Cant see or control case fans on MSI board

I just upgraded my PC to Devils Canyon and h87-g41 pc mate. Everything is working fine... except i cant see my installed case fans and they are running on max (i assume) and making a lot of noise.
The very old board i upgraded from had option in bios for automatic fan control under overclocking (if i remember correctly). I set it to automatic and case fans were controled based on temperatures.
But the new msi board cant detect them correctly. SPeedfan and cpuid hwmonitor does not show them, and they are not show in bios. And i cant seem to find any settings for case fans.
Only fan it detects is the aux fan at the back of the fan and controls it automatically.
I used Live Updater and did total install, so i should have all the drivers.
I plugged them in right, used the pins and not the molex.

Quote from: valgusepoiss on 20-July-14, 13:15:48
I just upgraded my PC to Devils Canyon and h87-g41 pc mate. Everything is working fine... except i cant see my installed case fans and they are running on max (i assume) and making a lot of noise.
The very old board i upgraded from had option in bios for automatic fan control under overclocking (if i remember correctly). I set it to automatic and case fans were controled based on temperatures.
But the new msi board cant detect them correctly. SPeedfan and cpuid hwmonitor does not show them, and they are not show in bios. And i cant seem to find any settings for case fans.
Only fan it detects is the aux fan at the back of the fan and controls it automatically.
I used Live Updater and did total install, so i should have all the drivers.
I plugged them in right, used the pins and not the molex.
On your board, CPUfan1, CPUfan2, and Sysfan1, are the only fan headers that are setup for sensing, the other two are 3 pin headers and very likely have no sensor on them.... as far as BIOS or any software are concerned, they simply are not there, if you need them controlled, you might have to buy a fan controller.
You could plug one of your case fans into CPUfan2, if that header is not being used, and then you would have full sensing and control of it.

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Quote from: brus on 16-January-13, 15:56:39
You have put sysfan1 for CPU. Sysfan1 is for CPU I recon.
I plugged front fan on sysfan2
1. ground pin
2. sensor pin
3. control pin
Now LED of the fan is working but fan is not spinning. So, I don't know if MBO BIOS switches off fan if temp. is not high enough.
I didn't find BIOS fan settings.
I connected 3pin fan on 3 pin on MBO so 1 pin got unused.
on that board by the first ram slot is a header marked CPU FAN thats the CPU fan header the rest are all standard fan headers for auxiliary intake and exhaust fans.

How to plug 2 case fans on MSI B75 G41 ?

I have spire maverick 6009 with two fans.
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Quote from: brus on 16-January-13, 15:56:39
You have put sysfan1 for CPU. Sysfan1 is for CPU I recon.
I plugged front fan on sysfan2
1. ground pin
2. sensor pin
3. control pin
Now LED of the fan is working but fan is not spinning. So, I don't know if MBO BIOS switches off fan if temp. is not high enough.
I didn't find BIOS fan settings.
I connected 3pin fan on 3 pin on MBO so 1 pin got unused.
on that board by the first ram slot is a header marked CPU FAN thats the CPU fan header the rest are all standard fan headers for auxiliary intake and exhaust fans.

Case fans control?

hi,
Is it possible to control case fans (by changing pwm) under linux?
e.g. I have Zyxel 310 Nas and i can change fan speed by put number between 0-255 to specific file, like
echo 180 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-002e/pwm1
I want to write a bash script to control fans in dependence on actual temperature. e.g. Turn on a side fan when temperature on graphics card goes over 60*C. Or turn off all case fans when my PC is on idle - just powered on.
So i will be very happy if i can do some similar as at my zyxel. My mobo is Asrock Extreme4 970.

See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_speed_control

Can I control 3-pin fan with MSI Z97 gaming 5?

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I own an MSI Z87-GD65, im assuming your Z97gaming5 is similar, mine can control 4pin PWM fans on the CPU_FAN1 and CPU_FAN2 headers, and can control 3pin fans on SYS_FAN 1,2,3, all of this on bios fan control (i dont like nor use the Control center). The limitations of my bios is that on 4pin fans on CPU_FAN1 i can go to 12.5% pwm (as long as the fan can reach this low), while on the 3pin con SYS_FAN i can only drop them down to 50% (thats if you fan can start at that voltage, had one that needed 60%), the fan can be ran at a steady % = rpms or can be dynamically ramp up with the CPU temp, thats also selected on the bios.
Here is a run that i did last weekend on a Silverstone AP182 connected on SYS_FAN3 on pure bios, you can see there the different % and rpms, and in the bottom you can see prime95 run where it did ramp the fans with the cpu temp.

