Can Version XI save in Version 8.5 format?

Post Author: Steve Bolton
CA Forum: Older Products
Hello,Our company has version 8.5 in our service department and I have version 11 in the accounting department. Service asked me to modify some reports for them, which I did.  Now they cannot access them as they saved in an incompatible format for 8.5 to access.  Is it possible for version 11 to save in prior version formats?  If not, is there any way I can get this report back to version 8.5?Thanks for your help.Steve 

Post Author: ejthunder
CA Forum: Older Products
It is true that CR9, 10, XI, and XI R2 are essentially the same (with added functinality in newer releases).  Any reports written in CR9 and later can be opened with any version as long as it is CR9 or later.  New functionality will be ingored if a newer version report is opened in an older version of Crystal.
Unfortunately this is not the case with CR8.5.  There were major changes to Crystal Reports with the release of CR9, so CR8.5 can not recognize newer report versions at all.  There is no work around for this.  If you do not have back up copies of the report you will have to rebuild them in CR8.5.
EJ

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