Canon Pictures Style and Color Space

Hello!
I need some clarifications.
If I well understand Aperture do not consider the Canon setting for Picture Style when shooting in RAW.
Is it correct?
The same is valid for the color space.
Thank you!!!
Max

Yes...You understood! Thank you very much
What about the color space when shooting in RAW? I noticed that even if my camera settings were sRGB, Aperture shown Adobe.
Thank you!
Max

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When I shoot picture using my EOS 400D and apply a specific Picture Style, i.e. monochrome, portrait or landscape, then this setting is not applied when importing the pictures into aperture at all!
I realized this when using monochrome as a picture style and then the pictures turned up in color in aperture...

this is probably a good way to come up with your own presets ...
i personally have never used the picture styles (except the BW on my IR only camera - i only want BW jpgs) ... but conceivably you could shoot RAW+JPEG and tweak the RAW till it looks like the JPEG and save those as presets ... it may take a few times to get them close ...
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Although I don't know for sure, it is possible that Canon Picture Styles are not in industry standard EXIF, and so they might be a Canon private format only readable by Canon software. If that is the case, there isn't much Apple can do but reach some kind of deal with Canon. Apple may or may not want to go to the trouble, because they might not want to also support the private data in other manufacturers' private raw data, like Nikon's encrypted white balance.
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So I believe the main problem with LR, ACR or the like, is to come up with such consistent preset.
Personally, I always look for the best quality in all my pictures so RAW is a must, especially for fine art printing. And although RAW provides us with this advantage of more freedom in the processing of our photos, the main problem for me is that since I've gone digital 3 years ago, my time in the field has significantly gone down and been replaced by countless hours on the computer solving quite difficult technical problems.
The camera and software manufacturers are really enjoying all this as it provides them with huge opportunities for selling products. But as for photographers that means they need to be more than that, i.e. software and computer "gurus" too! and I'm not sure we have the time for that (I don't anyway and I'd rather spend that time out there taking photos).
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Add new picture styles made by Canon or a way to import picture styles files in LR
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/picturestyle/file/index.html

Lee Jay wrote:
Didier Toulouze wrote:
Why not ? ;-)
I like using a picture style or a preset as a starting point.
A picture style IS a camera profile, Adobe added the default picture styles of DPP in LR, why not adding these other ones ?
Because it would be a lot of work and you can already add them yourself using the DNG Profile Creator.
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