Canon HFS200 or Panasonic HDC-TM700K

I have been researching a new HD camcorder and have narrowed my picks to the Canon HFS200 or the Panasonic HDC-TM700K. I have read may reviews and posts on both and have come to the conclusion that the TM700 may be a better choice BUT has some limitations on a Mac.
At this point I have boiled it down to these elements:
- I cannot edit TM700 60p footage in FCE or iMovie
- The TM700 may or may not have a fan noise issue
- The TM700 has better battery life
- The TM700 has better low light performance
- The TM700 has a wider angle lens
- And according to various online reviews the TM700 is superior to the HFS200
So now my questions:
- Given the limitations of the TM700 and 60p editing, am I still better off with the TM700 shooting in 1920x1080i @ 17mbps vs. going with the HFS200 and shooting in 1920x1080i @ 24mbps?
- Will I have any issues editing footage from the TM700 shot in 1920x1080i @ 17mbps on my Mac in FCE or iMovie?
Ultimately I think I will be happy with either camera, but I don't want to go with the TM700 if I am going to have issues on my Mac even at the lower resolution of 1920x1080i @ 17mbps. But, if I am OK at the lower resolution, I would just as soon go with the TM700, shoot at the lower resolution and wait for FCE and iMovie to catch-up to the 60p.
Hopefully the someone can help with some opinions or data points I may have overlooked.
Thanks!

Had a TM700 for 6 weeks:
Noise issue - only if recording in absence of an ambient sound. Even then I do not find it an 'issue'.
One reply harps on incompatibility between progressive recordings and Apple's editing tools. The TM700 manual clearly states that progressive recordings will be converted to interlaced when exporting, as also happens when transferring clips from internal memory to SD card. The quality of 1080/50i (HA) clips is stunning on a 40" LCD screen. To edit progressive will cost loads of dosh and no doubt a very high end computer.
The quality of interior video is also very, very good. Like all equipment, there are a few idiosyncrasies, but to my mind it is the best video camera available at present ... excellent imaging, better than average sound, full manual control with every good ergonomics (front control ring).... and bless it, a viewfinder!!! Just remember, DO NOT trim clips on board before exporting to FCE or FCP (see my offering posted yesterday).
I have tried exporting short lengths of video edited in FCE, then encoded and multiplexed and burnt to dvd in full HD via Roxio Titanium Pro. The end result plays as a BluRay disc with no visible loss of definition - to those who have seen it. There is a problem in using the Roxio plug in to produce BluRay sequences longer than 10mins on dvd discs .. but that is another subject.

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Canon HFS200 vs. Panasonic HDC-TM700K

I have been researching a new HD camcorder and have narrowed my picks to the Canon HFS200 or the Panasonic HDC-TM700K. I have read may reviews and posts on both and have come to the conclusion that the TM700 may be a better choice BUT has some limitations on a Mac.
At this point I have boiled it down to these elements:
I cannot edit TM700 60p footage in FCE or iMovie
The TM700 may or may not have a fan noise issue
The TM700 has better battery life
The TM700 has better low light performance
The TM700 has a wider angle lens
And according to various online reviews the TM700 is superior to the HFS200
So now my questions:
Given the limitations of the TM700 and 60p editing, am I still better off with the TM700 shooting in 1920x1080i @ 17mbps vs. going with the HFS200 and shooting in 1920x1080i @ 24mbps?
Will I have any issues editing footage from the TM700 shot in 1920x1080i @ 17mbps on my Mac in FCE or iMovie?
Ultimately I think I will be happy with either camera, but I don't want to go with the TM700 if I am going to have issues on my Mac even at the lower resolution of 1920x1080i @ 17mbps. But, if I am OK at the lower resolution, I would just as soon go with the TM700, shoot at the lower resolution and wait for FCE and iMovie to catch-up to the 60p.
Hopefully the someone can help with some opinions or data points I may have overlooked.
Thanks!

Had a TM700 for 6 weeks:
Noise issue - only if recording in absence of an ambient sound. Even then I do not find it an 'issue'.
One reply harps on incompatibility between progressive recordings and Apple's editing tools. The TM700 manual clearly states that progressive recordings will be converted to interlaced when exporting, as also happens when transferring clips from internal memory to SD card. The quality of 1080/50i (HA) clips is stunning on a 40" LCD screen. To edit progressive will cost loads of dosh and no doubt a very high end computer.
The quality of interior video is also very, very good. Like all equipment, there are a few idiosyncrasies, but to my mind it is the best video camera available at present ... excellent imaging, better than average sound, full manual control with every good ergonomics (front control ring).... and bless it, a viewfinder!!! Just remember, DO NOT trim clips on board before exporting to FCE or FCP (see my offering posted yesterday).
I have tried exporting short lengths of video edited in FCE, then encoded and multiplexed and burnt to dvd in full HD via Roxio Titanium Pro. The end result plays as a BluRay disc with no visible loss of definition - to those who have seen it. There is a problem in using the Roxio plug in to produce BluRay sequences longer than 10mins on dvd discs .. but that is another subject.

