Case Cooling

my case is running around 28*c is this pretty normal or is it kindve hot?
i have a kt7 turbo2 motherboard and an amd xp 2000+

you know what guys... ambient temp/room temp is REALLY REALLY a VERY IMPORTANT factor in case/cpu cooling.
no matter how good your cooling is you'll just have to bear with a higher system temp if you live in a hot place...
in my case... well i'll just have to bear living in a place with 31°C as the lowest room temp (I am already lucky if i get downt to 29°C)  :]

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    I want to know if the SYSFAN 3 pin connector has a current limit? And if it could damage my board?
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    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article6-page1.html
     I had a noisy fan and made my own speed reducer with 8V voltage regulator I had but the above works just as good and is free if you have the needed hardware.

  • Has anyone tried a 3rd party laptop cooling pad?

    I have had my macbookpro 2.16 for about 2 1/2 weeks now, temp averages at about 40c during what i normally do, but the base of it is still too hot to comfortablly use on my lap. I have been using a large book as a buffer for the heat, recently I saw some 3rd party cooling pads with fans in them, running of USB power, has anyone tried one?

    I use Vantec Lapcool 4. It folds and quite small for transporting (fits nicely into my bag). It uses 2 fans powered either by USB or by AC. Also adds 4 USB ports.
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  • X1900XT Cooler options?

    I was wondering if anyone modified their CTO MacPro with this VGA Cooler:
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    im not sure how much i want to test the waters with the one i purchased or look for a used X1900xt and try it on there
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    I taped the Fluke thermocouple to the center of the S1 heat sink, between the fins, directly below the new case cooler fan.
    I ran iTunes with full screen visualizer to give the GPU something to think about, for 20 minutes. Then with that running, opened Temperature Monitor and did a screen capture.
    Powered off, waited 10 minutes, opened up the MP, and removed the Thermaltake (had to remove the X1900XT to pull the power connector, and noticed that I use the middle finger of my left hand to reach down and move the release clip upward, not the index finger.)
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    So, it is helping to remove enough case air to make a difference in temps all over the place, but only a very small difference. I can always increase the MP fans a tiny bit more with smcFanControl and get the same cooling difference.
    Oh, the themocouple temp with the sensor in the middle of the cooling fins was 100 F in both test cases. Ambient was 69F.
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    John F

  • MSI K8N Neo Platinum with Vapochill Case problems - Help anyone. :)

    Hi all,
    Had a bit of a tricky problem and as Im new to this board I have no idea what could be causing this.
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    MSI K8N Neo Platinum -
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    Nvidia Gefore 6600GT
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    I have also retested the Vapochill case with another motherboard and that also works without a hitch.
    The problem comes when I insall the MSI board into the system, all hooked with a really basic setup, PSU, Case cooling, CPU and Ram. Flick the on switch on the power suply and the system turns on for around 1/2 a second then turns off again. I found this strange because it soundnt come on at all until I press the power button.
    If I press the power button the same thing will happen over and over.
    I have tried a different powersupply and this does nothing at all.
    I have checked for shorts and there is no possible way it is shorting on anything.
    I have a fan plugged in where the CPU fan would go and this doesnt help.
    I have taken it back out and tested it again and it still works ok.
    Does this sound familiar to anyone? Are there any secret Bio's menu's that would have an option that would solve this?
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    Glenn

    When you are running the MoBo standalone, what are you connecting to the Power, Reset, HDD, etc. pins ?  Are you using the wires from the Vapochill case, or something else ?  It looks like a single cable with an intermittent switch (red/white cable).  I once had a similar sort of problem and it was because I hadn't connected up (the incredibly fiddly) cables correctly.  Other than that, I would have gone for a short of some sort - but you have checked that already, so . . . .
    As to the system starting to power-up when you switch on the PSU, I wouldn't worry too much about this.  It seems to happen from time to time with some of my systems - amongst other things, the BIOS can be set to resume to previous state after a power-fail.

  • How usual can I use Cooler XP program ?

    I have such computer:
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    You can use cooler xp most of the time if not all the time. Some user have reported good stability while using it but for me it sometimes hang my games.

