Can't Upgrade from Panther (10.3.9) to Tiger

Hello, this is my first post and need HELP!!
I just purchased PowerMac G5 1.8 Dual Refurbished from Apple Store, and came with 10.3 installed and Tiger Upgrade DVD...
I tried to to upgrade to Tiger, but I can't.... I am getting "Hold Down Power Button" to restart my computer error... and Kernel Panic..... I also tried to boot from C drive, and that didn't work also..... anyone knows answer to these problem... Thanks.....

Thanks....
I contacted AppleCare, and Service Care Rep walked me through many troubleshoots for hours.... by the way, he was very cool..... after testing my G5, there's nothing wrong with the hardware accroding to him..... he thinks I have a bad installer DVD, so he is sending me new copy..... hopefully, that'll take care of my problem.....

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Welcome to Apple Discussions!
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http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607614
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Is this as straightforward as buying the upgrade?
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Turn off sleep mode for both screen and hard disk.
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Jaguar and Panther, are no longer available directly from the Apple Online Store, as Tiger 10.4.x is the most up to date OS.
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Additional info in these links.
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Download The Order Form Here. Media Exchange Program
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Wow, Panther server. Ah the memories... Anyway, what you are running into is an issue with the actual Apple RAID software versions. If you run this command:
diskutil checkRaid
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Apple RAID version: 1
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CPU Speed: 1.5 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
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What's the difference between getting an external hard drive vs. the card? I'll definitely go with 160GB to be on the safe side.
See my reply in your other thread.
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Unless... this may sound silly, but can I save it on disks or something? (I don't have the original install disks anymore).
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