Capturing HDV through Firewire

It seems in my Audio/Video settings that I have 2 Capture Preset options. The first is simply 'HDV' and the second is 'HDV Apple Intermediate Codec'.
If you're capturing HDV please share which you prefer. I'm trying to capture 1080i HDV footage.
I searched on the subject here and it didn't give me great results. I also searched the manual .PDF file which only turned out 1 result, explaining no details about it's features.
Thanks
Monty

HDV is for capturing the footage (via firewire) to its native HDV codec.
HDV Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) is for capturing the HDV footage (via firewire) to the Apple Intermediate Codec.
with FCP6.0.2 you can also capture HDV footage (via firewire) to Apple's ProRes codec.
HDV is a heavily compressed MPEG format which means the the data rate is quite low ... the same as DV in fact. Low data rates mean your disc can store more of the footage and it can handle more concurrent streams of that footage, however the down side is that the algorithm for this compression format is complex and consequently very taxing for the computer to manipulate when editing. Not every frame of video is encoded in its entirity, only I-frames, all other frames are stored as predictive data describing how these subsequent frames change as compared to previous of forthcoming I-frames. Its a processor intesive operation editing with this format and that impacts you most when rendering effects and treatments etc as those renders will take longer to process. All that said and done, you shouldn't be unecessarily alarmed, this is all pretty run of the mill for todays computers.
AIC is an "intermediate" codec meaning it is not intended as an acquisition format nor a delivery format, but just as an interim working format ... selecting this means your incoming HDV footage will be transcoded to this intermidate codec as it is captured. AIC is a codec which stores all the data for each frame individually, thereby bypassing those processor heavy calculation caused by the HDV codec, as a consequence there is much more data to be handled so the file sizes are necessarily bigger and your hard disc will need to be able to keep up with the extra data rate needed, especially for multiple concurrent streams.
ProRes, as with AIC, is an intermediate codec. It is considered to offer higher quality than AIC.
It worth noting that when outputting back to HDV tape via firewire, regardless of your edit codec, there is a long render process known as "conforming" which you need to perform first. The conform process re-encodes your edit master to a single media file which conforms to the HDV data stream format.

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