Change Business Area to Profit Center Accounting
Hi Gurus,
Here we want to elminate business area and migrate to profit center accounting, could anybody highlight what are the important steps for the changes.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Kick
Did you activate Business area?
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Difference between Business area and profit center accounting
Hi Frnds,
Can any body explain about difference between business area and profit center accounting .Hi
Business area will have many profit centers. For example Vehicle is a business area in a company. Vehicle can be cars and Bikes etc. Here Vehicle is business area and Cars and Bike are profit centers. In broad Vehicle is a profit center. But as it has sub areas those are profit centers. So profit centers cannot be replaced with business area and vice versa. We can replace business area by Profit centre, only condition is that it should be in same controlling area. The business area is more like a business unit of a company. You can have multiple profit centers within a business area.
Main distinguish factor is that distribution and assessment in possible in profit center but not in business area.
One more distinction is that Business area need not be attached to any organisation structure. But profit centres can be created only under the controlling area. Business area can be across controlling area.
Business area concept is used for making stragic decisions by the management whereas the primary purpose of profit centre accounting is responsibility accounting.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/ff/277203deea11d3b5b4006094b9b0a5/frameset.htm -
Using Business Area and Profit Center Accounting with New GL functionality
Hello,
We are Public Sector and using ECC 6.0, we have been using Business Area with Fund Management. We also use Special Purpose Ledger with Document splitting. Before migrating to New GL functionality, we want to understand
- The possibility of using both Business Area and Profit Center Accounting, and the impact on the system
- If we activate Profit Center Accounting before migration, how will it work with the splitting process?
- If we migrate without Profit Center Accounting, will this cause the activation of Profit center accounting later to be more complicated, even if we migrate again?
Thanking youHi Sachin,
Thank you for the reply, we want to know that
- The possibility of using both Business Area and Profit Center Accounting, and the impact on the system
If we decide using Profit Center Accounting with Business Area with New GL functionality how we should do it
- should we activate classical Profit Center Accounting before migrating to New GL functionality, if we do this how will it work with the splitting process?
- If we migrate to New GL functionality without Profit Center Accounting, will this cause the activation of Profit center accounting later to be more complicated, even if we migrate again?
Thanking you
Tipu Khan -
WBS, Business Area and Profit Center not flowing in GR/IR Account
Hello Experts,
I have come across a very strange situation. I have two MIGO documents which are showing different posting characteristics:
1) FI Document 5000000553
In this document, the Business area and profit center is flowing in GR/IR Clearing Account (15660000) but WBS element is not flowing to this line item.
Screen shot is as follows:-
As you can see from the above screen shot that, for GR/IR Account 15660000. Only Business Area and Profit Center are flowing and WBS Element is not coming.
2. FI Document 5000015602
In this document, the WBS element is going in GR/IR Clearing Account (15660000) but Business area and profit center is not flowing to this line item
Screen Shot is as follows:-
From the above screen shot, Business Area and Profit Center are not flowing but WBS Element is coming.
Could you please let me know what could be the possible reason for this behavior of both the documents.?
Regards,
AmitHi Saurabh,
Its great to see your reply. Yes, I know that currencies and posting dates are different. But that's the way it is. One document is for fiscal year 2014 and other is for 2013. There is nothing related to currency and posting date which was causing the strange behavior of the system.
However, our team analyzed the issue and found that only for service material having a special valuation type related to services is causing the problem and still we are diagnosing the other possible root cause as well.
Thanks for your co-operation and suggestion.
Regards,
Amit -
Business Area vs Profit Center comparison document
Friends,
I have 8 company codes, 6 comapny codes are running with Business area ....
Now business wants bring those 2 company codes into Business area using.. is there any imapct for running company codes to use Business area ??
I would like to suggest Profit center accounting instead of Business area.... if you have any presentation or documentation on Business area vs Profit center please share me .....
Thanks alot for your help..
what might be necessary in each of the active company codes, to turn on business areas again, since they used to be active and what process, configuration changes necessary for each (BA and PC)
FICOHi,
It is recommended to enable BA to a running company only at the end of the year. The main impacts are in the Fixed Assets and Cost Centers. I have performed this task in the middle of the year and had to upload this key on all Assets, and I had used a report to assign to all cost centers. It may be necessary to create validation rules for the financial Accouting.
Regards -
Business area and profit center
plz can anyone explain me what is the diffrence between business area and profit center.
Business Area is a type of organizational unit structure, primarily used to facilitate external segment reporting across company codes, covering the company's main areas of operation. Business Areas run across company codes. The relationship is n:n. Business Area is part of FI.