K9a2 plat. v2. unable to change speed on my case fan

Hi!
I just bough a 80mm case fan and I can't change it's speed using the BIOS or from within the OS using speedfan.
The fan in question is a Zalman ZM-F1 with a 3 pin connector.
The motherboard can detect the fan speed. (3000rpm, so it's registering it correctly) but I have so far been unable to change it's speed. I can't figure out why, since i have a 120mm no-name fan which it detects changes speed just fine.
The 120mm is connected to sysfan 1 (works)
The 80mm zm-f1 is connected to sysfan2 (doesn't work)
I know that I can use a connector to the psu to perma-run the fan in silent mode, but the thing is that i want to be able to control the fan from BIOS (and OS). I can't figure out why i cant control the speed since the bios is able to detect it Could this be a BIOS issue?
I've been trying to find something about this issue for myself but this is all i've managed to come up with so far :
In this link it's mentioned that some motherboards can't monitor the fan speeds. I'm however able to see the fan speed.. so why can't it be changed? hmm..
http://www.quietpcusa.com/Zalman-80mm-Quiet-Computer-Fan-with-3-Pin-Connector-ZM-F1-P73C6.aspx
I hope that some of you might be able to shed some light over the situation. I'm at a loss here.
Best wishes
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I know that I can use a connector to the psu to perma-run the fan in silent mode,

Sawtooth Quieting Project: Fan Replacement - Specs on 120 mm case fan?

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b) Would I have to do anything special to get a replacement fan to work? (i.e. getting around non-standard power connectors, etc.)
c) If anyone's tried this before, are there any recommended fans out there I should look into?
Thanks in advance.

That's something I ran into, too. You see recommendations for certain types of really good fans but you cant find them in local stores.
This is what I did to quiet down my noisy Mac(after this thing was running for about half an hour it was just intolerable to be in the same room with).
I replaced the fan in the power supply.This is about the most difficult thing to do but the noise reduction was immense.This is a 80x80x25 mm fan and I put in a Thermaltake I bought at a PC shop.CFM (37)is lower than what was in there but the air coming out is barely warm.
I replaced the case fan with a Coolermaster ( forget the model)that is much quieter too.Look for a 120 mm fan, take the old one with you to check the size/thickness.
Then I hooked the case fan and the CPU fan ( this is a Quicksilver) up to something to regulate the voltage.I'm using a Radio Shack/ The Source power adaptor that can output either 12v,9V,7.5V, etc with a little switch on the unit.
I also opened up one of the PCI slot cover to let a little more air in.
Instead of running the fans at their rated 12v,I use the adaptor to run them at 9v.The noise reduction is dramatic, the unit does not get hot inside ( when I was testing, I opened it up and touched the heatsink every half hour or so, not hot at all).And you can always flip it back to 12V to run the fans at full speed anytime you want.
This is works great for me, it might not work for everyone if you're not comfortable with working inside power supplies ( potentially dangerous, do some reading on this first)or messing with Apple's precious fans.But I'm talking a 2/3rds noise reduction here with less than $50 worth of parts!
I didnt replace the CPU fan ( yet) because the replacement I bought was actually noisier than the stock one.Smaller fans tend to produce the most annoying noise, the larger the fan ,less irritating the sound.Find a local PC store that sells parts and has a decent return policy.Anything 12V will work in a Mac regardless of which sizes you buy.
Decent fans have the specs clearly marked on the box.Dont get too hung up on CFM ratings.I've found that certain fans are quieter than other regardless of CFM and Noise claims and you just have to try them out in your Mac to find the one you can live with.Luckily , we're talking about cheap parts here and the biggest hassle is dealing with Apple's dinky fan connectors. I just cut them off and splice..red to red, black to black.
If I was running major heat sources like 2 Ghz CPU upgrades or 256 MB+ vid cards, I might think twice about under-volting the fans, but I'm not.This Mac is primarily for music production and recording and I need it to be quiet, otherwise it is useless to me.
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Case Fan Running at Full Speed

