Can't update iOS software

I just tried [last night and today] to update my iPad software to 5.1 -- can't do it "the network connection could not be established" - no error codes.  I hit more info and read the KB article and followed all steps, all other software is up to date.  This has gone on for 2 days now = and last night I tried to update the software on the Apple TV and it would not do that either = no network connection.  But we rented and watched a movie just fine, the network here is fine [I'm oneline and have been] -- I can't even do a Restore operation because when I try to do that to download the software to do it I get the same lack of connection = but the iPad shows up in USB listings in System Info.
I think there must be something server side...ideas?

I finally did get my iPad to update last night = turnned it off, turned it back on after a bit.  Then tried to update by WiFi [no connected] and lst time no go but hit Retry and it worked.
A friend said there were lots of people updating the same software and maybe it was the crush.  The ATV still hasn't updated but isn't mission critical and I'm sure I'll get it working soon.  It works, just needs updating.

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