  • Card Cooling

    What is a better way to cool a video card?
    When it's really hot, like today, and the room temp is at 95F or above I have problems.
    Yes, I don't have AC. :]
    My Geforce 4 card just gets too dam hot and I get dumped back to Windows after a couple minutes of playing games, any games. :(
    I have plenty of case cooling, four fans in an Antec SX830 case.
    I use a CoolerMaster Heatpipe unit on the CPU, never reaches 50C even on a day like today.
    I have come to the conclution it has to be my Geforce 4 and I need an idea on how to keep that sucker at a usable temp.

    Well, my friend,
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    First: you can replace the cooler in your card with one which don't use more than one pci slot, or better, if you can adapt a new 70 mm fan to your card's cooler it's better.
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    Well, check your PSU and memory, they can be the reason of this  strange behaviour, i said they CAN BE....
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    Maestro
    AMD Athlon XP 1800+ @ 2100+ only with FSB oc, MSI KT3 Ultra ARU- Vcore at 2.00 v (mod), GF3 Ti200 oc 220/510, 256 mb Cheap ddr 266 memory (since i live in costa rica it's hard to find good memory...) and i'm italian

  • Using NB fan connector for case fan?

    Seeing as the only fan supplies that support fan control are the CPU and NB, if I'm using a Zalman cooler instead of a NB fan to cool the chipset, is it possible to utilise the spare NB fan connector for one of the case fans?
    Or is that a silly idea because the speed of the fan will be dictated by the temperature of the NB chipset which may or may not enable sufficient case cooling?
    Has anyone tried this?

    In actual fact I have 7 x 80mm Cooler Master Fans in my system. 2 in the back, 2 in the front, 2 on the CPU (Hyper6) and 1 on the clear side door. All fans are the CoolerMaster Blue LED type and spin no faster than 2600RPMs. I never slow down the CPU fans ..... system is always on and always doing something stressfull   but using Speedfan or CoreCenter I can slow both fans on the CPU down to 20%.
    4 of the fans are powered through the mainboard (through PSU) and the other 3 using the PSU molex power connectors (not the FAN_ONLY connectors .... not enough juice  ).

  • NB Cooler question

    Does it make sense to remove that cooler from the 875P Neo-FIS2R and replace the stock thermal compound with Arctic Silver 3 thermal compound? How easy is that? Or is the cooler glued to the NB?

    Quote
    Originally posted by Petej61
    Yeah im getting same as you Mob ...NB fan sounds warn out already (bearing noise)
    Have ordered a SUNON 40mm 8.9 CFM 26 dB 7500 rpm and a AKASA 40mm 19 CFM 28 dB ? rpm (19 sounds too high for a 40mm ? ...will see when they arrive)
    Dont know if the Akasa will have an rpm sensor, the Sunon doesnt (as far as i can tell from info) ...will use one on the north bridge and the other in my spare CD-ROM position
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    Akasa http://www.akasa.co.uk/
    Delta http://www.deltaww.com/products/dcfans/
    Panaflo http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/appliance/appliance_fans_panaflo_axial.htm
    Papst http://www.papstplc.com/
    Sunon http://www.sunonusa.com/
    YStech http://www.yensun.com.tw/frameset.htm
    UPDATE:- Fans arrived this morning and both have Tacho sensors  :D ...god knows where AKASA get 19 CFM from there fan gives about half the air flow of the Sunon (rated at 8.9 CFM)
    The AKASA is the one im using for the north bridge replacement, it runs at 6000 rpm and looks exactly the same as the standard NB fan (40x40x10) except black with no disco lights!!!  :D
    The Sunon gives better air flow but whines (7500 rpm),also its 40x40x25 -chunky ...i'll use this in my spare CD-Rom slot for added case cooling (probably on 7v to stop the whine)
    I got both these fans here (UK only):-
    http://www2.theoverclockingstore.co.uk/

  • Installing MoBo into case

    Motherboard: MSI P6N Platinum
    Case: Cooler Master Centurion 5
    neither the motherboard nor the case manuals have any instruction on installing the mobo into the case. I've been reading guides, and they keep refering to "standoffs", which my neither my case nor motherboard come with. The case has no built in standoffs - the screw holes are flat against the panel.
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    hi.... well, it's understandable why motherboard manual nor the case manuel did not include any instruction... but anyway, Internet does.
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  • Thermal paste and cooling

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    I am a volunteer, and not a paid staff of Lenovo or Microsoft

  • My introduction and a hardware discussion.

