Canon 60D and HDV workflow

Looking for suggestions on this workflow...any better way to do it? I shoot and edit primarily in HDV, with a little added footage from a Canon 60D, resulting in two different video formats. I don't want to mix them in one timeline, requiring frequent renders -- so my solution for now is to ingest the 60D as prores 422, edit it in a prores timeline, then send to Compressor and downconvert to HDV 60i, which I can then bring into my main HDV project and easily mix. I have been happy editing in HDV despite frequent urgings in this forum to ingest as prores. So this is working but I'm still wondering is this the best route for combining these two formats. BTW 60D video looks good, except when you move the camera, so best shot locked down. Better than FX7 in low light. Nice machine, unobtrusive, good for candids.

Unless very little of the media is from the 60D and/or you have to output back to tape you're better off doing it the other way around. Gets you out of the whole world of conforming an MPEG codec, which is very weak codec for compositing.

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Are the photo's you're trying to view/download in Raw? I've had difficulty downloading Raw files, but have had no issues downloading JPEG files. Also, check a setting in your Canon, called communication. From what I've read (I'm a Nikon D5100 guy myself), communication needs to be set to PTP, not normal. I'm not sure how that will help if the pictures are already encoded?
Well scratch what I've written. I just googled the 60D and supposedly, JPEG and Raw are supposed to transfer through the SD card reader easily. So, I'm clueless. Sorry.......
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Hi, i have a canon 60d and i have been importing videos from it onto my mac for months but suddenly when i go on image capture or iphoto it no longer allows me to import them help!!!

Hi, i have a canon 60d and i have been importing videos from it onto my mac for months but suddenly when i go on image capture or iphoto it no longer allows me to import them help!!!

Have you launched and tired Image Capture? When it's launched with the iPad connected the photos will display in the window. Select those you want to upload and use the Import to: menu and select Other. Navigate to the Desktop and select the folder you created to hold those photos.

Canon HV20 24P HDV workflow, Some things with FCP and Quicktime are ODD.

Canon HV20, 24P, HDV, CMOS sensor...
First, I do hope and pray that the FCP dudes are making this work native at HDV 24p -- great!
But until then, there's a workflow (see below) and a real oddity I can't figure out, and if anyone has any thoughts about it that would be great.
Sometimes, the image captured/shown/exported is a lighter picture, and other capture/playing/export methods are darker picture. Example: the captured 60i from Final Cut Pro has a light gamma picture when viewed in Quicktime Player.
But playback in Final Cut Pro appears darker, and rich. But then exporting it out turns it light again, but export out to a MPEG-2 DVD is darker again? ODD.
Can anyone explain the FCP capture size of 1888 x 1062?
Anyhow, here is some workflow success that I had.
Capturing in Final Cut Pro using the HDV 1080/60i setting with HDV firewire basic NDF. But 60i is evil. So that's not enough. Got to get it to 24P,since that allows 20% more bandwidth, space, faster renders, and DVD players can play it.
Transcoding to a regular editing codec before converting to 24P is required. I found that MPEG Streamclip would create a wierd, jagged edges on small moving figures with high contrast, no matter what the settings, so I refuse to use it to export the footage.
So instead, FCP has an additional capture option of "Apple Intermediate Codec" or something like that, which transcribes it on the fly to AIC. I always stayed away from AIC like the plague, but they must have spent some time with it because it's nearly identical to the HDV original.
Next, open up in Quicktime Player, and start the clip on that second P frame. Sounds odd, I know. Goto the first interlaced frame, and back up two frames. Mark the "I", and then move that Out marker to the end, and then Trim the clip to the selection. Do that with all the clips, and then you can batch 24P them all.
If you don't want to find that one frame each time, here are the other settings:
First, open up the clip inside cinema tools, and then select Rev. Telecine button.
Find out which of these your clip is doing at the very beginning:
p-p-i-i-p - aa
p-i-i-p-p - bb
i-p-p-p-i - bc
p-p-p-i-i - cd
i-i-p-p-p - this is no good. must remove at least one frame from the beginning of source file
i = interlaced frame
p = progressive frame
all settings use the F1-F2, style one, standard upper/lower

