Cinema Tools 2.2

I have Cinema Tools v2.2 and was wondering if a newer version had been released? a.k.a - is there a v2.3 or would v3.0 be the next version to go to?
TC

Cinema Tools 3.0.2 is the latest release... comes with FCP 5 or the new Studio...
Jerry

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  • Cinema Tools doesn't recognize pulldown cadence on 24p DVCPRO 50

    Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone can give me a couple suggestions on this...
    I've been capturing 24p material for a documentary from different sources and with different pulldown cadences: DV @ 24p and 24p Advanced, and DVCPRO 50 @ 24p.
    The extra frames from the two DV types get removed properly, but not from the DVCPRO 50. I take a clip into Cinema Tools and hit 'Rev Telecine..' (Automated so no options to choose from) and it gives me a 23.98 clip with the what should be the C frame interlaced. (A B C/D D)
    It looks like CT is removing 2:3:3:2 'advanced' pulldown and not the normal 2:3:2:3, like it's reading the metadata in the clip wrong. Does anyone know a way to manually set the type of pulldown--either in Cinema Tools or within the metadata of the clip itself?
    Thanks in advance,
    Will
    Dual 2.7 GHz G5, 4.5 GB RAM   Mac OS X (10.4.2)   FCP 5.03, Cinema Tools 3.03

    I didn't know therre was an Automated way either until working on this project, and maybe it's a new setting in Cinema Tools 3. The manual says that CT will recognize the pulldown on the clip automatically when it was shot in a 24p video camera, that this information gets embedded in the clip. The dialog box it gives you for the automatic reverse telecine has no options at all, and all my clips started on an A frame for the possibility of doing all as a batch.
    I may have found what happened, (although not how to fix it). My capture setting had Remove Advanced Pulldown checked, and the tapes were recorded with regular pulldown. In my experience with DV footage this has never mattered, it would remove it if it could and if not leave the clip alone.
    It looks like there's a bug somewhere in the DVCPRO 50 capture process--that the clip is has the 24p Advanced markers embedded even though it is regular 24p, and so Cinema Tools treats it improperly and removes the wrong frames:
    24p Advanced (2:3:3:2) A B B/C C D 29.97 Footage
    24p (2:3:2:3) A B C/B C/D D
    I I 0 I I (CT removing 2:3:3:2 Pulldown)
    24p Advanced A B C D
    24p *my result* A B C/D D 23.98 Footage
    Has anyone else encountered this bug? Any work arounds known?
    Thanks,
    Will

  • Problems with pulldown In Cinema Tools

    I am attempting a pulldown on some footage shot at 24pA on the Sony V1U (which I was told on this forum was not real 24p and therefore did not require a pulldown but found out from Sony that it is) and captured at 29.97. Looking at the Quicktime file before the pulldown, every 3 frames are clear followed by 2 blurry ones (which I understand to be blurry due to being interlaced.) After the pulldown in Cinema Tools, 1 frame is clear and 3 are blurry. This gives the footage a "stuttered" or "jittery" look when viewed on an NTSC monitor. If I am editing this video with 29.97 video and my final export is NTSC, what is the best gameplan for dealing with the pulldown issue? To pulldown or not to pulldown? That is the question.

    If you're not getting a clean pulldown removal, I wouldn't bother. The only reason to edit at 24 in standard def is if you're trying to author a 24fps DVD (which allows you to get better quality at a lower bitrate).
    I don't have any experience with removing pulldown from material shot with this camera. I have removed pulldown from a film to tape transfer. I simply kept trying the different options available in cinema tools til I got a clean 24fps (actually 23.986) quicktime.
    Message was edited by: Michael Grenadier

  • Cinema Tools Memory Error

    Hello Final Cut Gurus!
    Okay, so I am using Cinema Tools 3 to reverse telecine a bunch of clips. I am encountering a random error. "There is not enough memory to perform this operation." This error is coming up after the reverse has been running for awhile (say, once the progress bar reaches the middle point).
    I have read several posts in regards to situations with file size, and Apple recommends files under 9GB. I only have one clip that is over 9GB, and I get a different error, "This is file is too large for reverse telecine." Okay, understandable. However, what is up with the other error? I can reverse a clip that is 4GB and then a second later I can't reverse 1GB clip because of a "memory" error.
    I am doing this on the company's older, revamped G4; 1GHz Processor and 1.75GB RAM. Shouldn't this be enough memory? Would I be better off taking the footage home to my Dual 1GHz G4 with 512MB? Has anyone ever encountered this?
    Thanks In Advance!
    -The Boards Problem Child-
    (AKA Athen)

    I'm running into the same problem... my clip is 3.6 GB, running Cinema Tools 3.0.3, on a 1.8 Ghz G5 with 2.5 GB of RAM. I don't even understand how there can be a "not enough memory" error - can't it just use virtual memory?
    Has anybody come up with a solution for this?
    -Gabriel

  • Removing pulldown... cinema tools vs compressor vs ???

