Cartesis Vs SEM BCS Advantages / Disadvantages

Experts
Can somebody guide me, with advantages and disadvantages of implementing Cartesis Vs SEM BCS solution in major business scenarios ?
e.g Comparitive study of these two tools on diffrent business aspects.

This question keeps popping up - doesn't anyone use the 'search' function? - so I'll repeat what I posted, paraphrasing a discussion with a SAP sales director in Australia:
Re: Cartesis solution in SAP portfolio
SAP SEM-BCS is supported until 2013.
but SAP now owns 3 consolidation tools, each is currently valid.
- BCS,
- BPC (from Outlooksoft) and
- Cartesis (from Business Objects) all perform consolidation,
Each has its pros and cons;
- BCS - very good consolidation engine but not so user-friendly.
- BPC - user-friendly but not so good consolidation, also has a non-SAP layout.
- Cartesis - better consolidation engine than BPC but not as good as BCS. More user-friendy than BCS but not as good as BPC, again non-SAP layout.
Although each is currently valid, there will be a combination of the best of all 3 in a new product with a SAP layout (or the same new product will be combined into a new release under the name of an existing product) at a date to be determined.

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Transactional data for SEM-BCS

Dear experts!
We are working in a SEM-BCS project and wonder which is the best solution to load data from FI-GL into BCS.
As far as I know there are two possibilities to do this:
.) extract form RFBILA00 and then use the flexible upload method
.) load the data into a FI-GL-cube in BW and then use the read from data stream method
Does anybody have experience with these two variants and know about the advantages/disadvantages?
Does it make a difference if you use new or old general ledger (concerning the load scenario)?
For me the load from the info cube looks more elegant, but the sap help documentation describes only the RFBILA00-extract (if you look for integration with other SAP systems).
Thanks in advance for any help.
Best regards
Michael

Hi Michael,
- Abt. RFBILA00 - I tried to use it but refused. Maybe I wasn't lucky enough, but I couldn't get partners.
- Abt extraction to BW - try to use 0SEM_BCS_10.
- I also used to activate extraction total records to GLT3 and then using the generic datasource extracted it in BW.
- There are many ways for extacting data in BW. I even saw such a decision where the whole huge BSEG table was used.
A work with new GL, IMHI, is preferable for BCS consolidation since there are some features that make a life a bit easier (it's easier to setup ERP in order to extract all info needed).

SAP BPC Consolidations vs SEM-BCS

Hi all,
Has anyone compared the features/functionalities of SAP BPC Consolidation with SEM-BCS consolidation? What are the advantages of BPC Consolidation over SEM-BCS, and vice-versa? For a brand new implementation, what is the preferred tool?
Thanks,
Sujoy Banerjee

Hi Sujoy,
In general if you are starting out with a new implementation, BPC is the recommended solution for several reasons:
1) It's a unified solution offering both Consolidations and Planning
2) It's designed to be owned and managed by business users, not IT
3) It's integrated with the Enterprise Performance Management for Finance suite, which also includes profitability and strategy management
If however you need support for complex consolidation scenarios, such as legal consolidations, you may want to consider BCS.
You should be able to find several documents comparing the two solutions if you go the Support Center (https://websmp104.sap-ag.de/support) and do a document search on BPC vs. BCS.
Hope this helps.
Chris Clay

SEM-BCS maintenance

Hello,
Maintenance strategy of SAP for SEM-BCS is still not clear. This has already been discussed but various related threads do not agree and are maybe not up to date.
Latest information I get is that SEM-BCS enters in maintenance mode through 2011, with premium extended maintenance through 2013.
Besides this EC-CS is part of SEP-ERP and is then maintained till end 2017 (note 1223308). This is quite confusing as BCS has many advantages on EC-CS...
Am I wrong somewhere?
Pierre

Sorry, wrong forum. Please delete this message.

Multiple Fiscal Year Variant in the same client in SEM-BCS...