    Hello Adobe forums.
    Its nice to meet you all. This is going to be a heavy first post, hopefully it will bloom into a great discussion.
    I have been reading and learning and just wracking my brain around all the great info here for building a NLE system.
    For starters let me introduce my self, I am Erik, and I have been a long ago user of Premier. In fact I was in undergrad when i made my first cut and ripple delete. that was 1999 and I think there wasnt even premier pro, my memory recalls premier 7 or something, then a year into college it changed to PP. I might have that all mixed up too.
    So anywho, cut on adobe all thru undergrad and then went to grad school and learned the Avid system. I have no hang ups about either system, in my experience a cut is a cut and a dissolve is a dissolve no matter what system makes it.
    I am now released from grad school and am out on my own again, in my life I will never be able to afford an avid system like our school had, with a nitrous, composers in the big lab and a huge audio booth with avid something for multi track mastering. I want to touch back to my roots there for I have chosen to return to adobe, in the flavor of production premium.
    I am excited to see what's different and also about being able to work with out rendering, I remember the days when in order to see anything i had to first render, make a tiny change then render again, you all know this cycle too well i am sure.
    I am a simple one thing at a time guy, independent, I dont unless specifically asked edit for clients. I write my shorts and full lengths, shoot them, edit them and play on the festival circuit.
    So that is my intention for my NLE system.
    I will say I am exceedingly happy with a lot of the info on this forum. In school sadly we are only taught the artisan side of editing and those areas, the digital science end is left to our own exploration. since starting my research I went from the basic concept of data rate of the camera and how big a memory card I need, to the more important how fast the memory card can write. Also applying this knowledge to the concepts in the computer for the NLE, so a big thanks to the guys I see adding valuable info such as, Harm, ADK boys, Videoguys and other members with great input. Thank to you all.
    After all that lets talk about the prospected build.
    CPU: 3960, socket 2011.  I was satisfied with a lga 1155 but you all convinced me i can have a longer living machine with room for improvements over the next few years.
    MBO: ASUS X79 sabertooth.
    Ram: Gskill ripjaws Z 1600  64gig pack.
    GPU: asus gtx 680 4gb ddr5
    ASUS dvd bruner/ drive sata
    Cooler Master 1200w silent pro gold
    Case: Cooler Master haf 932 advanced
    Cooling: Cooler Master Seidon Liquid cooler.  I wanted air cooling but in order to allow room for the ram this was the best solution.
    SSD1: OS and programs, Intel 335 series 240gb, I know many will say thats larger than i need, but it works for me.
    SSD2: Render and export, Intel 335 series 240gb
    Hdd1: Projects, 1tb wd black caviar 7200rpm sata 3.0 32mb cache
    hdd2:  Cache "same as above"
    hdd3:  Media"ditto"
    Now as I explore the MB more and more I have learned that there is an extra 2 sata 6 on the MB. AS learned from Harm in another post those 2 extra satas are on the maverick which shares with the gpu, however this MB does not suffer a performance loss of the gpu if i was to use those two slots for later drive expansion. Again for later when money allows.
    Now lets discuss my personal work flow.
    I shoot nikon d800, with a Pix 220 external recorder. I use DNxHD codec at 220Mbs @8 bitdepth.
    My editing style is one thing at a time. I am a simple man, when i cut, i cut. I don't have the multitasking ability to cut one project while doing effects in AE and render in the background. Just too much for me to do at once.
    I am a patient man, and like i said above I dont have clients so when I render/export I usually just walk away or go eat/sleep whatever. My time is my own so my deadlines are for festival entries. Of course I want as quick as possible, who would turn down speed?
    Going back to one thing at a time, this is where i became strange from my fellow students, when I am finished with a project I am done. I dont go back and tweak like many of my former colleagues. When I make the export, bar any major problems, the video file is placed on a back up external hdd and a disc, then the work computer is formatted and ready for the next project.
    Me thinks that covers all aspects of my workflow, if there is anything more specific you need to know please ask.
    My questions for discussion.
    first and foremost, look over the parts and please point out any things you see as funky, missing or things that will have issues that you learned from your experience.
    I know you will all suggest a raid0 some where. For this point in time I would like to stick to single drives with single tasks to keep them from reading and writing at the same time or at least to a minimum. I like to have stability of my data, but I also understand that perhaps there is a speed requirement for my codec to play back smoothly. So if I must, I am open to raid0 in the future when i can afford a stable backup of all the stuff.
    Leading to my next question. Of a few posts out there in adobe forums, the general idea is a hdd can playback pretty heavy duty video if the hdd is purposed for video only. I am using 220Mbs would the WD CB be able to handle that if dedicated?
    please look at the intended use for my drives, I am only copying what i have seen as advice on the forums, but would like some input as to the how and why you would make one drive as the cache, media and projects drives. any other suggestions for what would be a better use of single drives?
    i need your help to educate me in some things i couldn't find on my own. Several times i see members talk about streams, is a stream meaning playing the timeline in multiple monitors? or is it also refering to multiple video tracks. video 1,2,3,4, playing at once?
    Are filters considered streams? since i shoot dslr i have to automatically use 3 filters off the bat, rolling shutter remove, color, and a touch of sharpness. sorry for the basic info like i said i was taught the artisan side of editing first.
    I am very used to taking my footage from the camera storing it, then importing and transcoding in the Avid to a low low bit rate to make the editing smooooth. A bit rate of 36Mb or so, then after picture lock, connecting with my orginal media for the color correction post effects and export.
    since it has been sooo long and I have learned so much, I would assume that PP allows for this type of online off line editing style, does it?
    Personally I would rather not have to transcode and edit natively, which as I can see, is what adobe is selling since cs5
    I think thats a great place to stop. You guys dont need to write me a text book for an answer, like i did above, please point to links and I will read. If you fingers really want to type away and I will read it too.
    Thank You all for your time and input.
    ESR

