Chapter Markers in Nested Sequence

I'm having trouble getting my chapter markers to appear in iDVD. I nested a sequence so that I could apply a WS matte over the whole thing. I created chapter markers in the parent sequence which show up just fine in iDVD. When I try to use the nested sequence in iDVD, my chapter markers do not appear.
The chapter markers are showing up in the timeline for my nested sequence as pink markers underneath each track instead of the green ones which are in the top of the timeline bar of my parent sequence. When I click on them, they have the exact same info as the green ones from the parent sequence, including the <CHAPTER> notation. I know they are supposed to be in the top of the timeline bar, but I can't seem to move them. Like I said, the parent sequence works just fine in iDVD.
Any thoughts as to what I am doing wrong?

Nevermind... I figured it out...
I needed to create new chapter markers in my nested sequence. I just used the pink ones under the tracks as a guide for where to put them.

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Compression Markers in nested sequence.

My main sequence contains 14 nested sequences (chapters and credits).
Audio is on the main sequence only (not in the nested sequences).
When I opened the first nested sequence and added Compression Markers, the markers appeared green above the video track. They are not visible on the main sequence.
After adding markers to the remaining seqences, they too, appear green above their respective video tracks, but they also appear pink at the bottom of each nested sequence on the main sequence timeline.
Can anyone tell me why this is - and whether I've made a mistake. I can soon re-do the markers in the first sequence but I'm not keen on re-doing the rest!
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Thanks both of you.
Because of the time difference, I'd already finished adding the chapter markers by the time I got your replies.
Presumably, I should have added them to the main sequence instead of the nested ones. Would this work?
Anyway, for now I'm sending each sequence in its own right to Compressor - rather than as a full movie. The markers show up in the preview window. (They don't show if I export the nested sequence - why didn't I check this?)
My intention is to assemble these as a track on DVDSP to make my movie.
If this doesn't work, I'll have to move the playhead to each marker, then do the Add Edit job. Time consuming but better than starting from scratch.
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Losing chapter markers when moving sequence into main timeline

My second problem may be solved by solving or understanding my main problem.
Here's the situation:
When I build sequences in FCP and put in chapter markers (I know how to successfully do that when I am working only on a single sequence, so I think the basics are clear) and then drag this sequence into my main timeline I lose the chapter markers and then have to go back through and set them up again (yes they are marked by red markers along the bottom of the timeline). It seems like a nuisance that this is the way the system is set up. Am I missing something or are chapter markers really not moveable from sequence to sequence?
And this brings me to the second problem:
I export as QT into iDVD and when "Scenes" are set up there seems to be no rhyme or reason as how to navigate the chapters (this is after burning the to DVD and popping it in the DVD player). Example: I press the right button and the cursor moves down. Any ideas on what is going wrong?

Yes, I understand the distinction about where to put the chapters markers.
I do put them on the timeline in a sequence. And there they are marked. I can open them and see that they are marked as <CHAPTER>. If I then export this sequence sure enough iDVD sets up scenes to select from.
My problem is when I build start putting sequences next to each other in my main timeline/squence. I hope that's clear. It would look something like this:
Sequence 1: Sequence 2: Sequence 3 etc.
In this case I would lose the chapter markers from seq 2 and 3. Then I have to go in and reset new chapter markers in seq 2 & 3. Of course I can do that and I have, but I was just wondering if there was a way to make them carry forward so I don't have to duplicate work.
Will post my iDVD question to that discussion forum.

FCP Chapter Markers/Compressor

I have all my chapter markers in my sequence in FCP all set and I want to export with compressor so I can use the two files and load them into DVDSP.
If I export with compressor, will it automatically recognize my chapter markers when I bring them in for a chapter index in DVDSP?
I know you can do this with Quicktime movie export, but I honestly prefer Compressor so I was wondering if it will automatically do this itself within the program.