I have already looked at some earlier threads relating to this but didn't get a convincing answer to what I would like to know.
We have had a working SEM-BCS system with fiscal year variant K4. There was no need for defining leading fiscal year variant and none was defined. SAP, by default takes, K4 as the leading fiscal year variant.
Now there is a requirement for going on a different fiscal year variant for which we have created another databasis (there were a few other reasons besides these) with the same InfoObjects that we used earlier but with different fixed parameters, one of which is fisc year variant V9. Soon, we started experiencing bizarre dumps in the configuration which ultimately convinced me to define a leading fiscal year variant. I was reluctant to do so because there is a lot of old data (which will become 'historical' from new data basis point of view) from the working system on K4 that would still need to be reported on even when we have new BCS solution in the new fiscal year variant V9. That is not going away. There is a need to keep the old data for reporting (hence the rationale for a different data basis among a few others).
Since earlier Master Data was configured in the old fisc year variant K4, now I have defined the leading fiscal year variant as V9 so that MDF can appropriately identify the period dependency.
I would like to know if any of you have had an unexpected behavior from the system going forward. Does the system dump out when you try to read the old data (from earlier K4).
I have tried to explain the dilemma as clearly and succinctly as possible but if you need more clarifications, please do let me know.
I would really appreciate your help in this.

Is your requirement is that K4 to be changed to Z5.
The best way you can do it is in the transformation. Instead of directmapping,
Write a code like this in the trransformation to the cube
If SOURCE FIELD - 0FISCVAR eq 'k4'.
SOURCE FIELD - 0FISCVAR = 'Z5'.
I dont think we can change th data in the query being displayed. we can change the keyfigure values in query by frmulas etc...
but for a characteristic, i think we will be able to restrict bt not change the value.
to obtain the requirement, w have to get the data change before query designer that is in the cube leve.
Hope this helps,
Sri...

Unable to provide input value to InfoObject in SEM-BCS

Hello BI Experts,
I have created an infoobject 'ABC' in BI and have flagged 'With Master Data' and 'With Text'. This infoobject has an navigational attribute 'XYZ'(XYZ also has 'With Master Data' and 'With Text').
When I go to T.Code UCWB(BCS Workbench), I could able to see the infoobject 'ABC' and when I try to create master data for 'ABC', I do not see the input field for 'XYZ'. I want to input values in Infoobject 'XYZ' through this screen(SEM-BCS) and not through BI(right-click on infoobject 'Maintain Master Data). Please let me know, if I am missing anything.

Hi Shekar
I find the ICD setup very 'picky'! If you get one thing wrong, it doesn't work. I have detailed below the steps I usually advise people to tek. Check your setup and see if this helps.
1. Define Plan Type, Compensation Category = Others.
2. Define Plan. Link to Plan Type. Plan Usage = May not be in program. On Not in program Tab - define sequence, currency, enrollment rate (per pay period?), activity reference period (Monthly). Your settings may need to be different. On Plan details tab, enter plan years.
3. Plan enrollment requirements. On the general tab, plan sub tab, make sure the method = EXPLICIT. this allows the user to enter an input value for the ICD. THIS MAY WELL BE THE SOURCE OF YOUR PROBLEM!
Make sure the CERTIFICATION region is UNTICKED. This can also cause ICDs not to work.
ALLOWS UNRESTRICTED ENROLLMENT must be TICKED. Otherwise there is no eligibility to the ICD.
On the rates subregion, make sure the run strt date is set to ENTERABLE.
4. standard Rates form. Make sure the ACTIVITY TYPE and TAX TYPE are entered. Select the ELEMENT and the INPUT VALUE and TICK the ELEMENT AND INPUT VALUE REQUIRED field.
On the processing Information tab - TICK ASSIGN ON ENROLMENT, DISPLAY ON ENROLLMENT and PROCESS EACH PAY PERIOD. Enter PER PAY PERIOD AMOUNT in VALUE PASSED TO PAYROLL and OTHER in COMPENSATION CATEGORY.
Let me know if this works!
Regards
Tim

SEM-BCS (BW Reporting)

Hi All,
I would like to know how SEM-BCS stores data (balance values) in BW cube. If I have to generate a B/S report, how would I restrict the Key Figure to show balance as of the 2nd quarter? The issue is the ranging of the Posting Period. Is it (4 to 6) or 6(Last month of quarter) or (1 to 6)?
Thank.

it depends what you want. you want to show cumulative balance or non-cumulative balance from ytd.
since it is balance sheet, i would assume u r refereing to the cumulative balance from ytd ( which also includes the balance carry forward.)
in that you can restrict it to period 1 through 6.
other case:
you report only shows the monthly balances or transactions in the month. then you can go for period restriction period 6.
hope this helps.
Regards,
BWer
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SEM-BCS Short Dump while executing Manual Posting Task

Hi SEM-BCS Colleagues,
I am having a peculiar problem with relation to the settings for Manual Postings. I have three scenarios for which I have defined manual document types and tasks 1) Standardizing Entry (Data Collection) 2) Manual Document in IU for adjustment 3) COI Group level manual postings. I am just creating and not changing any settings for document field properties also. I have configured monthly consolidation frequency and period category and I am posting document type 1 in Local Currency and 2 and 3 in Group Currency since they are after currency translation.
Have any of you faced similar problem and help me please?

