Canon HV20 24p: 3rd party solution?

I'm looking hard at buying a Canon HV20 for 24p work and using with FCE, which I'd be upgrading from an old version (and learning how to use, but that's another story LOL!).
It's my understanding that FCE can't edit the HV20's 24p-format output. I'm wondering if there are third-party fixes for this, either a standalone converter of some kind or a plug-in. It's my understanding that, failing this, I could activate a Windows partition on my new iMac and work with Windows software to edit the 24p stuff, but that is something I'd really like to avoid.

Here are two links that are on the sight mentioned above
60i to 24p workflow for Mac/Final Cut Pro
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?p=1840
Easy Mac Workflow for 720p24 h.264 output
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=1967
24p versus 25p FCP workflow sight may answer the real 24p question for those who understand such thing - I really don't.
http://allantépper.biz/sub5k/Stupid-Smart.html
Hope this helps

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