Changing profit center - segment assignment in ERP2004

Dear Experts,
A customer of mine uses segments for IFRS reporting. They have been live for about 9 months, so obviously all profit centers already contain transaction data. In beginning of next year the number of segments will increase, but they do not want to create totally new profit centers since they already now have thousands of profit centers, so they would very much prefer to simply change the profit center-> segment assignment.
Changing the segment is commented in OSS note 940721. Given their current version and Support Pack level, segment can be changed in Mass maintenance, as implied in OSS note 940440. This is an error, but customer is very happy about this error.
However, now they have discovered that segment can also be a time-dependent field. This is commented in OSS note 940629, where it is stated that segment should not be changeable therefore, if I understand right, it should not be time-dependant.
Customer's question to me is: Since they at the moment can actually make time-dependant changes to segment, are there any side-effects if they do so? I can appreciate that the answer which I presume to be SAP's official answer "you must create new profit centers instead of making time-dependant changes" is not a desired solution for my customer. I expect customer will have problems if they implement the SP's where segment becomes a totally unchangeable field or if they upgrade to ERP2005 - at the minimum they will lose the possibility to change the segment, but I do not know what will happen to the time-dependant data if the field is changed so that it no longer is time-dependant.
From a document posting point of view, I guess there should not be any side-effects, I expect system will post documents to the segment that is valid on the posting date.
I hope there is someone who has had the same problem, or if there at least is someone who has had to solve the problem of having the need to change the segment assignment - is creating a new profit center really the only safe way to do it?
All answers are appreciated!
BR,
Jarkko

Sergio
Please refer to the link below. This is a help link for ECC 6.0..
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005vp/helpdata/en/5b/d2200743c611d182b30000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
Reporting costs and revenues similar to KB61 is possible in ECC 5.0 also.
Let me know if it helped.Also please do award points if found useful.
Regards,
Karthik

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