Sometimes, the image captured/shown/exported is a lighter picture, and other capture/playing/export methods are darker picture. Example: the captured 60i from Final Cut Pro has a light gamma picture when viewed in Quicktime Player.
But playback in Final Cut Pro appears darker, and rich. But then exporting it out turns it light again, but export out to a MPEG-2 DVD is darker again? ODD.
This is known. This happens with ANY footage you look at in FCP and QT player. QT lightens the gamma of the footage. Why? Something to do with adjusting the image for computer monitors.
Shane

Canon HV20 and HDV footage

Hello All,
I recently purchased a Canon HV20, but have only recorded and edited in SD DV.
Today I was reading a clip on the internet that gave me a bit of a surprised. Here is a part of the clip,
[This article was first published in the Sept/Oct, 2007, issue of
Larry's Final Cut Pro Newsletter.]
First, Allan Tépper writes:
I am writing to offer help for Justin Ascott's 24p workflow with the Canon HV20. The 24p recording of the Canon HV20 has much in common with the 24p recording of the Sony HVR-V1.
To answer Justin Ascott specifically: The FCP Easy Setup called HDV-1080/24p will not work with 24p footage from the HV20 or the Sony V1. "
Has anyone here had any experience with FCE and capturing HDV footage from a Canon HV20? Is the statement above true?
Thanks for your help.
Mike

I wonder why my PAL one doesn't do 24p?
Normal HDV will work perfectly with FCE except it will have to be converted into the Apple Intermediate Codec.
The Easy Setup is "HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60".
I don't think shooting in HDV and then converting to SD DV will look any better than normal SD but you will have the HDV master tape which can be used to produce Blu-ray DVDs at a later date when they become cheaper and more popular.
An hour of AIC will take around 40 GB of HD space.
As with everything it is worth doing quick tests involving something unimportant to determine which workflow suits you. Use DVD-RWs when testing to avoid waste.
Remember that you can export your HDV edited project back to tape in your camera and connect it to an HD TV for high definition playback.
I am not too keen on this because of the extra wear it puts on the camera and tape.
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*Shocked* by the performance of Canon DPP, and DDP workflow with Aperture

I love Aperture. My brother mercilessly hounded me for two years, and when Aperture 2 came out, I gave it a shot. Aperture 3, despite my nightmare conversion story, has been a dream come true . . . until I discovered sharpening.
In my quest to get sharper photos, I've toyed with image stabilization, tripods, higher shutter speeds, steadying the camera, and depth of field, and even bought several professional lenses. My photos STILL did not look as sharp as those I saw in galleries and online. But wait . . . my JPEG files from my sporting events did . . .
I read that RAW files are not sharp, and sharpening is applied to JPEGs on the camera. But why is Aperture and my MBP not able to sharpen photos well using any one of the three sharpening sliders or the sharpening tool? I was then led to DPP, kicking and screaming. What I discovered was truly amazing.
Forget about the personal opinions with warmth and contrast between Aperture, ACR, and DPP. DPP is the unquestioned leader in producing sharp photos from RAW images. You drag the slider . . . it's sharp. It's even sharper than the photos I've spent 20 minutes sharpening in CS5 with sharpening masks, sharpening tool, etc. The DPP tool JUST WORKS. Even noise with high ISO is MUCH improved. High noise still can use an expensive tool to correct, but still MUCH better than Aperture.
Until Canon reveals their secrets to Apple and Adobe for RAW processing, I need to figure out a way to use DPP for RAW processing.
For those that use DPP for RAW processing, how to you work it into your workflow? I want Aperture to be a one-stop shop, but I don't want to store the original RAW, the DPP-edited RAW, and potentially a TIFF for additional editing and noise reduction?
Do you sort in Aperture first? Do you convert in DPP first? How do you maintain file integrity, and at the same time, minimize disk space usage?
If you no longer use DDP, please tell me why, and how you've worked around it?