    Well, I don't like to make a thread and then just leave it unfinished.
    The beast is built, runs cool, looks cool and in my experience is blazing fast even at stock speeds.
    I have not begun to overclock yet as I dont fully understand how and I am researching the how tos and theory behind it. I dont want to go changing voltages and cook everything. Ill get there though, one day.
    No major build issues, in factthis is the first machine I have built in 13 years, and back then usb 2.0 just came out and the standard device connect was IDE ribbon, plus a 200gb hard drive was THEE monster, for the public that is.
    For those of you out there looking at this forum and nervous about assembling your first PC, I say to you, do you research, take you time and make sure all parts will work in balance with your intended use and then assemble.
    Other than childbirth, the simultaneous feelings of terror and excitement are something you must experience, its the ultimate high.
    I have waded thru some issues and a learning curve in the UEFI bios these days. Like I said above, last time i built a computer  there was no bios, I used to have to put the jumpers in the right place. I kinda miss that, but dont get me wrong, on screen bios, woof, i love it.
    I would like to discuss some things with you guys as there are some oddities I want to root out.
    First, I noticed that running asus utilities, such as, gpu tweak, ai suite ii, conflicts with adobe software.
    How? it slows it down a bit here and there, and it seems to cause some crash, force quit not bsod, when closing adobe programs. what happens and how i know a crash is coming is when closing PR, the second monitor will stay full screen on the last image and not move. If i dont hit the windows button or alt tab to another program it will sit there for hours, after the tab or windows key then windows says it stopped responding and to force it to close.
    any one else having similar issues? or any recommendations as to some setting in windows/bios/adobe that i may have over looked.
    This only happens to me when i have ai suite and gpu tweak open. all other times with out those programs running adobe is smooth as glass.
    the other weird thing I have noticed on several forums is the Asus utilities programs are buggy. I was experiencing incredibly loooong lag after boot up when having the ai suite ii on the active services list. it was strange, boot into windows was fine but it seems like the suite either has in incredible amount of files to open or it just conflicts with windows.
    here is the exact scenario, windows welcomes you with the sound, you wait a second to react, no hour glass, open the win tab and select either computer, or resource manager, when your me and trying to see what is making the system work so hard and long, the tab sits there for 1min doing nothing, then drops a bit leaving the graphic glitches and sits there longer. finally your window pops up and then everything is hunkey dorey till your next restart.
    after disabling anything asus in the services tab i have not had this issue for a week now.
    do you guys with asus MBO use their software? or do you guys just skip it all together? and have you experienced these bugs?
    one thing about this long lag issue that looms in the back of my mind (even with it hopefully solved) is i never had this type of lag while on the OS ssd. After I plugged in the other 6 drives the next boot was absolutely awful. It took me 30mins to format each one, due to i couldn't control the mouse for more than second and then it would register my movement and shoot me across the screen so i had to baby step it back to the drive format window.
    After getting all the hdds formatted it made the lag intermittent like stated above.
    all drivers are current, ssds are on latest firmware. I had a fight with the marvell though, it would always register my two drives on it as unpluggable devices and i could actually click safely remove them and the would disappear. but after reading and researching i got it all setup right. I mention this because it bothers me in the back of my mind even though the issue appears to be solved from the drive end and the asus software end.
    share with me if any of you have had this type of experience on your build and what you did to overcome it incase i missed a step in bios or in windows setup.
    to clarify further:
    I run ahci mode on intel and marvell. not a raid man.
    the ports are filled as such.
    intel sata 6 has my os/programs ssd and the render/export ssd.
    the asus dvd burner is on a intel sata 3
    the other 3 intels are just wd black hdd
    the marvel has 2 additional wd hdd.
    like i said the massive lag cam after i plugged all that in, formatting made it intermittent and removing asus software seems to have solved it. just looking for experiences and any missed steps.
    second wierd thing is, and perhaps this is why you guys call it QUIRKtime. I can not export dnxhd quiktime format to my render/export drive. It is a intel 335 ssd with latest firmware, (sorry Harm, the specs were great and the price was too) i have all permissions on the drive, but every time i try to export to it in that format i get the export faild can not create source file. All other formats work with out a hitch, just dnxhd quicktime at any resolution.
    and lastly, i must be an idiot but i cant seem to get PR to render my audio effects, or that there just not big enough to place them on the drive. its odd, PR is set to have audio previews on its own HDD, and PR creates the folder for renders/previews but never puts anything into them.
    Also when i click render audio, its instant playback, faster than i can hit home and l. I have tried to make the files complex with many many filters and effects on audio but no dice.
    exported time lines, and sending projects to SG, AE, audition everything works just fine, but its like i will fill up my audio previews HDD with nothing but empty folders. anyone had this issue before? I have settings set to render audio at the same time as video.
    those are the only bugs as of now to report. this sytem like i said at stock speed is blindingly fast for me and my work flow, I see a loooong life for this computer.
    thank you for reading and thank you all for your input on my little issues, it will save my hair.
    Erik.

