to the Utilities menu (Tiger) Installer menu (Panther & earlier) and launch Disk Utility.
Select your HDD (manufacturer ID) in left side bar.
Select Partition tab in main panel. (You are about to create a single partition volume.)
Select number of partition in pull-down menu above Volume diagram.
(Note: 1 partition is normally better for an internal HDD. External HDDs usually have more than one)
Type in name in Name field (usually Macintosh HD)
Select Volume Format as Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
Click Partition button at bottom of panel.
Select Erase tab
Select the a volume under Manufacturer ID (usually Macintosh HD).
Check to be sure your Volume Name and Volume Format are correct.
Select on Security Options button (Tiger) Options button (Panther & earlier).
Select Zero all data. (This process will map out bad blocks on your HDD. However, it could take several hours.)
Click OK.
Click Erase button
Quit Disk Utility after Erase.
Open installer and begin installation process.
Choose to Customize and deselect Foreign Language Translations and Additional Printer drivers.
Check box to install X11.
Proceed with installation.
After installation computer will restart for setup.
After setup, reboot computer.
Go to Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility.
Select your HDD (manufacturer ID) in left side bar.
Select First Aid in main panel.
Click Repair Disk Permissions.
Connect to Internet.
Download and install 10.3.9 Combo Update
Computer will restart after updates.
Go to Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility.
Select your HDD (manufacturer ID) in left side bar.
Select First Aid in main panel.
Click Repair Disk Permissions.
Please post back with further questions or comments.
Good luck.
cornelius

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OK, I've posted this also on OS 10.3 and earlier.
Here's a short story:
Panther ran beautifully fore quite a while, then started to have kernel panics due to faulty RAM.
I just replaced the 2 128 Mb sticks that were faulty with a brand new 512 from Crucial.
But still could'nt start-up in Panther. Got freezes during installation always on the first CD. Also got panics (cpu 0) or "can't find PowerMac drive".
Ran DiskWarrior and there was a whole bunch of stuff wrong and repaired.
Still same symptoms.
Everything was backed-up and I zeroe'd the HD
Then re-installed OS 9.1, updated with OS 9.2.1 with CD. All was well, then I could'nt install Panther. Same symptoms.
I got fed-up, changed the HD, brand new Western Digital 80 GB.
Started over again and same results: OS9 OK, no-go on Panther...
I can install OS 10.0.3 that came with the beast but can't upgrade to 10.1 with the CD that also came with the iMAc. Say's that the installer unexpectadely quit (error 0)...
Panther disks are retail, could they be faulty ???
Any ideas anyone
Thanks

Hi Ron,
This is what I have on Open Firmware:
Apple Powermac4, 1 4.1.9f1 BootROM built on 09/14/01 at 13:18:04
Yesterday and last night I ran the Hardware Test in loop mode and got twice an error concerning the modem. It is not and was not in use recently and normally I use the Ethernet connection for WWW.
The error code was: modm/2/8
First time on loop 13, second time on loop 45
On restart, I had the pleasure of having the question mark, so I tried booting with Panther CDs and only got panics.
On the first time there was only the dark window asking to restart. On the second try, I got the usual: (CPU 0) Unable to find driver... and lower: no debugger configured...
So I booted with the OS 9 CD, repaired the disk and got:
Invalid catalog record type,4,1499
SOS can not repair disk
I repaired a second and third time and both were then OK.
Because I have nothing of consequence on the HD and a bit out of frustation, I reformatted (extended) and reinstalled OS 9 and all went OK.
This is were I'm at now, had to leave for work.
This modem error, could it be the culprit?
Is it repairable?
I'm still not convinced about the Panther CDs, I'll try to find another set.
I'll post this also on my other thread in OS X 10.3 and earlier to keep Gulliver informed.
Ciao
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Stuck: can't re-install Panther, only 10.0.3

OK, I've posted this also on iMac CRT.
Here's a short story:
Panther ran beautifully fore quite a while, then started to have kernel panics due to faulty RAM.
I just replaced the 2 128 Mb sticks that were faulty with a brand new 512 from Crucial.
But still could'nt start-up in Panther. Got freezes during installation always on the first CD. Also got panics (cpu 0) or "can't find PowerMac drive".
Ran DiskWarrior and there was a whole bunch of stuff wrong and repaired.
Still same symptoms.
Everything was backed-up and I zeroe'd the HD
Then re-installed OS 9.1, updated with OS 9.2.1 with CD. All was well, then I could'nt install Panther. Same symptoms.
I got fed-up, changed the HD, brand new Western Digital 80 GB.
Started over again and same results: OS9 OK, no-go on Panther...
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Panther disks are retail, could they be faulty ???
Any ideas anyone
Thanks