    I have some footage shot at 24p on my canon hf 10. I need to remove pulldown. I saw this artice here
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2410?viewlocale=en_US):
    now, which is a better method, to remove the pulldown, cinema tools or compressor, or even, another third party app does it better? Compressor and Cinema tools are 2 different programs, so they must have 2 different ways of doing things, and or results.
    with compressor I have created a setting and a droplet on my desktop.
    but I am interested in what the article says
    *This method requires that you determine the cadence pattern for each clip.*
    *In Final Cut Pro, choose the Easy Setup named "Apple Intermediate Codec, 29.97, HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60".*
    *Capture your clips.*
    *Open each clip in Cinema Tools and manually reverse telecine each clip.*
    how do I determine the Candence for EACH CLIP? also, if I shoot at 30p, do I also need to remove pulldown, or is this just for 24p?

    piff aroni wrote:
    I have some footage shot at 24p on my canon hf 10. I need to remove pulldown. I saw this artice here
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2410?viewlocale=en_US
    Zak Ray wrote:
    Not sure why the article is recommending using AIC-- as I see it, your options are 1) capture native HDV and transcode to ProRes + reverse telecine in Compressor, or 2) capture ProRes and reverse telecine in Cinema Tools.
    The best way to figure it out is probably to just run a test.
    Am in a very similar situation to Piff, and as Zak suggests am about to do some tests.
    Meantime though, would be interested to hear from anyone with experience in this particular area, especially since the Knowledge Base article quoted above is a bit confusing on two fronts:
    1) It refers to the Canon HV20, which shoots HDV, whereas the camera referenced by the original poster, the Canon HF10 -- assuming it's the same Canon HF10 I've been using -- shoots AVCHD files on SDHC cards (and/or its internal memory);
    2) As Zak points out, it's surprising that there's no mention of ProRes, just AIC. The article says it was last modified July, 2008 -- was that pre-ProRes?
    In any case, I'll try to post my results as soon as I can run my own Compressor vs. Cinema Tools tests -- but in the meantime would appreciate hearing any insights from those who've already been down that road, especially in regards to best practices for removing the pulldown added by the Canon HF10 when shooting "24p" (which as a colleague recently pointed out, should actually be called "24f", as in "24fake" -- since it's really just 29.97 interlaced in disguise).
    Thanks,
    John Bertram
    Toronto

  • Video Rate Changes from Cinema Tools to Final Cut

    I have a problem that exists on serveral levels. Hopefully I can explain:
    1. I directed a concert shoot with eight cameras. All cameras were Panasonic DVX100A configured for 24p Advanced except one, which was a Panasonic SDX900 configured for 24p (which I later discovered was laid down with a 3:2 pulldown instead of a 2:3:3:2 advanced pulldown like the DVX100A cameras).
    2. It was planned from the beginning to use the multiclip feature in FCP to edit the footage.
    3. The tapes from each camera were captured from beginning to end—about an hour each tape, four tapes per camera—at full resolution, the pulldown was removed, and the clips were then recompressed to Photo JPEG EXCEPT the tapes from the SDX900.
    4. When I finally figured out that the footage from the SDX900 used a 3:2 pulldown, I opened the captured clips in Cinema Tools and attempted to remove the pulldown. The problem I ran into there was that CT can't handle files larger than 9 GB. Each captured clip (four of them—one for each tape) ranged between 10 and 13 GB.
    5. My solution to this was to open each clip in QuickTime Pro and split the clip in half, open each half in CT and remove the pulldown on the smaller files, then open the smaller halves in QT again and join them back together into a single clip.
    6. When I open the new master clips in Cinema Tools and analyze them, the video/frame rate is 23.98 as expected. BUT, when I import the clips into Final Cut Pro, the video/frame rate is 29.97 and I can't understand why. If I try to do a pulldown removal (again) from FCP, it doesn't work—I get an error that it can't find a clip with a pulldown to remove (duh!).
    Is this a bug, and is there any way to fix this and make it work? I need to make all of the assets available for my class at school.

