Carrier Grade NAT (CGN)

Verizon,
Verizon has announced some DSL customers will move to Carrier Grade NAT (CGN) which uses IPv6 instead fo the old standard IPv4 we use today (see verizon link below).
This basically means you can no longer port forward. IP cameras and many other applications require port forwarding so they can accessible from the internet outside the home. Many gamers also require this ability.
Eventually everyone will be on IPv6. My question is how will Verizon customers on IPv6 be able to port forward? Or will it just not be allowed?
I understand DSL customers can currently opt-out of CGN, but the point is at some point everyone will be moved to it.
Please See:
http://www22.verizon.com/support/residential/internet/highspeedinternet/networking/troubleshooting/p...
Thank you for your time
- Adam
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ADAM619,
At the moment we're unable to answer these questions.  When we have more information we will provide it here in the forums, and make it available at www.verizon.com.  Thanks for your patience during this transition. ~Ian
Ian_VZ
Verizon Support
Notice: Content posted by Verizon employees is meant to be informational and does not supersede or change the Verizon Forums User Guidelines or Terms or Service, or your Customer Agreement Terms and Conditions or Plan.

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    interface TenGigE0/3/1/7
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          Key type            : Unknown Package
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          Name                : Not Available
          Version             : Not Available
      Activated profile name  : None
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       Memory : 32768MB
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       VCPU   : 57
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      2              NIC net1      net1
      3              NIC net1      net1
      4              NIC net1      net1
      5              NIC net1      net1
      6              NIC net1      net1
      7              NIC net1      net1
      8              NIC net1      net1
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        TenGigE0/3/1/4
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        TenGigE0/3/1/6
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        TenGigE0/3/1/8
        TenGigE0/3/1/9
        TenGigE0/3/1/10
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                   SA11          up          up       service_base  1514   20480000
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                    SI3          up          up       service_base  1514       1024
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