Capture One comparison

I have been using Lightroom for the last couple of months, and recently tried an output comparison with C1.
I have taken one raw file, output from both programs and view the tiffs with photoshop.
At the settings I tried C1 was way better, less noise and sharper.
Would someone be able to suggest some Lightroom settings that would compare with my C1 settings?
I tried adjusting the noise reduction, and sharpening, but can't seem to get as good a result as Capture One.
Any suggestions?

I haven't used C1 since 3.6 (or.7) At that time I switched to RSP. I did a lot of very exhaustive testing for detail extraction. I was still shooting a D30 (professionally) and needed every bit of detail the converter could squeeze out!
At that time RSP was neck and neck with C1. One was better in some areas while the other was better in others. But it was so close that I made the complete switch to RSP. I have not used C1 for years now. I am still due my upgrade, so once C1 4.0 is officially released I will download it and make new comparisons.
That said, when LR came out I did test against RSP. (disclaimer--I NEVER used ACRE prior to LR because the conversions were not on the same level as the aforementioned 2) When I compared RSP to LR I had similar findings to the C1-RSP testing I had done. Neck and Neck, both better in different area's. And Lr has continued to get better.
I look forward to testing C1 4.0. For general Day to Day work I like to stick to one converter/workflow. But for personal images that will be printed and possibly sold as art I like to take my time with the file and use the best tool for THAT image. So my preference is always to have more than one converter at my disposal.
Just my thoughts here

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Image Artifacts with Aperture, not ACR or Capture One?

I generally use Capture One, but for the first time I’m using Aperture to process a series of photos from a just-completed trip to northern Arizona/southern Utah. I’ve been very impressed with Aperture’s workflow, and would very much like to make Aperture my primary tool for managing my photos.
However, tonight I discovered some very unsettling artifacts in the prints that I made in Photoshop using files that Aperture converted from RAW. Upon closer inspection, the artifacts also appear in Aperture, when I zoom in. But interestingly, neither Capture One nor Adobe Camera Raw shows these artifacts to nearly the same degree. Scroll down for examples of the artifact as seen in Aperture, Adobe Camera Raw, Capture One, and Photoshop.
For completeness, here are the specifics of my configuration:
Canon 1Ds RAW images
PowerMac G5 dual 2.5 GHz
OSX 10.4.7
Aperture 1.1.2
Photoshop CS
Capture One Pro 3.7.4
Here is the photo in which I first discovered the artifacts, which are visible in the full-sized image and on the print, but not in this small jpeg:
The artifacts I’m referring to are regularly-spaced train track-looking things in certain sections of the sandstone. The issue can be seen on 100% crops taken from the left side, about 1/3 of the way down from the top. Here is the area as it appears in Aperture using View > Zoom to actual size:
And here are the Aperture adjustments that I made:
Okay, I used Open With External Editor, to load the image into Photoshop – at its original size. Here is the same area, viewed at 100%, and the artifacts are plainly visible:
Notice that the artifacts appear in much the same way they did in Aperture. Just as a test, I used Aperture to “Export” the image as a 16-bit TIFF format, and then opened in Photoshop. Same artifacts as before:
For comparison I opened the same RAW file in Capture One. The artifacts are barely discernable! :
And here are the Capture One settings I used:
And here is the Capture One conversion as it appears in Photoshop, viewed at 100%. Again, the artifacts are essentially absent:
The image dimensions are almost exactly (but not quite) the same as the image that Aperture converted.
And, although it’s not part of my usual workflow, I converted the image using Adobe Camera Raw. The results show that, like Capture One, ACR doesn’t exhibit these artifacts (although it does show a bit more chromatic aberration):
Just to be clear, these artifacts ARE visible in my 16 x 24” print.
It’s a bit discouraging that, on my first serious attempt at using Aperture, I discovered these artifacts. It may be that this is a rare event with Aperture – or maybe not.
Has anyone else seen this sort of thing? Are there other discussions of the issue? And last but not least, can anyone suggest a way that I might avoid this in the future?
Thanks!
-- Jim
G5 Dual 2.5 GHz Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Here is another example of this effect, but with a different type of subject matter: a ball. The original is a raw file from a Canon 350D/Digital Rebel.
In Aperture's Zoom mode there is a pattern on the ball that looks like Maze Craze:
The pattern is maintained to a lesser degree as the image is sized down:
Exported as Original Size png:
Exported as Half Size png:
Now, as pointed out in the earlier post, the real problem is that other apps do not have this problem. The following is from ACR:
Aside from the pattern, Aperture does look better, but the pattern is nasty and almost makes the image unusable.
Will
Dual Core 2.3GHz PowerMac G5, 2GB RAM, GeForce 6600 Mac OS X (10.4.6) Canon Digital Rebel XT, Edirol UA-5
Dual Core 2.3GHz PowerMac G5, 2GB RAM, GeForce 6600 Mac OS X (10.4.6) Canon Digital Rebel XT, Edirol UA-5
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Current Lightroom / Camera Raw Camera Profile for Sony ILCE-6000 inaccurate: green cast in shadows! Capture one better! Please fix it!