All I can say is, either I've been in the weeds all this time, or your skills with sharpening are better than most.
A couple of questions:
1-What do you use under Sharpening for and Edges under "RAW fine tuning" you thankfully shared your settings for Edge Sharpen (^s)
2-What camera and RAW format are you using (this may help me fine-tune my preferences). I've got a 7D and primarily shoot MRAW. (Not the best for a couple reasons, but I don't need or want the large file sizes.)
To be sure, default sharpening in Aperture is pretty bad. And I have played with sharpening going on 40 hours now over several months. I could not get a good result.
Your documenting the exact settings and sharpening tool is what helped me get past whatever I was doing before. Maybe I was thrown by the higher default contrast in DPP. I'm now able to produce a better result in Aperture than DPP, or even my laboriously-sharpened photos on Photoshop. There are some tradeoffs in each, but I didn't want to use DDP as part of my workflow. Now that I've used it more, I'm convinced I don't!
And the definition setting is very useful. It's the only mainstream adjustment I've never really used.

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Canon EOS 60D and Log and Transfer in FCP

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Then I came across a forum that mentioned the Canon EOS Plugin on the Canon European website saying it worked for them. I down loaded it and it did work.
Here's the link to the Canon EOS FCP Plugin that works for theEOS 60D
http://software.canon-europe.com/software/0039308.asp
And unlike the American Canon website it does mention that it works with the 60D
Hope this helps someone else.
Russ

I can think of 2 things to check.
1. The Scratch disc has plenty of space.
2. System Settings>Scratch Disc does not have a restriction in the Limit Capture/Export File Size Segment To:
Al

Canon 60D work flow

I have just purchased the Canon 60d and would like some advice on editing work flow. Right now I have not upgraded to fcp 7. Would this make a difference when using the tape-less workflow? How about a RAM recommendation for DSLR HD editing? Any other advice that might help me ease into editing footage from this camera.
Thanks

FCP 7 will give you more options with ProRes. Proxy, LQ, 4444 in addition to SQ and HQ available in FCP 6.
Be sure to copy the entire card to your hard drive when transfering your content.
Don't edit the native H264 files, convert to ProRes LQ or SQ is good enough.
RAM isn't an issue so long as you have a minimum of 4Gb, (all that FCP can access) add more if you run a number apps at once.

All clips from Canon 60D come out lagging

I just recently bought both a Canon 60D and Final Cut Pro X for my Macbook Pro. I have since tried repeatedly, in several ways, to upload my shot footage from that camera, and all of it lags and is choppy, at many points, having the frames dropped left and right.
I have tried:
1). Converting my .mov files to Apple ProRes
2). Changing the frame rate
3). Uploading the clips from their converted states off of a 1 TB hard drive into Final Cut
Among many others. The above methods didn't work.
I also tried editing the clips in Adobe Premiere... it lagged on there, too!
Two things though....
1). It DID play on iMovie just fine... along with Quicktime Player and a few other mediums that don't do what I want to do
2). Playback on the camera itself is smooth and clear just like I shot it.
HELP!! I've been trying to figure out my lagging issues for a week now. Help, PLEASE.

If they didn't play back smoothly with Pr or FCPX, I would wonder about hardware issues. Check to se that you have adequate free space on your system drive ~ 20% would be good. What are your system specs?
Also, here you're singling out the DSLR clips. How about HD footage from other sources?
Russ

Canon 60D RAW files

PSE 8 does not accept the RAW files of a Canon 60D and there are no updates for PSE 8. How can I load the RAW files in PSE 8

You need to update the camera raw plugin:
windows:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4810
mac:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4809
note: on macs this only updates the pse 8 editor camera raw plugin,
bridge will still not read the files.
MTSTUNER

Canon 60D - RAW files not opening

I have recently taken pictures with a Canon 60D and i am unable to open the raw files in ACR.
I am running PS CS5 and have ACR 6.7.
I have read forums which say that the 60D require 6.2 and yet i am still unable to view the files.
Other applications as the Digital Photo Professional open them fine when i have downloaded the drivers for that camera.
Can any one help?

