[Cannot be resolved] Mega Pc 651 and sblive 5.1

Good Morning
I have a problem of compatibility between sound card SBLIVE 5.1 and Mega Pc 651 :
when I use "MEGARADIO", the sound doesn't work
Same problem when the pc is turned off, no sound even if i play a mp3's cd...
i've apply the patch given on http://www.msi-computer.fr/index.php?id=18&type_dl=6 (PATCH SoundBlaster Live) => no effect
Is there a solution ? (without using internal sound card)
PS : I also think for those which uses sound card superior than 5.1

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go into the windows volume control properties, and check there are volume controls for Radio and TV Tuner, and they are unmuted when the relevant app is running
Play control when i lauch Mega Radio :
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i'm afraid though that in hifi mode you'll need to connect your speakers to the on-board sound, the hifi mode won't work with other soundcards
So, if i want to updrade to 7.1, it will never work under hifi mode
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why use the sblive 5.1 anyway? its quite an old card, and the on-board realtek audio is pretty good, and supports 5.1 sound anyway!
if the answer is because you need the gameport, then I suggest you upgrade your game controller to a modern USB type!
I cannot invest for the moment
thx for your answer

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MEGA 651 =

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[javac] ----------
[javac] 23. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 53)
[javac] static TopicConnectionFactory tcf = null;
[javac] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[javac] TopicConnectionFactory cannot be resolved (or is not a valid type) for the field MdbClient.tcf
[javac] ----------
[javac] 24. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 54)
[javac] static TopicPublisher tp = null;
[javac] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[javac] TopicPublisher cannot be resolved (or is not a valid type) for the field MdbClient.tp
[javac] ----------
[javac] 25. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 55)
[javac] static Topic topic = null;
[javac] ^^^^^
[javac] Topic cannot be resolved (or is not a valid type) for the field MdbClient.topic
[javac] ----------
[javac] 26. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 66)
[javac] tcf = (TopicConnectionFactory) ictx.lookup(conFactName );
[javac] ^^^
[javac] tcf cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 27. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 66)
[javac] tcf = (TopicConnectionFactory) ictx.lookup(conFactName );
[javac] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[javac] TopicConnectionFactory cannot be resolved or is not a type
[javac] ----------
[javac] 28. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 67)
[javac] System.out.println("JMS client: tcf = " + tcf.toString());
[javac] ^^^
[javac] tcf cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 29. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 69)
[javac] topic = (Topic) ictx.lookup(topicName);
[javac] ^^^^^
[javac] topic cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 30. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 69)
[javac] topic = (Topic) ictx.lookup(topicName);
[javac] ^^^^^
[javac] Topic cannot be resolved or is not a type
[javac] ----------
[javac] 31. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 75)
[javac] TopicConnection tc = null;
[javac] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[javac] TopicConnection cannot be resolved or is not a type
[javac] ----------
[javac] 32. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 76)
[javac] TopicSession session = null;
[javac] ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[javac] TopicSession cannot be resolved or is not a type
[javac] ----------
[javac] 33. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 78)
[javac] tc = tcf.createTopicConnection();
[javac] ^^^
[javac] tcf cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 34. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 80)
[javac] session = tc.createTopicSession(false, Session.AUTO_ACKNOWLEDGE);
[javac] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[javac] Session cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 35. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 81)
[javac] tp = session.createPublisher(topic);
[javac] ^^
[javac] tp cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 36. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 81)
[javac] tp = session.createPublisher(topic);
[javac] ^^^^^
[javac] topic cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 37. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 90)
[javac] TextMessage message;
[javac] ^^^^^^^^^^^
[javac] TextMessage cannot be resolved or is not a type
[javac] ----------
[javac] 38. ERROR in C:\Java\Workspace\MDBTest\com\iratensolutions\test\MdbClient.java (at line 94)
[javac] tp.publish(message);
[javac] ^^
[javac] tp cannot be resolved
[javac] ----------
[javac] 38 problems (38 errors)
[javac] BUILD FAILED: file:C:/Java/Workspace/MDBTest/com/iratensolutions/test/build.xml:107: Compile failed; see the compiler error output for details.
Total time: 610 milliseconds
Thank you for your help

Hi,
You need to place ejb.jar and jms.jar present in
<jonAs-home>\lib\common\j2ee directory in the classpath.
-Amol

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Hi,
I have been having for a few years the MSI Mega PC 651, from a few days it works only in way HIFI but in way PC doesn't work anymore.
I have read on this forum that the problem is the PSU, but it seems that cannot be found.
I have contacted both MSI Italy and MSI global, nobody has responded me.
What must I do?
Do I throw the Mega PC away?

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