Hi folks from Adobe!
Please take note that the current Lightroom / Adobe Camera Raw Camera Profile for the Sony ILCE-6000 is very inaccurate: There is a serious green cast in the shadows!
Capture One Express for Sony (which is free by the way) renders a lot more correctly!
Please correct this, since I'd rather buy the coming LR6 because of keeping my established workflow instead of going the Capture One route.
A good example can be found in the dpreview forum "LR5 A6K shadow pulling, a mess! Adobe LR is broken? "
Or search for Philp Reeves 3 weeks with the Sony A6000 review "3 Wochen mit der a6000", where he compares it to the Sony A7, using both times Lightroom to push the shadows.
The Sony A7 is fine where earth looks like brown earth, the A6000 picture looks like grass instead.
Please fix this! This is a high volume camera frequently bought by enthusiast or as second body for FF photographers. That would be really great!

I am talking about the two raw files linked in the very last post of page 6 of the Reeves comparison thread, not JPGs or screenshots of unknown manipulation. In LR they both say f/11 and ISO 100 and have a similar tone, but one is shot at twice the shutter speed as the other. This side-by-side is using Adobe Factory Defaults for each image where the profile is Adobe Standard, the toning sliders are all 0, tone-curve linear, and the Sharpening and Color NR are 25:
However, when I look at the camera-embedded JPGs, side-by-side, the 1/80th image on the left is darker than the 1/40th image on the right, as expected given the reported shutter-speed difference:
And it is indeed the darker image that has more shadow problems, also as expected.
When I do manipulate the darker (a6000) raw file in LR, I do see that the shadows are greenish when brightened unlike most other cameras which usually show magenta, which is the combination of the blue and red sensors showing more noise because there are half-as-many photosites as compared to the green, so I am seeing what people are complaining about and would expect shadow noise to be purple not green, I'm more concerned that these two example raws aren't actually comparable due to apparent differences in exposure. It is also odd that the lens listed in LR is different than the lens listed in the filename, so either someone has mistakenly or deliberately renamed the file wrong or someone or something has changed the EXIF parameters that LR is reporting to be the same when they're really not.

Capture One vs Adobe Camera Raw processing - what is better?

Hi,
I regularly shoot on a P45 back and Hassleblad camera. I shoot using Capture One software. It is much more convenient for me to process the files in Photoshop's Raw convertor than Capture One but I'm always a little worried that maybe it lacks the quality? I've not noticed any quality dip but most high end digital camera outlets process on Capture One.
Are their any significant differences if I process in Photoshop rather than Capture One? Is the quality the same?
One further detail: my images are heavily worked in Photoshop so very small colour variations are probably going to be negligible for my way of working.
Many thanks,
Mr Hairdo.