I accidentally shorted the case fan circuitry on my HP motherboard (explanation below) and now the fan runs at full speed all the time. Other than the fact that is was a stupid thing to do, will it be a problem long-term and should I try to reset the fan speed switch?
(Long Version) It is hot around here these days and my computer fans seemed underpowered. I put a splitter on the case fan outlet on the motherboard and added a second fan in addition to the original fan. It all worked fine except the new fan seemed to run pretty slow. I wanted to get a voltage reading from the fan plug but I accidently touched the two sensors on my volt meter and the computer immediately shut down. It started up and worked fine except the throttle was no longer working and the fans were running at full speed. This also explained why the second fan was running slowly before when they were both being throttled.
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Hello design_guy,
You should not have any problems with the fans running at full speed other than the fact you may decrease the life cycle of the fan.
You may want to install some software on the computer that will allow you to adjust the fan speed from the computer which may help you prolong the life of the fans and give you a little control over them.
Something like SpeedFan should do the trick.
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Using NB fan connector for case fan?

Seeing as the only fan supplies that support fan control are the CPU and NB, if I'm using a Zalman cooler instead of a NB fan to cool the chipset, is it possible to utilise the spare NB fan connector for one of the case fans?
Or is that a silly idea because the speed of the fan will be dictated by the temperature of the NB chipset which may or may not enable sufficient case cooling?
Has anyone tried this?

In actual fact I have 7 x 80mm Cooler Master Fans in my system. 2 in the back, 2 in the front, 2 on the CPU (Hyper6) and 1 on the clear side door. All fans are the CoolerMaster Blue LED type and spin no faster than 2600RPMs. I never slow down the CPU fans ..... system is always on and always doing something stressfull but using Speedfan or CoreCenter I can slow both fans on the CPU down to 20%.
4 of the fans are powered through the mainboard (through PSU) and the other 3 using the PSU molex power connectors (not the FAN_ONLY connectors .... not enough juice ).

Case fan power points

How many case fans can be controlled from the MB through the software on this board?
MSI 865PE Neo2 S

Your question implies you want to control more than 1 case fan. The fan controllers on motherboards are for single small fans. If you put a large fan or several small fans on the controller you will burn it out.
No one will argue that Intel doesn't make a good board, but if you plan on controlling multiple case fans I don't think they will meet your requirements either. If you go with the Intel board you won't be overclocking and won't need multiple fans anyway .
For multiple fans you should use a rheostat bank (typically 4 sets of fans) or go with one of the power supplies that has a special connector to thermostatically regulate fan speeds.
As for MSI quality, my board works fine and the majority of issues posted here are related to getting the most out of the board (overclocking). Considering MSI shipped 3.65 million motherboards in the last quarter, I don't think quality is an issue.

At what temp will MB start case fans?

I apologize in advance if this is covered somewhere and I've missed it. I did some forum searching for case fans but didn't seem to find anything related to me.
I have a Z77MA-G45 installed in a SilverStone case with two front case fans. Those fans have never started running on their own, but the fans will run if I bump one / "push start" the fan. After playing a simulator on full quality my video card fans were going crazy and it seemed like the air inside the case was pretty hot, but the case fans weren't running. I thought something may be wrong, but then I thought maybe even with the video card fans going full-bore the internal temperature wasn't enough to start the case fans.
tl;dr Does anyone know what governs MSI's automatic fan control? How hot does it have to get in that case before the fans run?

None of your three pin fans can be controled. CPUFAN/ SYSFAN1/ SYSFAN2 are all four pin on Z77MA-G45. Other than on other MSI Z77 boards the fourth pin of all headers is used for control on this mainboard.
Quote from: Z77MA-G45 manual
you must use a specially designed fan
with a speed sensor to take advantage of the CPU fan control
Connect the fans directly to psu and use a manual fancontroler.

Case fan ?

Can someone tell me please the right way a side 80 case fan should be,
? Should i put it so it's sucking hot air out of the case or should i have it blowing air into the pc case
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Quote from: And@MSI on 08-December-06, 12:03:55
Think i need a better cpu fan mate as this zalman i have on me cpu heatsink isent up to much, im ideling at 47c now as i have my heating on in my flat.
Going to have a look around and see if i can get one of them XB PRO Blower fans mate, they spin at 4000 rpm and look to me as thay push the air into the heatsink fins wich should work better i hope.
Can but try, Cheers mate.
The rule of thumb is that fans on the front should pull air into the case, fans in the back should exhaust the air from the case. Using that rule, the side fans should pull the air into the case since only the rear fans should exhaust the air.
What Zalman are you referring to? I didn't see it in your posts. They have some great fan/heatsink units, but perhaps you are not using one of their good models?

