Canon Optura 30 dropped frames on panning

When viewing a panned scence using the Optura 30 as VCR, the shot is smooth. After import to iMovie HD, the pan jerks/skips. Apple Procare says it is because the Optura is a 1 CCD. Also Procare stated that the reason that the camera LCD screen playback is smooth, is because the camera LCD is a small screen and resolution is better. Forum posts seem to suggest a variety of possible reasons, ranging from firewire, to intel processor, to Canon technology. Anything I can do from my side of the viewfinder/iMac keyboard to resolve (camera/iMovie preferences) other than buying a different computer/camcorder?
thanks
Dave

Well it is 17 C here! Yes the problem is a constant whenever the Optura generated movie is imported. Works great using the Camera viewfinder for playback, but jerks when viewing a pan in all iMovie/DVD previews and all final burns using any player other than the camera itself. I don't have any non camera clips added, no partitions (that I am aware of) I have the movies saved to my movie folder on my home section of my hard drive. Camera is the only firewire connected device, apple brand firewire and I had checked out the referenced article earlier, article at that time it was written was for OS 9 and earlier Canon camcorders, probably some of the issues still exist but I am at a loss.
Hi Dave,
(San Diego, CA? early morning,hm? nice, we got snow
whole day......)
ok, and you tried with another movie from same
camcorder? (I recommend the usage of dvd-rw for test
purposes....) you don't add any "non camera clips"?
and project is on local disk? you didn't
"partitioned" your drive?
you've read this article?
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61603
finally: camera is attached "directly", no fw-hub
inbetween? no chaining with other devices...?
sorry for so many Qs, but many reasons........ :-/
Hi Dave,
(San Diego, CA? early morning,hm? nice, we got snow
whole day......)
ok, and you tried with another movie from same
camcorder? (I recommend the usage of dvd-rw for test
purposes....) you don't add any "non camera clips"?
and project is on local disk? you didn't
"partitioned" your drive?
you've read this article?
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61603
finally: camera is attached "directly", no fw-hub
inbetween? no chaining with other devices...?
sorry for so many Qs, but many reasons........ :-/
Well it is 14 C here!.

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