While I certainly agree that skill of the operator is the largest factor, I think it is a fair question because the results very dramatically.
Attached are screen shots from a very weak shot (go ahead and blast it) that was over exposed. I dropped the exposure by one stop in Aperture, ACR 5.3 and Capture One Pro 4.8 and did some high light recovery in each. You can see how varied the responses are with the image and histiogram. These are all at 100% and shot with a Nikon D3. If anyone can offer a clearer understanding of why the results are so varied that would be very helpful.
Thanks,
John
www.johnbeebe.ca

Can an iPhoto library be shared with Lightroom and capture one?

Since Aperture is being replaced by … nothing, how can I access the same library with multiple editors?

Neither iPhoto, Lightroom nor Capture One are editors. They are all database driven Photo Managers with non-destructive processing. There is no rational workflow that would use more than one of these apps, any more than it would make sense to write a novel in three different word processors at the same time.
Pick the one that suits your needs - if you're coming from Aperture then forget iPhoto, it's much less capable and also being end-of-lifed. Pick between Lightroom and Capture One. Then google the options for migration from Aperture to the one you choose.

Highlight banding problems NOT encountered in Capture One

I have noticed one issue with Lightroom since I started using it that may become a deal-breaker if I am not able to find a solution (or at least an explanation). The Issue is this:
In areas of intense, sharp highlights in my images (usually when a light source is in the frame) LR interprets these highlight areas in the Raw image much less smoothly than Capture One does. I have an example of each here (an exported JPEG that basically matches what I saw when looking at the Raw files):
Lightroom:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/1600778249_58791abf02_b.jpg
Capture One:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2106/1600776525_2e976c1b86_b.jpg
Notice the much better handling of the blue tonal gradations in the highlights in the upper left corner of the example from Capture One.
Is there anyone with enough knowledge of both LR and C1 to explain why the difference is so striking in the upper left corner? I've tried everything I can think of in LR (Recovery, adjusting the HSL sliders for blue and aqua, changing the contrast, exposure, etc...) and nothing works to solve the problem. Is this perhaps a color space issue? The image was shot in the sRGB color space, but the images were output in the Adobe 1998 space (this shouldn't matter and I assume the highlight problems would appear in an sRGB output as well). Or maybe it is just the way LR interprets Canon's Raw data? I find this all very confusing. Help!
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can get the image to look like the C1 version in LR? Or is this impossible?
The image was shot with a Canon 5D at ISO 800 without flash. I made only slight changes to the image in both LR and C1 to make the man's face less saturated. Other than that, this is the default handling of the Raw file from each program.
I'm running LR and C1 on a G5 iMac with 2GB of RAM, an ATI Radeon 9600 graphic's card, and a calibrated monitor.
Thank you to anyone who can shed some (smooth) light on this issue.

Okay, so the deal is, this area is completely blown out, even in the RAW data. You prefer the way CO handles this situation on this particular image, and I tend to agree. However, in most cases, I prefer how LR handles this by adding contrast to try to recover detail from blown areas. In this case, adding that contrast is causing a problem.
I can see no way to alter this particular image using LR/ACR to get what you want (a low-contrast diffuse transition from blown to unblown). If you have more of these, or if others have similar examples, that would be helpful.

Is there a way to import Raw files into LR catalog ..including..any edits performed in an external raw file editor such as Capture One?

Is there a way to import Raw files into LR catalog ..including..any edits performed in an external raw file editor such as Capture One?
I can import the Raw file successfully but cannot see any edits that were applied in Capture One. Im assuming no but just checking.

Your assumption is correct, Capture One, Lightroom and other third party raw processors have their own proprietary processes and profiles for rendering the raw data.
They do not make permanent changes to the raw data and store the changes to an .xmp file or to a catalog file like Lightroom.