Hi Jonesi, I would highly recommend that:
• you *DONT "send to compressor" from FCP timeline or 'EXPORT to COMPRESSOR*" from FCP timeline because it is simply too slow. Instead create a EXPORT AS QUICKTIME MOVIE with (a QT reference MOVIE (dont tick "self contained qt time movie" in the QT dialogue box". . The use the refernce movie as INPUT to compressor.app. Try it it works great! MAke a compressor DROPLET for fully automated work flow.
• _Chapter markers should be made on the TIMELINE that is used for the final EXPORT_. +Beware not to use CHAPTER markers in nested sequences.+
hth
w

Questions regarding chapter markers

I've got a few questions regarding working with chapter markers. First a little background info. I'm working in CS 5.5. I used Dynamic Link to send a Premiere sequence to Encore. In Premiere, I've got another sequence that is an exact duplicate of the original, with just a little text added.
I decided that I need to go back and add chapter markers, so I went through the initial Premiere sequence and added all the Encore Chapter Markers. I'd like all the chapter markers to be consistent in all three locations without having to re-do it manually each time.
Is there any way to bring those markers into Encore withour re-importing the sequence? I kind of figured that was the point of using Dynamic Link, but the markers aren't showing up in Encore.
And then, is there a way to copy those markers within Premiere from one sequence to the other?
Thanks in advance for any help.

(Dear mods: a little overzealous with the thread moving. This had enough to do with Premiere Pro that it could have remained there... and saved me from retyping my reply.)
Is there any way to bring those markers into Encore withour re-importing the sequence?
This part is Encore. In the Encore Timeline containing the PPro sequence you're using with DL, select the sequence/asset, and go to Edit > Update Markers From Source. A warning dialog will pop up about replacing the markers; when you OK it, the markers positions and names will be updated.
And then, is there a way to copy those markers within Premiere from one sequence to the other?
It's not possible to copy and paste markers, but here's a workaround of sorts (assuming your sequences are the same duration and you want the markers at the same times):
Drag the sequence that contains the chapter markers into the sequence that doesn't; because the Encore chapter markers are sequence markers, they'll turn into clip markers when you nest the sequence. Select this nested sequence, and then use the Next (or Previous) Clip Marker (found under Marker > Go to Clip Marker, or with keyboard shortcuts) to jump to each clip marker. When you land on one, add a chapter marker to the sequence; if you don't already, set up a keyboard shortcut for this and it will make adding the markers a breeze. Now, you'll have to add names, if you want them, but at least this will make matching the time much easier.

Encore chapter markers which move with clip

Problem: Encore chapter markers which move with clip
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I have 9 sequences with each containing 4 Encore chapter markers. As expected in the real world, the end users continually want edits to the sequences. If I razor out a piece of a clip in the sequence, the Encore chapter markers stay fixed to the time ruler and do not move with the clip. As a result, one has to manually move each Encore chapter marker to re-align with the proper location on a clip. This is time consuming and makes no sense. Is there anyway for the Encore chapter markers to act like clip markers so they move with edits?
If not, does someone have a plugin which would look at the Encore chapter markers in a sequence and place corresponding clip markers on Video 1. After editing, the plugin could re-align the Encore chapter markers with their respective clip markers.

What is needed are Encore Chapter Clip Markers so Encore markers follow the clip. Just as you would move the current-time indicator to the frame where you want an Encore chapter point and then right click (Windows) in the time ruler and choose the type of marker, a new context menu item "Encore Chapter Clip Marker" would be available which would place an Encore chapter marker on the clip in the currently selected video track. With this, one could edit the sequence and know the Encore chapter point is still at the same frame of the clip.
I encourage others to either copy this feature description or their own version and submit it to the Feature Request Page for Premiere.
Feature Request Page
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
One should submit this Feature to both Premiere and Encore since both are effected. By the way, Encore has a Feature Request user form you may also want to submit this to. Premiere does not appear to have a Feature Request user form so I used the Feature Request Page mentioned above.

Removing unwanted chapter markers from m2v files

I inadvertantly left some unwanted chapter markers in FC sequences which I then exported as m2v files. Is there any way to remove the chapter markers from the m2v files so I don't have to re-render to m2v? I have lots of files!