GTX590 Cant access NVIDIA control panel Black screen after 10 mins

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I recently purchased an MSI GTX590 and encountered this problem " Cant access NVIDIA control panel Black screen after 10 mins". I am running Windows7 Ultimate SP1.
I did have an xfire setup of 2xHD6970's, I uninstalled all the old drivers then used driver sweeper to clean out any remaining folders, also uninstalling them from device manager.
Next I installed the latest version of drivers from the NVIDIA site only to find that I am stuck in safe mode resolutions for my screen I cant access the NVIDIA control panel as it is saying " You are not currently using a display attached to an Nvidia GPU ". In device manager it states that
"Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43) ".
I have now uninstalled and reinstalled about 6 different versions of drivers from NVIDIA including the latest BETA drivers which all have the same issue??????
I have also gone to the MSI site and downloaded their latest recommended drivers for the GTX590 NVIDIA Graphics Drivers Version 267.91 which are the only ones that seem to work as in it fixes the screen to the proper resolution and lets me into the NVIDIA control panel yet after about 10-15 mins the screen will go black or the computer will just freeze. Rebooting causes the same issue after 10-15mins
I have noticed a few others out there experiencing the same problem but no fixes as of yet any ideas??

Thankyou for the reply,
Tested the card in another working machine capable of running and its fine I am sure the PSU I have is more than capable of running this card I ran 2 6970's in xfire on the same PSU and motherboard with no problems.
I am running it on an 40"BRAVIA LCD and am using the DVI to HDMI converter that came with the GTX590 and I have also tried it with an DVI to HDMI cable also.
The system is stable under the latest NVIDIA drivers but the display drivers aren't recognized under device manager and the screen resolution is still stuck in the safe mode size, they are shown up as having the same "error 43" and I still can't get access to the NVIDIA control panel.
I strongly believe this is a driver issue or an issue relating to software within windows. To give you a rundown on several things that I have tried to isolate or fix the issue with is in a list here:
1. Installed every different version of drivers on an fresh install of windows7 including the latest Beta drivers
2. Tried to run the GTX590 on another machine and it runs using windows7
3. Run different graphics card setup using the same PSU RAM and mb on windows7 no problems.
4. Run the gfx card on only 1 gpu no change.
5. Last step I will take is to install Windows7 without the SP1 as I have read elsewhere that similar problems have been fixed by doing this if that don't work might just sell my soul to the devil n see if he can fix it lol.

Z87-G43 Can't control PWM fans, wth?

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Trying to adjust the PWM fans in BIOS doesn't work either, they just keep running at 100%... I'm really getting tired of the jet engine sound.

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USA will often allow a cross ship, but not usually in other parts of the world. Here is the contact;
> Contact MSI <
Do you not understand this is a user to user forum? Non official MSI support? Even the admin and mods are non MSI employees. All volunteers here, not at beck and call to wait hand and foot on somebody that 'demands' anything.
I understand that this is a user forum, but when I see "MSI HQ" as their title, that's quite misleading as that reads (when you break down the acronyms): Micro-Star International HeadQuarters.
I'm only 'demanding' because I just got this and set it up. I have been without a primary computer for months now and otherwise lost access to TERABYTES of data that I can only access with the keys on the primary drive. I lost money on those projects not being delivered on time, and now that I'm back in business, I don't wish to lose any more waiting for a replacement. If they can cross-ship, that's fantastic, and I'll be so happy because I won't lose a single day to downtime waiting for replacements.
I have used MSI boards in the past, in fact my "backup" computer (missing all my tools and code) is running an old MSI board, and my router's motherboard is also MSI. It's usually solid products that I have no problem with, so something as tiny and otherwise trivial as this, just rubs me the wrong way. I understand there's manufacturing defects that will come up, one of those MSI boards, when I got it had a bug where you couldn't burn a CD because if you had the IDE port configured for a certain speed in BIOS (by default), it would crash the entire board when pushed. This was due to a capacitor mix-up back at the factory (that MSI admitted to and offered free replacements to anyone with an affected board), and while I never bothered to request a replacement (I just applied a tweak in the BIOS to avoid using that capacitor like many others), it continued to work flawlessly otherwise. Though, this machine is gated for many many tasks, and getting a headache while using it because of the loud fans, just won't do, especially when I'm going to spend the majority of the time using this machine.

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