  • Building a system for the first time

    I recently posted a few weeks back about buying a system from either Dell or HP http://forums.adobe.com/thread/732545?tstart=0.  I quickly learned that those systems were not going to fit my need based on my budget.  So, I decided after researching components that I will build a computer by hand for the first time.  I am still operating on a budget of around $1000, but I'm giving the budget a bit of flexibility so I don't limit my options.  I am a hobbyist who only has experience using Power Director on my laptop, but I had a lot of fun editing for the first time and I want to step up my game.  With the new system, I plan to use adobe premiere cs5 and after effects.  I will capture my video from either an HD Helmet cam or HD flip format is  MPEG-4 AVC/H.264.  So where I need help is selecting the right things to optimize my performance.  The following is a list of items I'm looking with their prices.  Please help me decide what will be right for me.  Open to any combo of suggestions or comments. Thanks!
    Processor
    Intel i7 930 $200 microcenter
    Intel i7 950 $230 microcenter
    I don't know if I want overclock yet, but it sounds like a good idea.  $30 for the upgrade to the i7 950 seems pretty good. ro do I use the money elsewhere?
    Motherboard
    GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R $210
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423
    Seems like a good mobo. Are there any features that this board lacks that I should look for in another board? Also, newegg offers significant deals on "open box" products.  Is this a good way to go?
    Ram
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  • Stability + boot issue MSI X48C Platinum

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    Hard drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB
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    case: Cooler Master CM690, with 6 120mm case fans (3x Scythe S-Flex 1900 RPM)
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    -CPU (how to damage this CPU at stock speeds, with a properly mounted Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme and a S-Flex 1200 RPM as cooling)

    Added to signature.
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    [edit2]
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  • New System Build feedback/advice, please...

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    Budget:  I'd like to stay close to $1000-1300, but can spend more for significant performance gains. As I do more  research, my inclinations are trending higher.
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    Vendor: Newegg unless I can save big $$ else where. I like B&H.
    It needs to be an Intel machine & I have chosen lga 2011 becuase I'll eventually go to 64gb. I'll do some modest overclocking.
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    Processor:
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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229
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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492
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    Hard Drive:
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    $160
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    Video:
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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125447
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    Case:
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    Regards,
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