Can't touch second card in MSI afterburner.

Hi, I recently crossfired an MSI 5830 with an MSI 5850 on my Asus M4A89gtd pro/USB3 motherboard. Both of the cards are twin frozr II.
Before the crossfire I had the 5830 single.
The motherboard has 2 pci-e slots, and the bottom one is the master card slot.
So, at first, I put the 5850 in the master card slot because it was the more powerful card.
I booted the computer up and everything worked fine, crossfire elabled and it was stable. So I went to MSI afterburner to start overclocking.
I can do whatever I want to the 5850, change volts, core clock, memory clock, fan.
But when I go to the settings and switch to the 5830 to overclock it, I can't do a single thing to it without the computer freezing.
I've tried many different drivers and none of them made a difference.
I've discovered though that if I disable the "Sync settings for similar graphics processors" option, I can change the voltage and fan options, but they don't do anything.
If I adjust the core clock or the memory clock though, it freezes.
So, I switched the cards around, and put the 5830 in the master card slot, and the 5850 in the other slot.
The results are that I can overclock both cards with no freezing.
Now, I don't know if this is how I HAVE to do it, but I would prefer the 5850 to be the master card so it does most of the work. Maybe that won't work though because the 5850 is faster than the 5830 and thus it has to be the 2nd card.
*Note* Even though the 5830 is in the master card slot, MSI afterburner still recognises it as the master card or "GPU-1".
I've also stopped CCC from starting when windows boots up, and I've also disabled ULPS.
So, can anybody please tell me if there is a way to have the 5850 be in the master card slot?
Or, do I have to use the 5830 for that?
This could also be a hardware/motherboard thing and not MSI afterburner.
One more thing, after a computer reboot, the first time you open the settings in afterburner, it crashes and said it stopped working.
So I have to click on the desktop icon to open it again, but after that I can open the setting however much I want without a problem, it's just after you reboot it does that once.
I don't know if this helps or not but I think it's worth mentioning.
I'm using afterburner v2.1.0 beta 5 and the newest, 10.12 drivers.
Can anybody please help me?
Thanks,
Randy

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o   Ported to new Logitech API to provide support for newer Logitech LCD displays
o   Added support for color LCD display of Logitech G19/G19s keyboards
o   Added graph mode support for color LCD display of Logitech G19/G19s keyboards. Now in addition to previously available text mode you can optionally select graph mode and see exact copy of MSI Afterburner’s monitoring graphs displayed directly inside the keyboard LCD. You can also press “Menu” soft button on your Logitech G19/G19S keyboard to toggle between text and graph modes dynamically in realtime
o   Added acceleration support to LCD scrolling implementation
o   Added larger 8x12, 10x12, 12x12 and 12x16 fonts support for text mode
•   Added “Regional settings” section to “User Interface” tab:
o   Temperature format settings allow you to switch between Celsius and Fahrenheit format for monitored temperatures. Please take a note that this setting affects temperature readouts only. Hardware related temperature adjustments (e.g. fan speed to temperature mapping curve for all cards or temperature target adjustment for NVIDIA Kepler series) are always being displayed and adjusted in Celsius for maximum unification, safety and compatibility
o   12 hours / 24 hours time format settings allow you to configure time format for On-Screen Display and hardware monitoring window
•   Added “Enable low-level IO driver” option to the “Compatibility properties” section in “General” tab
•   Added SLI sync performance limit graph for release 340 and newer NVIDIA drivers
•   Display device enumeration implementation has been modified slightly to allow monitoring Intel iGPUs when low-level IO driver is not enabled
•   Improved handshaking algorithm reduces the risk of seeing multiple running instances of child processes (e.g. RTSS)
•   Optimized hardware polling for NVIDIA graphics cards
•   Optimized hardware polling for multi-GPU systems
•   Added SVI2 voltage control support via AMD ADL SDK to provide compatibility with future graphics cards
•   Added automatic prerecording settings to “Videocapture” tab. When you enable automatic mode prerecording session is being started automatically on each 3D application startup. Please take a note that in this case you can still use video prerecord hotkey to stop then manually restart prerecording session if necessary
•   Drastically improved skin engine:
o   Improved skin compiler gives more detailed error messages when skin compilation fail due to error in some source image file
o   Source image file format is no longer limited to 24-bit BMP files only. Now skin compiler supports all possible bit depths for BMP format and fully supports PNG format with alpha channel
o   Added built-in bitmap effect for extracting alpha-channel from PNG image files
o   Skin format has been upgraded to v1.3. New format supports alpha channel based transparency for skinned window, allowing skin designers to define semi-transparent skin areas, apply antialiasing to the skin window edges and so on
o   Added new skinned window composition modes support and “Skin composition mode” settings to “User interface tab”. New settings allows you to use one of the following modes:
o   Traditional mode – suits best for backward compatibility with existing skins and performance testing
o   Layered mode with colorkey - provides much faster rendering of skins with non-rectangular window shape and additionally allows you to adjust transparency of skinned window
o   Layered mode with alpha – provides per-pixel alpha channel support and advanced visual effects for compatible skins and also allows you to adjust transparency of skinned window
o   Skin format reference guide has been updated to v1.7 to document these changes
o   Improved implementation of rollback to default skin
o   Full skins cross-compatibility with other overclocking applications based on RivaTuner engine. Special GUI transformation layer allows you to use the skins designed for third party RivaTuner based overclocking applications and makes the process of migration to MSI Afterburner from such overclocking tools much more comfortable for you. You can keep the look and feel of your preferred overclocking application and at the same time enjoy extended MSI Afterburner’s features including full range of supported graphics cards, industry leading powerful and robust monitoring module, flexible video recording features and many more
•   RivaTuner Statistics Server has been upgraded to v6.2.0
The added MSI R9 280 series voltage control support might be what many of the users of these cards are waiting for as the majority lacked any overvoltage support so far. After release of 4.0.0 final there will be no more public betas of Afterburner but private testing as said before.

Can't touch second card in MSI afterburner.

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