Panasonic HDC-SD100 vs. Canon Vixia HF11

My apologies as I know this is an FCP forum, but I figured some might have experience with these cameras, and also I'm curious of each cameras' AVCHD integration with FCP.
I'm debating between the Panasonic HDC-SD100 vs. Canon Vixia HF11. The use would be for recreation and as a B camera. I love my DVX-100 and was so excited about the HDC-SD100 because it has a small form factor, can record to SD cards in 24p, and has an audio input jack. I cannot count the number of times I wish I had a small 24p camera that I could take with me when it wasn't convenient to take my DVX. I really feel this is the wave of the future.
I like Canon's still camera line, but I still have a slight distaste of their camcorders cause of the XL1, which had beautiful image quality but IMHO crappy handling and interface. Camcorderinfo.com reviewed both cameras and leans on the HF11 because of the better image quality. I'm going to a store to checkout both cameras, but any opinions/insights would be most appreciated!
Best,
Alexander

AVCHD integration?
It requires 6.0.4 and an Intel Mac.
Transcodes are about RT to prores. A rumored next version of FCP will facilitate native AVCHD editing.
My issues?
Canon uses a single CMOS rolling shutter. It also records at 24mbps, the highest AVCHD recording data rate.
Panny uses a 3 1/6 inch CMOS imagers, but at 17 mpbs.
I'd like to look at each, because we use a HPX170 and need a B-Roll.
Costco has the HF11 at sub $1k. You can return it.

Choice of camcorder: Canon Legria HF G10 vs Panasonic HDC-TM700?

Some advice pls:
Would like to update my camcorder - to a prosumer quality (or high end consumer).
I use FCP X (and love it) but am torn between
Canon Legria HF G10
or,
Panasonic HDC-TM700
Any advice?
I currently use the SD-9 Panasonic, and am not happy with low-light shots (way too Lossy). Has compression technology improved in the last 3 years, or will I be disappointed with either of the above model's approach to compression?
Thanks
Rob

The SD-9 is a fine little camera from several years back. Its claim to fame was its small size and early use of SD cards. I think its highest bit rate was only about 15Mbps however. The G10 uses a bigger sensor, much more advanced compression processing. Honestly, when I have clips from my pro Sony HVR-Z5U HD camcorders on the timeline next to clips from the G10, it is very hard to tell the difference. The G10 is actually much more color accurate than the pro Sonys.
Furthermore, the G10 is a breeze to connect to the computer and use the Import from Camera in FCP X. The G10 comes with 32GB built in with two SD slots to go beyond that. I also have the HF M41 that uses the same sensor and has 2 SD card slots, but I never even have to use SD cards on the G10 unless I want to add them. It has a automatic relay mode that goes to the next storage SD slot when it has filled up the previous one. Thus you can use the internal 32 GB with a couple of other 32GB SD cards to get over 12 hours of the highest quality (24Mbps) video recorded. You can even specify to record to both SD cards at the same time so you have an automatic backup of your work.
Check out the detail on that review site I gave you. It's the best ... I'm not a cheerleader for it ... just stating the facts. I am very, very impressed. One of the best buys I have ever made in video work. Best wishes.
stephen

Panasonic HDC-Z10000 Professional 3D Camcorder and AVCHD3D

I bought Panasonic HDC-Z10000 Professional 3D Camcorder. Format of shooting of AVCHD3D. Video from the camera is imported to the 2D. How to import the 3D?

