Canon HF20: backup the MTS files (and later convert), or import in AIC?

Camcorder: Canon HF20. FCE 4.01.
I have filmed some clips with the 7 mbps setting. The file size of the mts files is fairly small, but when importing it to FCE (or iMovie) the filesize is increased 10 times (to about 60 mbps) I found the answer in this post: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10900327&#10900327 ,
I want to save all my video clips to my external drive, and I am tempted to just copy the mts files to a folder, and then later convert them when I want to edit the footage. Would this be possible, or do I have to import them in FCE now?
Is it possible to copy the mts files back to the camcorder at a later time (the entire file structure - the folder is called BDMV) and then import it in FCE?

Yeah, make sure you copy the entire folder structure from the highest level and DONT delete ANY files (like I did!)
I spent the entire night last night and the last week trying to get compatibility of .MTS files shot on a Canon HFS11 into FCE 4 (FCE 4.0.1 to be exact).
I shot 3 months worth of footage on the HFS11 and would daily dump the AVCHD folders into date folders (ie 060110, 070110, etc etc) on an external HDD.
Since I had all the .MTS files off the camera I didnt know if I could use Log and Transfer to bring them into FCE but it is possible. Like other forums many people suggested you had to have the folders exactly like they were on the camera. This is true, unless of course you have deleted some files or if any become corrupt then the structure isnt exactly the same. For me I had deleted any junk files using a fast .MTS viewer (called a windows 7 machine!) without realising it was going to affect the 'import' process in FCE.
SOLUTION
I found that the files in the CLIPINF folder (.CLI files) were matched to the .MTS files in the STREAM folder. So if you delete any .MTS files I guess Log and Transfer reads the INDEX.BDM file or the .CLI files and says hang on, something is different. So I went through my .CLI files and found the names missing from the .MTS files and duplicated a colour bar clip I made and renamed it to the missing files. Viola, and FCE 4 could 'import' them.

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Edited by: zycoz100 on Feb 27, 2013 4:42 AM

A controlfile create is a fairly trivial task, for either a cold backup or hot backup scenario. Well, its an easy task after you've done the process a few times.
If you have a healthy oracle instance running any place else, preferably at 11gR2, or even a 10g instance can work as an example, get a system connection and do an `alter database backup controlfile to trace;` and the instance will create a new trace file with all SQL commands needed to rebuild the controlfile in the instance trace directory.
Have a look at the trace file, a `show parameter diag` reveals the diagnostic_dest parameter, look for the "trace" directory under that folder, for the latest *trc file. In 10g its `show parameter dump` and the trace file goes straight to the user_dump_dest directory, no digging required.

HT3775 Does anyone know how to get .mts files and mpg files to work in final cut express?

I am trying to import footage from a cannon xa10 but it wont come up in final cut express. The only files I have managed to get off the sd card are either .mts or .mpg files and these won't import into final cut. Any suggestions?

Barney & cjnz11, are you importing AVCHD lite?
FCE doesnt play nice with AVCHD lite with the Standard plugins, imovie on the other hand does (go figure) there is a fix for this.
1. Open the Final Cut Express.app by right clicking the icon and choose 'show content'. At Contents/Plugins you find a folder called: "AVCHD.RADPlug". compress this and keep it safe (Just incase)
2. Now Open the iMovie.app by right clicking the icon and choose 'show content' At Contents/RADPlugins there is a folder called "AVCHD.RADPlug". Copy that folder to where you found the folder with the same name inside the Final Cut Express.app
After that you will be able to Log & Transfer AVCHD Lite with in FCE instead of the imovie import and XML export method.

Canon HF20: backup the MTS files (and later convert), or import in AIC?

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