Profit Center is also a type of organization unit structure, used for management/ internal controlling purposes. Dividing the company up into profit centers allows one to analyze areas of responsibility and to delegate responsibility to decentralized units, thus treating them as companies within the company. The profit centers also run across company codes. The relationship is n:n. Profit Center Accounting is part of Enterprise Controlling.
While it may look apprantly that both Business Area and Profit Center do the same kind of analysis and reporting, with in SAP internal architecture they are kept in different modules and different tables.
SAP Note 321190 provides the difference betwen Business Area and Profit Center, which you can get from SAP Service Market place.
SAP has maintained Business Area from 4.6B onwards, while there are enhancements happening in Profit Center side. -
Difference between Buness area vs Profit center accounting
Hi
What is the difference between the business area and profit center
1. Insted of Business area why can we use profit center accounting ?
2. diffenrence between the assessment cycle and Distribution ?
ThanksBoth are used for internal treporting purpose.
but profit center have some advantages over business areas.
advs;
. Profit Centers will be used instead of Business Areas to generate Profit & Loss statements and Balance Sheets for each location. Profit Centers has the following advantages over Business Areas;
. It is very flexible in nature and can be created / activated any time as it is Master Data.
. Profit Centers does not need adjustments/activities in the month-end due to Document Splitting functionality.
. Profit Center has its own Ledger/ SAP Tables in the background
. It can be grouped at higher level and one group can have any number of Profit Centers in it
. Assessment and Distribution of Costs between Profit Centers can be done.
chandra -
Vendor Ageing Report Business Area and Profit Center wise
Dear Experts,
I have a requirement where user wants a Report for Vendor Ageing Business Area and Profit Center wise.I checked Standard T Codes but the same were Business Area wise but i could'nt find Profit Center wise Report.If their is any standard functionality then please advice.
We are using SAP ECC 6.0 Classic GL with Spl Purpose Ledger active.Can someone please advice can i derive such a report through Report Painter.If possible please advice in details.
Your Valuable inputs shall be appreciated....
Regards
RahulHi Durga,
Can you please elaborate further on the same how you are determining the Report in FBL1N.What are the prerequisited to be taken care of and some further details on the same.
My Bus Area is not as same as Profit Center eg
BA PC
FXRT RT0001 / 2 / 3
TMMG TM0001/ 2 / 3
LTOB LO0001/ 2 / 3
I checked in my system but we do not have the Program for the following T Codes
S_PCO_36000218 - Segment Receivables
S_PCO_36000219 - Segment Payables
S_AC0_52000887 - Profit Center Receivables
S_AC0_52000888 - Profit Center Payables
Regards
Rahul -
Business Area and Profit Center In Document Splitting
Hi,
We are using Business area and Profit Center characteristics for document splitting.
In one transaction, the Business area and profit centers are defaulted through the cost center.
The document is successfully split in respect of the business area, but the profit center is not filled, thereby giving error while posting.
Please suggest.Hi,
Actually, we have all three scenarios, profit center, segment and business area..
As suggested, we have checked all field status relevant.. profit center is optional in all cases..
Now, Pls consider the scenario without business area in document splitting characteristics..
If I post an expense, profit center is picked thru cost center and segment thru profit ctr. The vendor or bank line item inherits the characteristic values from the previous line item.
Now, in addition we have business areas in doc splitting characteristics.
Business area, again is populated thru cost centers, along with profit ctr and segment.
The business area gets correctly populated in the vendor line item.. but the profit center doesnt.
Please let us know the reason..
Edited by: Swapvik on Mar 23, 2009 4:07 PM -
Business area vs profit center togather
HI, FRIENDS
friends i need to know that can we use business area and profit center to gather at a time.
eg
1). business area at different region in the country.(different branchs)
2) profit center at product line level.( different products)
please help me to understand this.
thank you in advance.
Moderator: Please, avoid asking basic questionsHi,
Business area and PCA both functionality same, on ECC 5 onwards PCA become a part of FI.(New GL)
Business area and PCA both are Reporting tools to view (B.S & P&L)
PCA is more flexible compare with Business area.
Business area not supporting for OKB9 settings.
Note: As per standard we are using only one tool Business area or PCA.
i hope this information helpful to you...!
Rds,
Anil
Edited by: anil kumar on Apr 18, 2011 9:58 AM -
Table name having relationship between Business area and Profit Center
Hi guys,
Can you tell me the table name showing the relationship between Business area and Profit Center in fb60 transaction.
thnx
hemaHI.