Lightroom vs Capture One

I just got a dutch Photo Mag that compared Lightroom 2 to Capture One 4. I was amazed at the conclusion Capture One won the contest, based upon image quality results. I immediately downloaded a 30 day trial and compared LR, PS cS3 and CO side by side on my 30inch HD cinema display. Yes I could see a difference, especially that CO is able to deliver a bit more contrast while still keeping dark areas visible. It's difficult to compare sharpening because values don't match (compared LR 100-0,8 to CO 170-0,8).
Anyone working with Capture One and willing to share experiences?
Thank you.

I did a lot of work on this a while ago - C1 is very popular in the Leica M8 world. Bottom line is that a lot of the perceived difference in color is really a different tone curve. An LR brightness setting of about 35 gives a similar tone curve to C1.
If you want dig into enormous detail around color differences between LR, Aperture and C1, go here:
http://chromasoft.blogspot.com/2008/01/lightroom-aperture-and-capture-one-mini_24.html
Note however that the work above was pre-DNG profiles, it applies to old ACR type rendering.
I also posted some settings on how to get C1-like colors from Lightroom here:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/76171-aperture.htm l#post793752

How does one import Capture One 7.0 Pro files into Lightroom 5.3?

I'm trying to import CR2 files from Capture One Pro 7.0 into Lightroom 5.3. I've done this before but this time around LR5 is not seeing the files yet I know they're there.

Ok, I poorly communicated. I realize that the CR2 files came from my Canon camera. I made an assumption that the issue had something to do with the files being in a Capture One folder. It didn't make sense to me why I could view the files in a finder window. I had too many images in subfolders to drag and drop or move them. They were organized in Capture One subfolders from the shoot.
I also realize that the files are no more in Capture One then they are in LR.
Right after I posted this I decided to quit LR and restart my computer.
Issue resolved.
No idea what the issue was but it's moot.
Thank you both for the reply.

Aperture to Capture One Pro via Catpult - working

FYI I figured out how to make the Aperture to Capture One Pro connection work with the Catapult plugin in both directions, preserving repeated image edits in Capture One Pro. We can now use Capture One Pro as a (slightly awkward) plugin for Aperture, many people like their RAW conversion.
I think more could be done to make it simpler, but it is working.
My write up is on the Capture One Forum, here:
http://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=16675&sid=46e9c25c5f1d3770cc66 be99bda3441d

Hi,
Aperture is a versatile application, which lets you perform all or at least the most tasks to handle your digital camera image files. It helps a lot to edit files, which means you can select winners and losers very quickly and in a very sophisticated way. It renames files and adds IPTC meta data.
One thing is really cool: It imports your master RAW files und does not touch them any more. When you alter an image (cropping, brightness, white balance etc) this is only written in a data base and Aperture shows you the altered master file in a new preview called Version. This version does not exist physically. It is only a little descriptive text file. When you export your image for delivery Aperture creates real images.
It is possible to automate workflows with Apples´s Automator. Aperture organizes files in a single library but you can export master raw files or tif, psd or jpg copies. Aperture creates niece Websites, and offers book templates for PDF-output or printing via a print service. There is many more. But one thing I should point out: the raw conversion of Capture One Pro is in my opinion much better. More details, better color control. This will get better, I hope with future version of Aperture. We got a version 1.1 now and the developers of Aperture seem to know about our problems. So for me, Aperture is a very cool Workflow tool. RAW conversion is not state of the Art but equal to ACR. And having master file and derivatives alltogether without cluttering the harddisk is very clever. But I will keep my version of Capture One Pro for quality reasons.
I hope this helps a bit.
(Sorry for weak my english)
Regards,
Eberhard

Adobe dng converter dng available with Capture One 7

Dopo aver convertito in dng i file della Sony A7R non riesco a vederli in Capture One 7.
Qualcuno sa dirmi per favore qual è il problema? E' possibile che Capture One 7 non sia compatibile con i dng ex raw Sony?
Grazie