The original files were edited in FCP, then edited in Motion to add graphic overlays. From there, they were rendered as m2v using Compressor.
The chapter markers are all visible in both FCP and Motion, but both of those options require re-rendering from the source file type back to m2v. This is a time consuming step that I'm hoping to avoid by, somehow, removing the chapter markers from the m2v file itself.
I just need to know if there is any way to remove a chapter marker from an m2v file.

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jac
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put an in point at marker 1 and out point in marker 2 in the FCp sequence, and see how long the duration is... repeat for 2 to 3 etc...
Jerry

Sequence within sequence... do chapter markers come with it at QT?

Hi,
I've had a look around, can't see this and have searched. When I drop a sequence into a sequence, do the chapter markers come with it so when I QT them and send to IDVD, the sequence chapters will be there or on the new timeline with the completed sequences, should I (again) add markers?
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Never used that feature, wouldn't have known it would keep the timeline markers, but a good solution.
Only caveat is that it doesn't show the markers in the nest itself. (if one wanted to have the visual reference.)
I've never been really hip on using nests, preferring to dupe seqs, with incremental naming...personal preference.
K
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Can chapter markers be attached to clips?

I have an hour-long project that I've put plenty of chapter markers into, but now I see how I could improve it by adding a bit more video footage to a certain place early on in the timeline.
Of course, adding more video to the timeline is going to push all subsequent clips downstream, and all those downstream chapter markers are going to end up out of place.
Isn't there some way to lock chapter markers to clips so that the markers will stay with the clips, and move along with them?
Tom

Sorry Tom ... I think I may have misrepresented the solution I was offering. "Nesting" will not actually move the sequences chapter markers into the clip itself, but rather the idea is to use the sequence (with contained chapter markers) as a virtual clip item. Unfortunately I didn't test my supposed solution before suggesting it and, just as you discovered, it won't work quite as simply as I described ... but it will work tho if you're willing to wrangle things a little.
Create a new sequence and open it in the timeline. You'll want to double check the new sequence's settings and make sure they match the original sequence, if not then now would be a good time to change them accordingly. Next, from the Browser window, drag and drop your original sequence down into the new empty sequence in your timeline. What you should get is a single "clip" representation of your original sequence ... and hopefully you will clearly be able to see those chapter markers as attached to this virtual clip (nested sequence).
Give it a try and let me know if it works for you
Cheers
Andy

Working with Nested Sequences

I'm working with a 1 hour, 20 minute multi-cam (2 cameras) Sequence of a concert, with many edits. One of the music pieces was complicated, so I separated it out into a separate Sequence, and did the editing. Later, my occasional fcp tutor created a new nested Sequence, into which he transferred the separated piece. The nested Sequence is exactly the same length as the original Sequence.
Since the two cameras required different kinds of Color Correction, we did this in the nested Sequence. Then we exported the nested Sequence as a self-contained QT file. O.K. so far.
But then later, after my tutor has gone, I realize that I don't understand nested Sequences. When I double click on the nested Sequence in the timeline, I'm taken back to the whole concert Sequence in the timeline, out of which the nested Sequence was created. So, Question #1: I can't adjust the audio in a nested Sequence? Question #2: Now, I realize I need chapter markers and I create them in the original whole Sequence, but too bad, they don't appear in the nested Sequence (which has the color correction that I want). How can I transfer my newly created chapter markers in the nested Sequence so that I can now re-export it with the chapter markers?
Thanks, Robert

1. Duplicate the 'whole' sequence (The one with the chapter markers)
Give the duplicate an obvious name. Like "FinaL WITH CHAPTER MARKERS".
2. Delete all clips in this duplicate sequence. (Command-A, then Backspace)
The chapter markers will remain. Don't alter the original sequence in any way!
3. Go to the nested sequence. Copy Everything (Command A, then Command C)
4. Go to the (now empty) Duplicate sequence. Paste (Command V)
Rienk

Rendering a nested sequence...

Hi,
I have searched about 20 previous render issues but nothing with my lameness... I have a whole load of short sequences with chapter markers, may I nest them into one sequence, render, then split them and convert to QT or will I have to render them again as I have taken them out of their rendered location... I'm just looking for the most efficient time scale/workflow?
Thank you (for your patience as I may be missing the point of what rendering is here).