BSEE u2013GSBER Business area.
BSID-PRCTR Profit center
Regards.
jay -
Error with Business area and profit center
Hello Guru's,
I have an issue when posting the stock through t-code MB1C and 521 movement type. We have assigned business area and profit centers for plants as below:
For Plant 1000,
Business Area: 1100
Profit center: 1100
And For Plant 2000,
Business Area: 1200
Profit center: 1200
But when I am assigning plant 2000, and assigning business area and profit center as 1200 respectively. System by default is picking as 1100 with a warning message.
Please help this resolving this issue, I want the system to take the correct assigned BA and Profit center.
Regards,
Varun SiddharthHi Varun,
One of the possible ways is, to assign a business area to the cobination of Plant and Division in OMJ7 (Assignment is possible for other combinations as well). Later you can define a substitution rule so that, a profit center is substituted to the combination of Plant and Business Area.
Hope it helps you.
Regards,
Ravi Kumar -
Shiftting from Business area to Profit center
Dear Friend
I have an Issue regarding New GL
At present my client is using Business area mandatory in new GL . we have also created profit center but spilliting is done according Business area.
Now My client want to go for Profit center accounting they want to make Profit center mandatory..
can u advise me if i go for it whats are the Problem i am going to face.
Is it advisable .
and what are the step i have to take care.
Please advise me in details
Thanks in Advance
JainHi Raj,
I tell u one thing business area and profit centers are assign in Cost Centers ok and Segments are assign in Profit centers so based on this the document is automatically splitting ok if u want to change the business areaas optional and PCA with mandatory thru OBC4 ok.i think u can mentain Businee area as a Segment so it is working very effectively now a days all of the companies are follow with out business area becoz if u fallow business area automatic postings are not update directly and also some of the problems inmonth end activies check which is better. -
Change business are in cost center
Hi
How to change business are in the already created cost center ???? Pls advice
ThanxHi
SAP note 62716 covers this process to change BA if data already exists:
I have copied below in case you dont have access to notes:
Symptom
When you attempt to change the company code or the business area in the master record of the cost center, the system displays message KS020 or KS134 because dependent data already exists, or the system displays message KS021 because the change interval is not set to the year limits.
Enhancement: As of Release 4.6C the report RKACOR06 is enhanced so that you can also change the master data from business processes (CO-ABC, Activity Based Costing) correspondingly.
Reason and Prerequisites
For actual postings, the company code is updated in the document. It is therefore not possible to change the company code of the participating account assignment (for example cost center) later on.
The checks for dependent data, however, are carried out on year level. For this reason, it is not possible to change the company code or the business area during the fiscal year.
Solution
Using report RKACOR06, you can also make changes to the company code and the business area in the master record of the cost center during the fiscal year if the following requirements are met:
1. The change interval is set to period limits
2. There is no dependent actual transaction data in the change interval or afterwards.
3. There must already be an analysis period for the respective cost center which starts on the first day of the chosen period. If this is not the case, you can create one with 'Change cost center' - KS02 (for example, by changing the cost center manager).
If the system contains dependent planning data in a plan integrated version, any respective profit centers and extended general ledgers that exist must be restructured. For profit center accounting, you can use Transaction 1KE0 for this purpose.
Caution! If you change the company code of a cost center, a reversal of a posting in a different period can no longer be carried out if the cost center is assigned to another company code in the reversal period.
Report RKACOR06 is contained in the standard system as of Release 3.1I.
For prior releases, you can download the report from the FTP server sapserv3 from the directory /general/R3server/abap/note.0062716.
Report RKACOR06 does not generate any change pointers. Thus, if you want to send the change of cost centers via ALE, use Transaction BD16.
If you cannot change the BA for some other reason, please provide details.
Regards, Elaine -
Problem while changing Business Area in Cost Center Master Data
I am having a problem while changing the Business area in cost center master data, the system does not allow to change the business area due to the following reasons;
1. The transactional data already exists for that cost center
2. The desired date required to be changed, falls between analysis period 01.01.2000 to 31.12.2999
Can anyone help me in order to reslove this issue
Thanking in anticipation
Edited by: Arshad Iqbal on May 24, 2010 2:10 PMDear Dejan !!
Thanks a lot for resolving my problem actaully i have tested the scenario in Testing Server by changing the fiscal year and the system allowed to change the business area before any transactional data posted.
Thanks Once Again
Regards
Ch. Arshad Iqbal
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