Cannot su at all

I all,
I did a upgrade last Sunday (mainly for xorg) and after that, I cannot "su". Details:
starting kde session with regular user (example, john). Open a konsole, and I cannot su even to myself, "su john"). "su" asks me for a passord, but no matter I wrote there, it says "incorrect password" - and I am typing riht .
The error reported in /var/log/auth.log is
Nov 13 04:00:01 barto-arch su: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=1000 tty=pts/0 ruser=john rhost= user=root
starting text console session. Same behavior.
If I change /etc/pam.d/su allowing wheel group and adding john to that group, then when I do "su", the error is the same, but no password is requested.
Because it happens both in text and graphics console, is not related to kde, but perhaps xorg? Or "pam_unix.so"?
By the way, I can use "sudo" without problems
Any idea?
Thanks,
Peibol.

Hi Dheart,
I'm supposing it was an update because I did it as always did:
su - ; pacman -Sy; pacman -Suw
and if I don't see nothing out of place,
pacman -Su
After that, the problem. The main update was 2007-11-11. Then 2007-11-13 arround 0:00 I did another upgrade, just in case. At 2007-11-13 04:34 I did a downgrade of a few packages, but the problem still remains (yes, I cannot sleep for other reasons).
So if you or other members could see what happens, I will be a help. I was reviewing a lot of /etc files to try to find the problem. Could it be some kernel feature? Does anyone know?
Here is/var/log/pacman.log
The packages downgraded are clearly visibles in the log file.
Prior to 11-11 the upgrade was tree weeks ago.
[2007-11-11 14:59] sincronizando la lista de paquetes
[2007-11-11 14:59] iniciando la actualización completa del sistema
[2007-11-11 15:29] iniciando la actualización completa del sistema
[2007-11-11 15:29] eliminado slocate (3.1-3)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado tzdata (2007h-1 -> 2007i-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] advertencia: /etc/locale.gen instalado como /etc/locale.gen.pacnew
[2007-11-11 15:29] reloading init: done.
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> ATTENTION INTERNATIONAL USERS:
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==>
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> Locales are no longer included in the glibc package.
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> They are generated by /usr/sbin/locale-gen depending on the contents
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> of /etc/locale.gen.
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> glibc will try to autodetect the required locales now, if you need
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> additional locales, please enable them in /etc/locale.gen and run
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> /usr/sbin/locale-gen
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==>
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==> Check /etc/locale.gen.pacnew for new supported locales
[2007-11-11 15:29] ==>
[2007-11-11 15:29] Generating locales...
[2007-11-11 15:29] es_ES.UTF-8... done
[2007-11-11 15:29] es_ES.ISO-8859-1... done
[2007-11-11 15:29] es_ES.ISO-8859-15@euro... done
[2007-11-11 15:29] Generation complete.
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado glibc (2.7-4 -> 2.7-6)
[2007-11-11 15:29] mlocate command is technically locate, but slocate is symlinked and still works.
[2007-11-11 15:29] You should run updatedb as root.
[2007-11-11 15:29] instalado mlocate (0.18-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado codecs (20061022-2 -> 20071007-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado glproto (1.4.8-1 -> 1.4.9-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado imagemagick (6.3.6.6-1 -> 6.3.6.10-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado libsamplerate (0.1.2-3 -> 0.1.2-4)
[2007-11-11 15:29] k3b: If you have a DVD-Burner, you should install 'dvd+rw-tools'
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado k3b (1.0.3-2 -> 1.0.4-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado k3b-i18n (1.0.3-1 -> 1.0.4-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado lftp (3.6.0-1 -> 3.6.1-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado libarchive (2.2.6-2 -> 2.4.0-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] NOTE
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[2007-11-11 15:29] Add your user to group 'camera' to use camera devices.
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado libgphoto2 (2.3.1-3 -> 2.4.0-2)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado xcb-proto (1.0-1 -> 1.1-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado libxcb (1.0-2 -> 1.1-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado libx11 (1.1.3-4 -> 1.1.3-6)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado mesa (6.5.2-1 -> 7.0.1-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado mplayer (1.0rc1-8 -> 1.0rc2-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado renderproto (0.9.2-1 -> 0.9.3-1)
[2007-11-11 15:29] actualizado sqlite3 (3.5.1-1 -> 3.5.2-1)
[2007-11-11 15:30] Updating font cache... done.
[2007-11-11 15:30] actualizado ttf-dejavu (2.20-1 -> 2.21-1)
[2007-11-11 15:30] actualizado xf86-input-keyboard (1.1.1-1 -> 1.2.2-2)
[2007-11-11 15:30] actualizado xf86-input-mouse (1.2.1-1 -> 1.2.3-1)
[2007-11-11 15:30] actualizado xf86-video-vesa (1.3.0-1 -> 1.3.0-5)
[2007-11-11 15:30] instalado pixman (0.9.6-1)
[2007-11-11 15:30] :: Another libwfb has been detected.
[2007-11-11 15:30] actualizado xorg-server (1.2.0-5 -> 1.4-5)
[2007-11-13 00:03] sincronizando la lista de paquetes
[2007-11-13 00:03] iniciando la actualización completa del sistema
[2007-11-13 00:04] iniciando la actualización completa del sistema
[2007-11-13 00:04] actualizado fakeroot (1.7.1-3 -> 1.8.4-1)
[2007-11-13 00:04] actualizado hal-info (0.20071011-1 -> 0.20071030-1)
[2007-11-13 00:04] actualizado lm_sensors (2.10.5-1 -> 2.10.5-2)
[2007-11-13 00:04] actualizado tcl (8.4.16-1 -> 8.4.16-2)
[2007-11-13 00:04] actualizado tk (8.4.16-1 -> 8.4.16-2)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado xcb-proto (1.1-1)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado libxcb (1.1-1)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado libx11 (1.1.3-6)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado mesa (7.0.1-1)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado renderproto (0.9.3-1)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado xf86-input-keyboard (1.2.2-2)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado xf86-input-mouse (1.2.3-1)
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado xf86-video-vesa (1.3.0-5)
[2007-11-13 04:34] ::Removing obsolete symlinks
[2007-11-13 04:34] eliminado xorg-server (1.4-5)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado xcb-proto (1.0-1)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado libxcb (1.0-2)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado libx11 (1.1.3-4)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado mesa (6.5.2-1)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado renderproto (0.9.2-1)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado xf86-input-keyboard (1.1.1-1)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado xf86-input-mouse (1.2.1-1)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado xf86-video-vesa (1.3.0-1)
[2007-11-13 04:40] instalado xorg-server (1.2.0-5)
Thanks Dheart,
Peibol

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