Well, it is mind bogling cause:
1) OS 9.2.1 is installed and bootable
2) OS X ver 0.3 is installed and bootable
Both OS run fine.
I tried again this morning by booting with the Panther CD's:
- still no possibility to repair OS 9
- still offers only an Archive and Install, that failed.
I went to look in the Receipts file but there's only packages concerning OS 10.0, nothing on 10.3
I couldn't start in Single User to fiddle around with it maybe I could try stuff in Terminal
I had to leave for work,(yes even on Easter...) so I started the Apple Hardware Test in loop mode and I'll see around midnite if something shows up.
There's nothing important on the HD so I could erase everything and start over but I don't feel it will work since I've just did that.
I think it's something else,
- Bad CD (it's 10.3.0
- Bad RAM (even though it's brand new, I'll have to check it with Memtest if I can run it)
- Bad wiring somewhere inside
- Bad luck...
If there's any other ideas, there welcome of course...
Happy Easter all
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a week ago, my iBook G4 got stuck and needed to restart it by holding down the power button.
When it restarted, it stopped at the grey screen (before the Apple logo).
Since then I've done the following:
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A Lombard with 192mb RAM should be able to run up to Panther 10.3.9. More RAM would be better.
If the disks are retail (full-install), you don't have to have any previous OS installed. Mac OS 9 is separate, so you can have both Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 installed and switch between the two at will.
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The only way I can see to install on a Lombard without an optical drive is to remove the internal drive, install it into a FireWire external drive case, and connect it to another PowerPC (not Intel) Mac to perform the installation. Then, put the drive back into the Lombard.
Also, since you have a nice Mac mini for Mac OS X, it might be good to keep that Lombard a pure Mac OS 9 machine. In its current config, it's a great Mac for Mac OS 9.

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first of all, sorry for my bad english, and lack of capitals : i am using an old version of internet explorer version 5 i guess, which does not recognise the french characters, accents, capitals and the rest...
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I hope someone can help- I've spent days futzing with my computer and combing the discussions and support articles and am still stumped.
I recently received a used white iBook G3 from a friend with OS 9.1 on it. I want to upgrade it to Panther. I read in these forums that I needed to upgrade the startup disk to 9.2 in order to be able to start up from the Panther cds so I did that. I still could not get the computer to start up from the cd in order to install OS 10.3. I tried choosing in startup, pressing c as i restarted, pressing option as I restarted, no luck. Then I tried as I read somewhere here, pressing X as I restarted- and joyful day, I got the music and the OS X welcome. I got through the next couple pages asking me to set up internet, mail and to register (which I couldn't complete bc I wasn't hooked up to the internet) and then I was at an OS X desktop without actually having installed, didn't get to customize, choose archive and install or anything. Turns out I'm now in 10.0.3 and don't seem to be able to install Panther or install anything from the 2nd or 3rd cd! Was anything installed? I don't have iPhoto or many other things. Did a half install take place? Restarting from cd 1 does nothing. And I can't install anything off of cd 2 or 3. Please help!
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Your post is quite confusing as you say you want to install Panther but somehow installed 10.0.3. ("Turns out I'm now in 10.0.3 and don't seem to be able to install Panther or install anything from the 2nd or 3rd cd!") First, unless you installed many of the extras all of Panther will install from one or two CDs.
Second, you don't need OS 9 at all. If you plan to run OS 9 applications and use Classic while running OS X, then you need to install OS 9.1 or higher, but OS 9 is not required in any way for OS X.
Because you've provided no useful information on the actual model and configuration of your Mac, it's pretty difficult to go much further. Installing Panther requires a minimum of 128 MBs of installed RAM and at least an 8 GB hard drive. For any practical use you really need about 512 MBs of installed RAM and a 20 GB hard drive.
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At the top of this page you will see a navbar link titled "Manuals." Click on it and you will be able to track down a PDF copy of the User Guide for your computer as well as guides for OS X. I recommend you obtain the manuals and read them thoroughly.
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molecularpenguin, welcome to Apple Discussions.
You have to install Tiger. You can't install an OS older than the OS that came on the Mac.
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If your friend's iBook is a "Late 2005" and yours is an "Early 2004", then his iBook would have come with Mac OS X 10.4. This copy of 10.4 will not install on any other kind of computer. However, you could buy a retail copy of Mac OS X 10.4. This would not get you the AppleWorks or iLife that originally came with your iBook, however. You could also buy a retail copy of iLife, but with the two purchases together, it would be cheaper to pay Apple for copies of your correct disks...
Although I'm not sure how I can find the processor speed without my iBook working.
If you open the keyboard, there will be a sticker inside that has some information about your iBook. It should say something like "1.2GHz G4/512/40/AP/BT". That would be a 1.2GHz G4 with 512MB of RAM (built-in), a 40GB hard drive, an AirPort card, and Bluetooth.
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