Cash sales Order Related Billing

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Hi
I need clarification on the following. Both in cash sales and regular sales orders , delivery , PGI and then billing is involved. So why we call cash sales process as order related billing. I find that unless goods are posted in cash sales delivery , invoice can not be created like in normal sales order. Request your inputs
Thanks in advance
regards
narasimha

I need clarification on the following. Both in cash sales and regular sales orders , delivery , PGI and then billing is involved. So why we call cash sales process as order related billing. I find that unless goods are posted in cash sales delivery , invoice can not be created like in normal sales order. Request your inputs
Hi narsimha
There is a lot of difference between cash sales order and normal sales order
The differences are
cash sale document type - BV , standard sales order document type - OR
Item category for cash sale is BVN and normal cash sales order it is TAN.
In VOV8, if you go to BV document type details , shipping conditions will be on where as in OR , shipping conditions will not be on .
In cash sale order , automatically a delivery number will be created in the background once you save the cash sale order , whereas in normal sales order , after saving order you need to do delivery and then save it then only delivery number will be generated
In cash sale the billing date will be todays date only where as in normal sale billing date can be after 1 week also , depends on the availability check
In normal sales cycle , you get invoice in billing F2, where as in Cash sale when you create a cash sale order the output you get is the invoice for the customer.
In cash sale there wont be any credit , where as in normal sales order there will be credit for customers .
Example :
cash sale - A customer purchasing goods in a retail outlet and then and there he is paying cash (no credit) to the retailer.
Normal sale - Customer purchasing goods but paying in installments , that means he is a regualar customer and he is getting credit.
Why cash sale is order related billing ?
Because , once you save the cash sale order automatically the delivery number is also created. now when you go to VL02n and enter the picking quantity it has to be fully referenced , of how much you have given in the cash sale order . But if you try to do partial delivery . you cant do again , you need to change the quantity what you have given in the delivery and enter in VA02 and enter the same quantity. then only the order will be closed
check the billing relevance for the item category BVN ( it is order related billing)
normal sales order is delivery realted billing ?
Because the item category for TAN is relavent for delivery and Billing relevence is different from BVN
you can do paritial deliveries in normal sales cycle till complete order quantity is referenced
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Regards
Srinath

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hi,
just to add,
In Customizing for the item category at VOV7, you can determine the basis for billing using the indicator <b>Billing relevance</b>.
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A: Relevant for delivery-related billing documents
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