Thank you (for your patience as I may be missing the point of what rendering is here).< </div>
Missing the point of rendering cannot easily be cleared up, gotta send you to the manual for careful study.
If you do not to render any sequence more than once, you must export it and then reimport the rendered movie as new media. Now your sequence is just another clip.
This is just one way to work with nests. It is supremely efficient but you must plan your production to use this method. If you make any changes to your upstream nest, you must re-render, re-export, re-import, and replace the previous clip with the new one. Most newbies don't understand that; they expect changes in the upstream to automatically cascade down through their sequences.
You can do that, that's why they're called nests, but nothing gets rendered until you do as Tom suggests, render it deliberately. Then, if you make any upstream changes, the changes are reflected in all of your other uses of the nest but they shall all become unrendered.
bogiesan

Exporting chapter markers

Is it possible to export chapter markers from a premiere pro sequence so that they are embedded within quicktime h264 file like it is with compressor?

Since you have 12 sequences, you now have to create another sequence and drag your 12 sequences into that one. Then you have to move the playhead to the start of each nested sequence, press m twice, set a chapter name and click on the Chapter button. Then you have to Export/Quicktime Movie and select Markers: Chapter Markers in the export dialog.
Piero

Exporting: losing chapter markers

I have a video with 6 sequences. #2-5 are the 5 sections of my video. Sequence #1 contains the other 5 in order, to give me a "full video" sequence.
When I export a single sequence, the chapter markers remain intact. But when I export Sequence #1 (which contains all 5), all chapter markers are lost.
(Exporting through Compressor to DVD Studio Pro.)
How can I export my full video without losing the chapter markers?
Thanks for any help!
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You're correct, the green chapter markers are in each individual sequence. What threw me off though, is that even in the "master" sequence (containing the nested ones), I could right-click on the timeline and all the chapter markers were available to jump to. I don't understand why they don't export.
I did export the sequences separately. In DVDSP, creating a separate track for each one preserves the chapter markers. But if I combine them on a single track as you suggested, only the first clip/sequence has its chapter markers -- none of the others come in with the clips.
So, I now have five separate tracks, and had to recreate all the stories I'd already done, as well as re-link all my menus. What a huge amount of unnecessary work.
The FCP manual talks about nested sequences and suggests using them to combine into one master sequence. It sure doesn't mention that you lose all your chapter markers.
Is there a better way to get FCP sequences into DVDSP (with chapter markers) than creating separate tracks, as I had to? This seems like a really fragmented workflow.
Thank you very much for your insight, and for your time!
Mac OS X (10.4.8)

The difference between chapter markers and dvd studio pro markers

Does anyone know what is the difference between chapter markers and dvd studio pro markers? I can not find anywhere on Google. Also in the tutorials I have seen, suggesting DVD Studio Pro markers, but it did not mention the chapter markers.
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"Adding Chapter and Compression Markers to Your Sequence
Once you have your edited sequence or program finished, you can add markers to the sequence for use on DVD. Markers are reference points you can place within clips or sequences that identify specific frames. There are two kinds of markers you can add that directly relate to authoring a DVD—chapter markers and compression markers.
• Chapter markers allow DVD authoring applications to create a navigable chapter list for your exported QuickTime movie. Chapter markers force MPEG keyframes (known as I-frames) at their location, since the DVD specification requires an I-frame at each chapter point.
• Compression markers identify areas of abrupt change and include two types: those that are automatically inserted by Final Cut Pro at all edit points, and those you manually place in the clip or sequence. Like chapter markers, compression markers force I-frames at their location, although in this case it is for better quality encoding, and they are not used to create a chapter list.
Note: When you export a QuickTime movie, you have an option to export various kinds of markers, including compression, chapter, or DVD Studio Pro markers. *When you choose to export DVD Studio Pro markers, Final Cut Pro actually exports chapter markers and all compression markers.* This includes compression markers you set manually, as well as ones created automatically by Final Cut Pro at edit and transition points."
From the Final Cut Pro User Manual.
So, JS was right the first time

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