The raw file you posted is not corrupt; however, it is from a 650D which wasn’t supported in ACR 6.7. See screen capture, below.
Do you have a 60D file that doesn’t work that you can post?
You could convert the 650D raw files to DNGs to process them in CS5/ACR 6.7, or upgrade to CS6/ACR 8.1 for $200, or subscribe to the creative cloud single-app, or perhaps expierment with Lightroom, with the longest timeframe would be available with LR 5.2 RC that expires Sept 30.
CC: http://www.adobe.com/photoshop
CS6: http://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_c reativesuite6.html?promoid=KFPMZ
DNGC: http://www.adobe.com/dngconverter
LR: http://www.adobe.com/lightroom
LR RC: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom5-2/

Canon 60d Camera Raw

Just bought a Canon 60d and unable to process my cr2 files unless i use dng converter first. Any idea if an upgrade of camera Raw is due soon for CS5?

I have version 6 and when i download 6.4.1 from Adobe it says update is not applicable. I have downloaded ACR before and updated on CS3, and 4 but this one does not seem to work. When you go on the camera list for 6.4.1 it only says the 600d. But scroll down further and the 60d is covered in Lightroom 3£
Digital camera raw file support
Camera Raw 6.4.1
Mac OS
Windows®
Camera support for Photoshop CS5 and Lightroom 3
Support for the following cameras has been added from Camera Raw 6.3 to 6.4 and Lightroom 3.3 to 3.4.
Canon EOS 600D (Rebel T3i / Kiss X5 Digital)
Canon EOS 1100D (Rebel T3 / Kiss X50 Digital)
Fuji FinePix S200 EXR
Fuji FinePix F550 EXR
Fuji FinePix HS20 EXR
Fuji FinePix X100
Hasselblad H4D-40
Kodak EasyShare Z990
Nikon D5100
Olympus E-PL1s
Olympus E-PL2
Olympus XZ-1
Samsung NX11

Do I HAVE to upgrade to version 3 to see my Canon 60d RAW files?

I have the student edition of Lightroom 2 and have loved it for my Canon Rebel. I recently upgraded to a Canon 60d and am unable to access my raw files.
I really do not have the extra cash to shell out for an upgrade to version 3 at this point. Is there any other way for me to use and edit my raw files?
Thank you!

Support for the Canon 60D was introduced with ACR 6.2 (LR3.2. The work around would be to use the Latest DNG Converter to convert the raw files from your camera to DNG files. Then import the DNG files into Lightroom 2. and you will be fine. When you do the conversion its a good practice to retain the original raw files for use with your camera manufactures software, which will not work with the DNG copies. Also if you have not done so you should update your version 2 to the latest 2.7.
The link for the DNG converter is here.
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4807

CANON 60D images CR2

I bought a new canon 60D, and I currently own Mark III and using Camara Raw 4.1. How am I to open my new files using Camera Raw ver.??? and do I delet my old "plugin?" Don't know the process, thanks in advance all you smart folk. Cheer and Happy New Year!
[email protected]
warmest,
Kevin

If you are using Camera Raw 4.1 then that likely means you are using Photoshop CS3 (or a similarly old version of Photoshop Elements).
You will not be able to open 60D images with that version directly.
You *could* download the very latest version of Adobe's free DNG Converter. That would allow you to convert your 60D images to DNG files, which your old Camera Raw would then be able to open.
Or you could upgrade to one of the latest Photoshop versions. This table shows what Camera Raw versions support which cameras...
http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html
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