    I have a problem that exists on serveral levels. Hopefully I can explain:
    1. I directed a concert shoot with eight cameras. All cameras were Panasonic DVX100A configured for 24p Advanced except one, which was a Panasonic SDX900 configured for 24p (which I later discovered was laid down with a 3:2 pulldown instead of a 2:3:3:2 advanced pulldown like the DVX100A cameras).
    2. It was planned from the beginning to use the multiclip feature in FCP to edit the footage.
    3. The tapes from each camera were captured from beginning to end—about an hour each tape, four tapes per camera—at full resolution, the pulldown was removed, and the clips were then recompressed to Photo JPEG EXCEPT the tapes from the SDX900.
    4. When I finally figured out that the footage from the SDX900 used a 3:2 pulldown, I opened the captured clips in Cinema Tools and attempted to remove the pulldown. The problem I ran into there was that CT can't handle files larger than 9 GB. Each captured clip (four of them—one for each tape) ranged between 10 and 13 GB.
    5. My solution to this was to open each clip in QuickTime Pro and split the clip in half, open each half in CT and remove the pulldown on the smaller files, then open the smaller halves in QT again and join them back together into a single clip.
    6. When I open the new master clips in Cinema Tools and analyze them, the video/frame rate is 23.98 as expected. BUT, when I import the clips into Final Cut Pro, the video/frame rate is 29.97 and I can't understand why. If I try to do a pulldown removal (again) from FCP, it doesn't work—I get an error that it can't find a clip with a pulldown to remove (duh!).
    Is this a bug, and is there any way to fix this and make it work? I need to make all of the assets available for my class at school.

  • Get message "Choose Cinema Tools application"

    I tried for the first time to use cinema tools in my Final Cut Pro 7.0.3, but i dident find the application. My application folder in finder its totaly empty. I see some cinematools.fcpres files with NTSC and PAL in the Final Cut folder but its not some install files. Can i in somehow download just cinemma tools and get it in to my Final Cut program or how should il do? I have a work in progress and i need this application to get it done. So when i mark an clip an choose open in cinema tools i get the message "Choose cinema tools application".
    Please help me!
    Thanks / Gabriel

    But i havent the dvd, my question is if i can download Cinema Tools from apples homesite and put it in the folder application? Or if i download cinema tools where should i put it?
    I dont knnow why it dident start when i installed it from the begning

  • I have recently downloaded final cut pro and i'm unable to access cinema tools. I understood this would be a free addition when purchasing FCPX?

    i have recently downloaded final cut pro and i'm unable to access cinema tools. I understood this would be a free addition when purchasing FCPX?

    Thanks for responding Tom. Yes I was trying to conform frame rates, I found a few threads/youtube tutorials that all used cinema tools. Now I've spent some time in FCPX I can see where you can conform.
    Appreciate your help.

  • 29.97 EDl to 24 in Cinema tools :::  inaccurate data result

    Hello. I've been looking at some forums but haven't been able to find anybody with the same situation. I'm converting my EDL file from 30fps to 24fps on Cinema Tools. I opened the file to revise if the timecodes were indeed correct. Some of my "in" and "out" timecodes end in 00:00:00:29 or 00:00:00:28 and that shouldn't be since i'm supposedly converting everything to 24fps so everything should end in that range of frames (01 through 24 ), right?
    Anything that might come to mind or relate to this problem?
    i have a FCP 7
    Best regards

    Well then, that is your problem. Those aren't reverse telecin-able. What are reversable are DV tapes that you captured at 29.97...in the DV/NTSC codec.
    Are you working with Digital Intermediates? Or footage telecined to tape?
    Typical Telecine to Tape workflow is:
    Telecine to DVCAM
    Lab provides DVCAM and Flex file to you.
    Open Cinema Tools. Import Flex file and export batch Capture list.
    Import batch capture list into FCP.
    Batch Capture the DV footage.
    Reverse telecine the footage with Cinema Tools.
    Edit.
    What exactly are you doing? Where did these files come from? What is your workflow?
    Shane

  • Reverse Telecine in Cinema Tools

    My 24p fcp project is finished and I need to reverse telecine it to get rid of the ugly interlacing. How do I do this?
    I've tried importing the movie into Cinema Tools and it keeps crashing. When I import the whole thing as a single clip (QT Movie), the Reverse Telecine button isn't available.
    Also, why can't I import an mpeg-2 clip?
    I'm using Cinema Tools 2.2, in case this has something to do with it.
    Thanks in advance.

