Canon HF10 or 100 vs. HV 30 workflow:  Which one is less painful?

I am in the market for a new camcorder.
Would love to hear from people who have hands on time with the Canon HV20 or 30 and Canon HF 10 or 100 and can talk about which workflow is smoother.
I realize that with HDV you have to log and capture the tape realtime; and AVCHD you must convert it to Apple ProRes 422 or AIC before editing.
What I want to know is which process is less painful. I am more concerned with the workflow than picture quality or storage issues.
Thank you for you thoughts in advance.

I work with a canon HV20 and have had no real problems with it. The only problems I have had have been user based when I was first figuring out the workflow. As you will find if you were to search for this topic (since it is brought up so many time) is that all you will need to do is import it as HDV Easy Setup and make sure you set your sequence settings to rener apple Pro Res. Once you have that you should have no problem. Hope that helps, In my opinion for the price and the amazing picture quality you really can't beat the HV20.
-Lil B

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    Hello again. I recognize that a print is good if you like it and bad if you don't, despite what others might say, but I will at least share my experiences. They might help you or others who are following this thread.
    My monitor is calibrated with Spyder 3. Gamma 2.2, 6500K, 83 cd/m^2. Contrast at 50%; brightness about 52%. My monitor lets me choose blackness level - it defaults to 50%.
    When I print the test image I linked to above, using Lightroom, with no adjustments, my technical output is as follows:
    Middle step wedge shows twelve disticnt steps. Whitest step is color of unprinted paper.
    It varies from paper to paper, but I can discerne at least the 252 step and on some papers 253 - telling me I have good highlight detail.
    On the black side I discerne 8 or 10, nothing lower. (That sounds like what you are reporting).
    Artistically I am very happy how my print looks - nice red strawberries, good flesh tones, etc.
    One my monitor, the on-screen image is almost identical to the print. I am surprised that you can see the 2 wedge step on screen at a very similar brightness.
    I also checked out this B&W test image:
    http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/bw_printing/bw-test-image-2.html
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    You can do a similar thing in Lightroom using the printer driver and User Templates.
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    1D Mark IV, Rebel T5i, Pixma PRO-100, MX472

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