Hello,
I am also getting short dump during data collection in BCS.
we recently upgraded the system to SP20. Is it anyway related to upgrade.
I also checked the MYSELF as a source system, but not found one.
Could you please let me know how you have solved this issue.
short dump:
Runtime Errors         PERFORM_TOO_MANY_PARAMETERS
Exception              CX_SY_DYN_CALL_PARAM_NOT_FOUND
Date and Time          04.12.2009 05:21:11
Short text
     Too many parameters specified with PERFORM.
What happened?
     In a subroutine call, there were more parameters than in the
     routine definition.
     Error in the ABAP Application Program
     The current ABAP program "SAPLRSDRI" had to be terminated because it has
     come across a statement that unfortunately cannot be executed.
Error analysis
     An exception occurred that is explained in detail below.
     The exception, which is assigned to class 'CX_SY_DYN_CALL_PARAM_NOT_FOUND', was
      not caught in
     procedure "RSDRI_CUBE_WRITE_PACKAGE_RFC" "(FUNCTION)", nor was it propagated by
      a RAISING clause.
     Since the caller of the procedure could not have anticipated that the
     exception would occur, the current program is terminated.
     The reason for the exception is:
     A PERFORM was used to call the routine "CUBE_WRITE_PACKAGE" of the program
      "GPD1S8520HM8UV0U2XBDVPADF03".
     This routine contains 7 formal parameters, but the current call
     contains 10 actual parameters.

Concept of Integrated Consolidation Unit of SEM BCS

HI Experts,
I'm now in the SEM BCS 4.0 and BW 3.5 implementation. Previously I was the ECCS specialist and before the FI and AM specialist.
Now I'm in SEM BCS implementation.
I have one question in connection to the integrated consolidation unit. As the reference, I take the concept of this using the ECCS.
As you might know, the creation of integrated consolidation unit for using realtime update method in ECCS, is pulled from FI company ID.
Meanings if I set the configuration properly, I can pull out the company master data as the consolidation unit master data in consolidation monitor.
Now, in SEM BCS, I want to do the same thing. I mean, off course I can create company ID in R/3 and then create the consolidation unit manually using UCWB. But this scenario can create inconsistency, and I also think this is not the right concept of doing integration between R/3 and SEM BCS.
My question is : what is the concept of this master data integration, and what is the proper way to do it?
Any advise on this question is highly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
regards,
Halim

Hi Halim,
You need to build properly your data basis in data model.
Assign your company to a consolidation unit role:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_sem350bw/helpdata/en/dd/f3783bcfef4a2de10000000a114084/frameset.htm
I sent to you the file concerning BCS that you asked for in another thread.
Best regards,
Eugene

SEM BCS - Consolidation Chart of Accounts

Hi all,
For the SEM-BCS implementation I am using ECC as the operational system. ECC folks are in the process of building a group chart of account in FI.
Can you suggests the work around to map group chart of account to consolidation chart of account in SEM-BCS?
Thanks in advance
RJ

I am not sure if anybody has replied you.
In SEM 4.0, You need to download the chart from R3 and then upload as hierrachy in the UCWB workbench.
In SEM.6.0, You have master data load direct from R3 and you can do the same.
Functional advice:-
Normally R3 creates operational chart of account in R3. Each account has a group account feild, if populated the mapping of operational chart to group is amintained in R3 itself.
You can upload the GL master with group chart account number and then this will obviously have the mapping for your use in BCS.
Consolidation chart of account in R3 (if its the accepted group chart) will be the same group chart which your ECC guys are preparing.
Are they using ECCS in R3??
Rgds
Samir Neji

How SEM BCS handled balance carried forward?

Hi,
I would like to find out how SEM BCS handled balance carried forward?
Income statement
Profit after Tax - 50
Balance Sheet
Retained profit (last year) - 100
Current Year profit - 50
How do i configurate 'Profit after Tax' = 'Current Year profit' in workbench? Is BCS going to store the computed results?
Balance items (ie 'Retained profit (last year)' and 'Current Year profit') by default are carry forward to next year in BCS.
Do i need to configurate 'Current Year profit' add to 'Retained profit (last year)'?
Pls advise.
Thanks.
Regards, Renee

Hi Renee,
By default, the balance sheet items are to be carried forward to next year. If you dont make any settings, both items, Retained profit (last year) and Current Year profit will be transferred to themselves, that is not correct.
You need to show the system which items are to be carried forward not to themselves.
To force the system to make the proper transfer, in UCWB go to Consolidation Functions -> Balance Carryforward -> Items to be Carried Forward.
Enter there the following information:
<b>Orig. Item__________Debit Item_______Credit Item</b>
Current Year profit____RE (last year)_____RE (last year)
Do the similar operation for all items to be carried to other than themselves items, for example dividends of the current and last years etc.
Hope this helps.