    Oh, and Mr. Gilman was saying that there will be interlacing no matter what if it's on DVD or Beta? Why is this?
    It's what I was trying to tell you when I said If tape, you need the pulldown anyway. If DVD, the pulldown would be added by the player.
    You have to understand where the interlacing is coming from. It is coming from the pulldown inserted to bring the fps from 24 to 30...
    Google reveals these Pulldown explanation pages:
    http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/#24pRecording
    http://home.aol.com/ajaynejr/pulldown.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p
    http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html
    http://www.denecke.com/24pinfo.htm
    here's a visual representation of 24P with pulldown added to be recorded on a 29.97 tape (this is how all feature films are broadcast on NTSC)
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    Now. I believe your problem may stem from an incorrect field order, but first I want to ask - When you created your export of your movie that you fed into DVDSP to make your DVD, did you try importing it into FCP and playing it back on your TV. Did it look okay then?
    Patrick

  • Reverse Telecine Question (Cinema Tools)

    Dear board members,
    I have footage that was shot with Panasonic AG-HVX200 in 1080i60 (29.97fps), but with 24p function with a 2:3 pulldown. When I ingest it in FCP through Log and Transfer this footage (for some peculiar reason) shows up as 1080p30. I also need to remove pulldown to make it 24 (23,98) FPS.
    My workaround is as follows:
    1) I export these files from FCP as DVCPRO HD 1080i60 QT files.
    2) then I send these new "masters" to Cinema Tools, where I do Reverse Telecine process.
    The results looks fine, but I just want to double-check my settings in Cinema Tools, because the batch for this job contains thousands of clips and there is no room for mistake.
    Reverse Telecine in Cinema Tools settings:
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    Fields:
    AA
    File:
    New (smaller)
    Frames:
    Conform to: 23.98 FPS
    Standard Upper/Lower: Checked
    Thank you very much for your time and (hopefully) helpful comments.
    Regards,
    Tim

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  • Film list in Cinema Tools from 25 telecine, edited in a DV PAL-24 sequence

    Hello professionals out there in the binary world,
    I am looking for 24/25/24 answer to my problem and going thru all the questions like mine with no answer is just depressing !!!
    Here is the problem:
    We are editing on Final Cut Pro 4 with Cinematools 2.1
    16mm shot at 24 FPS with a TC at 25fps to edit at 24fps in FCP 4
    Sound recorded at 24FPS (Cantar)imported thru sebskytools...
    We edited in a sequence DV PAL-24
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    Sound SEEMS ok as I need everything at 24FPS (quicktime movie, omf and edl)
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    SECOND PROBLEM:
    I also need to tape the movie on beta for that negative cutter and it should be at 25FPS, like the TC otherwise the time won't correspond...HOW ??? Is it possible ?
    Thanks for any information you could give me to clear it up a little bet !
    All that 24/25 is a little cloudy in my mind, I would be thrilled if someone could blow those clouds away !
    Marie
    Final Cut Pro 4 / Cinema Tools 2.1   Mac OS X (10.3.1)  

    Hi Marie
    Cloudy.....its a pea souper. Below is a cut and paste of some of the answers I have given in other threads. Also, I would get FCP5 studio as it is much better at all this.
    Hi
    This is the one area where avid beats FCP. 24fps Pal. I have now used FCP on a couple of PAL features and it is a bit of a pain. I also have the Apple pro support but most of this is all new to them.
    Lets start with picture. As you know, you can either make tape/dvds that are the correct running length of the film and include a repeat frame or you can make them playing 4% fast with a pitch change but smooth pictures (1 frame film = 1 frame video). Most of the time, ie. when you are editing you will use the first method and live with the repeat frame. However, for VFX work and the NEG CUT or DI you will need to make 25 frame playouts.
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    I think you may have imported the audio which I haven't done in FCP yet. I will try BWAV import one day as they work well on the avid but have been told they don't work well on FCP. If they are working well for you then the omf route should be great. Let me know how you get on with audio.
    I have managed to get through PAL features shot at 24 with FCP, but it sure is more work than on an avid, mostly for the assistant editors. However, I like cutting on FCP.
    Best

  • Where is Cinema Tools' functionality?

    Hi There,
    I use Cinema Tools (a very old version) to routinely conform 23.976fps video to 24fps video. It won't run under Lion anymore, so I need a new solution. Now that Cinema Tools appears to be gone in FCPX, is there a function in FCPX that will conform video in the same way without re-rendering? Re-rendering can not happen. I'm looking for a direct feature port between Cinema Tools' "conform" command and the latest FC product.
    Thanks for your help if you happen to know.

    Normally you alter the speed of a clip to create a specific effect such as slo-mo or fast-mo.
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    You put the 30fps clips in the timeline and select Conform Speed.
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  • Cinema tools v3.1 and avchd

    i've got 1920x1080 clips transcoded to apple intermediate codec from an
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    the hf10 says it shoots 24p standard, not advanced. the version of cinema
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    Never did resolve this. Gremlins, I guess.

  • Compressor, Qmaster,  & Cinema tools will not launch

    Compressor is grayed out as an option for export from STP even though I set prefs etc. Neither Compressor, Qmaster, nor Cinema tool will launch from apps.
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    Libby
    Check this Apple document about Compressor Basic Troubleshooting:
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