Capture One vs Adobe Camera Raw processing - what is better?

Hi,
I regularly shoot on a P45 back and Hassleblad camera. I shoot using Capture One software. It is much more convenient for me to process the files in Photoshop's Raw convertor than Capture One but I'm always a little worried that maybe it lacks the quality? I've not noticed any quality dip but most high end digital camera outlets process on Capture One.
Are their any significant differences if I process in Photoshop rather than Capture One? Is the quality the same?
One further detail: my images are heavily worked in Photoshop so very small colour variations are probably going to be negligible for my way of working.
Many thanks,
Mr Hairdo.

While I certainly agree that skill of the operator is the largest factor, I think it is a fair question because the results very dramatically.
Attached are screen shots from a very weak shot (go ahead and blast it) that was over exposed. I dropped the exposure by one stop in Aperture, ACR 5.3 and Capture One Pro 4.8 and did some high light recovery in each. You can see how varied the responses are with the image and histiogram. These are all at 100% and shot with a Nikon D3. If anyone can offer a clearer understanding of why the results are so varied that would be very helpful.
Thanks,
John
www.johnbeebe.ca

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I use CS4 but want to move to CS5 to get the additional features of ACR (excellent noise reduction, lens-specific aberration controls, etc.) Thus, my interest in using ACR vs AP3 for some of my images.
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I don't know the extent to which Aperture is designed to support the DNG file though. Does it handle it like a PSD file where it retains the full file content, but only supports displaying it in a limited fashion (e.g., no transparency)? Or should it actually read the .XMP data file and render it based on that info? I don't think this is the case as the .XMP data that pertains to adjustments made by another RAW decoder doesn't seem to be compatilble with the way Aperture is handling adjustments.
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Sorry I don't have more. I decided not to go with DNG and just archive with RAW and JPEG depending on what I end up wanting to do with the images.

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