I just bought two Canon HG10 AVCHD camcorder. I'll be using them for a few Smashing Pumpkins concerts in Philly in the next several days.
Here's what I found out so far just playing with them for 20 minutes.
AVCHD + iMove '08 or Final Cut Pro 6.0.1 /= PowerPC
It's not going to work on a PowerPC Mac.
Final Cut Pro 6.0.1 says:
Warning:
AVCHD media is unsupported on PowerPC based hardware.
iMovie '08 says:
AVCHD Device not supported
An Intel-based Macintosh is required to capture AVCHD video; try changing your camcorder settings to standard definition.
I didn't buy this camcorder for standard def. I did not bother trying that option.
It worked on my Intel MacBook Pro with Final Cut Pro 6.0.1. I don't have iMovie installed on there so I didn't try it.
I recorded a clip about a minute long, 01:01:13 to be exact. I put
the camcorder in USB mode and it mounts on my PowerPC and Intel Mac's
without installing any software.
Going through the file structure I find
/Volumes/CANON_HDD/AVCHD/BDMV/STREAM/00000.MTS
MTS = MPEG Transport Stream
That file is 119.6 mb.
I can get the .MTS to play in VLC Media Player but it crashes after a few seconds.
Final Cut Pro 6.0.1 has no idea what to do with .MTS files. When dragging to the bin I get File error: unknown type. You have to go to File > Log And Transfer. Not File > Log And Capture like you
normally would to capture a tape.
From there it transcodes the .MTS file using the Apple ProRes 422 codec. This takes time and makes your nice little 119.6mb file about EIGHT times as big. The file is 929.3 mb! One gigabyte for one minute! It's 24p and 1080 x 1920 though.

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I am planning on purchasing two Panasonic HDC-MDH1 cameras for weddings and events. These cameras record in AVCHD ; MPEG4-AVC/H.264 (AVCHD standard compliant) as the supplier says. Is this compatible with Adobe Premiere?
I have read some threads that said that it is not really supported by Premiere and can use some advice.
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Ok guys, I am not too good of an expert here. So I hope you can bare with me on this.
I am gonna be shooting weddings mostly with these cams. Actually, it is the price that was very tempting being around $1000. My other option is Canon XF100 which should be around double that price. Anyway here are my questions:
1. Should I go for Panasonic or Canon XF100?
2. Knowing that I might need to deliver on BluRay, what resolution should I shoot at? 1080p, 1080i, or 720p or any other res? Compatibilty with PP is important.
3. Saying I did go for Panasonic which shoots in AVCHD, what format can I convert my footage to, and which converter should I use so I can maintain as much quality as I can?
I am a PC uder with windows 8 Premiere 6.
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Hi Folks I have a Mac (lol), i have a Panasonic High Definition Camera and i have a problem. I connect the camera, i import the clip on my macintosh hd and i create my dvd with iDVD. But when I see my dvd i see that the video is ginned, with a very low quality. Why???
Info: Mac OS X 10.5.6 on MacBook 3.1 with 2.2 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, 2 Gb of RAM and Intel GMA X3100 graphic card.
Panasonic HDC-SD5 with 3CCD and high resolution (Full HD 1920x1080). It recorded with the AVCHD format.
Thank you!!

If you have a PC and the generic software that comes with the camera you can as well.
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I am trying to get my Panasonic HDC-SD60 camcorder to transfer video over to a DVD using iDVD. The iDVD wants the firewire connection to be used, No mini USB to firewire line exists. Any help?

iDVD is part of the iLife suite of apps.
in this collection, iMovie is the 'importer', esp. via usb from AVCHD-devices like yours.
plus editor, I mostly doubt, you haven't to 'clean' here&there your recordings
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Welcome to the  Discussion Forums.
No one here knows what plans  have for imovie, but I rather suspect that if they were going to make the PPC work with imovie/AVCHD they would have done it from the outset.
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FYI: iMovie and Panasonic HDC-SD5

FYI,
I just purchased the Panasonic HDC-SD5 which supports 1920x1080 or 1080P. I recorded clip with the HG1920 setting (1080P). I then imported the clip into iMovie and added it to a project. When I play the movie everything is oblong. (A circle appears as a oval.) I then recored a clip at 1080i, imported it and everything looks correct.
It appears that iMovie does not currently support 1080P using a AVCHD camcorder.
Does anyone know if Final Cut Express supports 1080P?

You may find some of the information in my other thread useful... http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1131966&tstart=0
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I assume you will see the same thing with FCE since I do see the same behavior with Final Cut Pro.
You are correct that currently the 1080i SD5 is not supported. I would assume that it will be added to the support list soon. At least that is my hope.
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Nor Adobe, nor Avid. Nor any makers of DVD players, BluRay, HD DVD. Nor broadcasters who air shows. Nor web formats.
60p isn't a format that is mastered either. Not to tape, not broadcast over the air, not a format you encode to BluRay or regualr DVD...not a web format. So why you'd shoot a format that you can't even deliver...seems pointless. 1080 is either 23.98fps, or 29.97fps. It is 720p that is 59.94fps...but that is used rarely. But that is the only 60 frame format that has output and airable options.
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