You can convert a whole folder of raw images in one click. See this quick video tutorial:
You Tube click here for DNG Converter tutorial

Capture One RAW Tiffs not previewing properly in Aperture

We just wrapped a big photoshoot and the photographer was using Capture One Pro. He gave me all of the raw files, but Capture creates RAW Tiffs. I imported them all to my Aperture, but now it's only showing me low-res jpeg previews. We switched computers mid-way and some of the previews are bigger than others, so I realize it's probably a setting in Capture One, but I want Aperture to show me the real file.
any suggestions?
thanks,
-A

euroskip wrote:
thanks, but i have to say, that's pretty weak on Apple's end. it was from a Phase One back and if apple wants to get into the pro game, they better get on board with what most pros are using at the moment.
thanks for the response, hopefully they fix that stat.
what's that lightroom? you wanna play? ok.
I agree that they need to add Phase One support, no question. They've got Leaf and Hasselblad. It's a huge oversight for them not to have Phase One.
That said, if this was a "big proshoot" as you say and the photographer gave you all of his raws why are you bouncing around between programs? You are not a digital tech or you'd already know what was up. If you're thinking that you can hit the ground running, fresh from an assignment, with no experience in any of these programs (Aperture, Lightroom, ACR, Capture One, etc.) then you've got a learning curve ahead of you.
It would probably be much more efficient for you to have the photographer process the raws for you (I don't know of any pro's who would hand off their raw files - it's just assuming too much on the client's end) or outsourcing to a digital tech who's knows how to work the files.
Jon Roemer
http://www.jonroemer.com/

Questions about iMac Core i7 Photoshop and Capture One performance.

Hello Everyone,
I am in the market for a new Mac and was thinking about the iMac Core i7.
Now my question is, how the performance in Photoshop is for that machine ?
I work on 24 Mpix raws and occasionaly on 30-40+ Mpix raws from Medium Format cameras.
My files quickly get up to 100 layers and I only work in 16 bit, so I am a little bit concerned if such an iMac would meet my expectations and the files get 1, 2 or 3 GB big. I would definately pump as much RAM inside as possible to get more speed.
What are your experiences ?
And the other thing I would like to know is how Capture One performs on that machine regarding tethered shooting and Batch Processing files into Jpegs ?
Thank you in advance !
Cheers,
Martin

Thank you guys for your answers.
If I am going to buy that iMac i definately would buy some Kingston Ram, not the apple one way too overpriced.
I am also concerned about the R/W speed of the iMac. What are you experiences with FW drives as Raid-sets ?
I also can't wait for CS 5. The 64 Bit version would definately speed up things and photoshop could finally access more than 3 GB of RAM and hope this will end my concernes about scratch disks.
@Wade: Partitioning the internal hard drive and using the second partition as scratch disk is not good. The needle of the drive would go crazy skipping between partitions.Never have the scratch disk on the same disk as photoshop. Also it would decrease your hard drives lifetime.
Cheers,
Martin.

Capture One DB and Pro v3

I'm considering the upgrade, but not confident about the compatiblity of the OS with Capture One. Does anyone have feedback as about the performance of the application on 10.6?

In the past when I've used the Nikon View / capture; it under performed. Either plagued with bugs or ran slow.
The PhaseOne folks don't guarantee the Capture One v3 to work on OS 10.6. But the v4 should.

Capture One Export opening Lightroom

Out of the blue, when I am exporting a file from Capture One to a folder, Lightroom is opening to import it. Capture One is set to "Open with None". Yesterday, it did't do that and I don't believe I changed anything in either application. Is there a setting I am missing in Lightroom? Any suggestions?
Thanks,

Where's the folder?
Is Lr set to "Show import dialog when a memory card is selected" in Edit > Preferences... > General?
(Can't see why this would cause what you describe, but it's where I'd start).

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