BW Based SEM BCS

Hello...
I have a problem as explained below , will appricate if anybody can share there experience to help me out of it. THX IN ADVANCE....
<b>Problem :</b>
We are using standard extractor 0SEM_BCS_10 for extracting R/3 data for SEM-BCS. We observed that Company ID of Trading partner was not being extracted even for those line items in FI which has Trading partner value.
We investigated and observed this extractor fetches data from new GL Stagging ledger and further noticed that the stagging ledger captures this information about trading partner only if Scenario "Preparation for Consolidation" is assigned to the stagging ledger. But the problem is extractor is capturing the above information only prospectively and we have the requirment to capture Trading partner information even for our historic data.
Is there any way we can achive this.
Thanks & Regards
Prabhakar

Hi
Do you have some document on BCS ?
Thanks
Satya

ABAP-OO, CT_DATA structure in SEM-BCS.

ABAP-OO, CT_DATA structure in SEM-BCS.
I have been asked to append intermediate sum records to CT_DATA by coding in the method IF_EX_UC_DATATRANSFER~FINALIZE of the implemented class ZCL_IM_BCS_DATASTREAM which has been implemented to class CL_EX_UC_DATATRANSFER.
But I cannot find documentation of how do get hold of the CT_DATA structure that comes visible while debugging my method skeleton.
Could anyone give a hint how this structure is actually created and am I heading for troubles when trying to append records to CT_DATA.

Thank you for your kind answer, but I am sorry to say that the first way through signature gives only Type spec. TYPE STANDARD TABLE and in the class attributes I have not been able to find any structure for CT_DATA.
I suspect that the structure is created dynamically from customizing and I would like replicate that creation in my method. Yours rs

Copy data posting level 20 - 30 is not allowed SEM BCS

Hi expert,
We need to copy data from a version to another version, is very
important for us to import documents with posting level 20/30. Copy
task is only used for documents with posting level 01 - 10. But, in EC - CS we could to execute the copy program for this kind of documents,
and we are migrating from Ec-cs to SEM BCS so, we need to keep the same
funcionality.
Any idea in order to solve it? Badi´s? user exits?
Thanks in advance,
Beatriz Bernardos

Hi
It is not possible to copy data at posting level 20 and 30 as they are group entries.
Logically, it should not allow one to copy the entry at posting level 20 and 30.
SAP doesnt support copying data at posting level 20 and 30.
I had same kind of requirement in all of my BCS project but I believe logically it is not correct to copy group level entry.
Alterntively, what you can do is,
create export datasource to load the data back into BCS integration cube from BCS total records virtual cube by changing posting level 20/30 to 01 or 10 in the update rule.
It still believe it will give you the wrong result in the report.
Please have a common understanding with customer that it is not possible copy posting level 20/30
Regards,
Manish

Issue in uploading Hierarchy from BW to SEM BCS

Hi All,
We are getting the following error while trying to upload the hierarchy from BW to SEM BCS.FYI , Hierarchy is loaded into BW but it still throws an error.
Error is : No hierarchies for InfoObject 0PROFIT_CTR available in BW.
Can somebody help me out ...
Regards,
Jeevan

Hi Eugene,
I am loading from BW (0PROFIT_CTR) hierarchy to SEM BCS.
I am loading thru "Load from data stream".
Following are the steps :
1.Selected data type "Consolidation unit"
2.Selected characteristic "Profit Center"
3.In the settings tab,
a) I also maintained "source data basis" with the Infoobject cataloag & I used the same.
b) selected "0profit_ctr" infoobject.
c)also selected the check boxes "load master data" & "load hierarchy".
4)In the mapping tab, selected all the necessary fields and mapped correctly.
5)In the selection tab,maintained controlling area = 1000 .
6)after the steps 1to 5, executed the method.
It gives an error "No hierarchy exists in BW for profit center ".
Can you tell me, do we need to do any other steps before executing the method.
Regards,
Jeevan

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