Cinema Tools crashing
When I try to create cut lists from FCP, Cinema Tools crashes. Two users posted a similar problem last year, which was never resolved.
FCP 5.1.4
CT 3.1
Any advice?
Unless there is something corrupt in your install of FCP and CT, I would suspect there is a clip or two in your timeline that CT does not like. Do you have any nested items, or unorthodox effects (or maybe even a speed effect) applied to clips? Try a test with a single item in a timeline and see if the crashing persists. If this works successfully, then you need to work through your timeline and find the offending clip(s) that are causing the problems. Good luck!
-Matt
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Cinema Tools crashes on new Macbook
I purchased a new Macbook and migrated all the content from the previous. Currently running 10.8.2. Cinema Tools 4.0.1 crashes at start (unexpectedly quit) every time. Checked disk utilities, no permissions issues.
Process:
Cinema Tools [1750]
Path:
/Applications/Cinema Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Cinema Tools
Identifier:
com.apple.CinemaTools
Version:
4.0.1 (4.0.1)
Build Info:
CinemaToolsApp-710301148~9
Code Type:
X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [193]
User ID:
502
Date/Time:
2012-11-30 14:50:50.641 -0500
OS Version:
Mac OS X 10.8.2 (12C60)
Report Version: 10
Interval Since Last Report:
2026438 sec
Crashes Since Last Report:
17
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 12
Anonymous UUID:
AB867513-8385-0D76-72FD-CC256B8F7AB5
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000084
VM Regions Near 0x84:
--> __PAGEZERO
0000000000000000-0000000000001000 [
4K] ---/--- SM=NUL /Applications/Cinema Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Cinema Tools
__TEXT
0000000000001000-0000000000148000 [ 1308K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Applications/Cinema Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Cinema Tools
Application Specific Information:
objc_msgSend() selector name: retain
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ProKit.framework/Versions/A/ProKit
Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libobjc.A.dylib
0x95e01a87 objc_msgSend + 23
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x940ba65e CFRetain + 158
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x941e1823 +[__NSArrayI __new:::] + 179
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x94101745 -[__NSPlaceholderArray initWithObjects:count:] + 309
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x940f417c CFArrayCreate + 204
5 com.apple.CinemaTools
0x00008fcf 0x1000 + 32719
6 com.apple.prokit
0x003b2e79 _DoProSplashWithPath + 153
7 com.apple.prokit
0x003b2f4d DoProSplash + 141
8 com.apple.prokit
0x0021dc62 _EarlySplash + 18
9 dyld
0x8fe93cda ImageLoaderMachO::doModInitFunctions(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 230
10 dyld
0x8fe93fde ImageLoaderMachO::doInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 64
11 dyld
0x8fe90268 ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 356
12 dyld
0x8fe901cc ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 200
13 dyld
0x8fe900ba ImageLoader::runInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 62
14 dyld
0x8fe81e05 dyld::initializeMainExecutable() + 211
15 dyld
0x8fe85adb dyld::_main(macho_header const*, unsigned long, int, char const**, char const**, char const**, unsigned long*) + 3050
16 dyld
0x8fe81376 dyldbootstrap::start(macho_header const*, int, char const**, long, macho_header const*, unsigned long*) + 704
17 dyld
0x8fe81077 _dyld_start + 71
Thread 1:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib
0x96f190ee __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib
0x9338504c _pthread_workq_return + 45
2 libsystem_c.dylib
0x93384e19 _pthread_wqthread + 448
3 libsystem_c.dylib
0x9336ccca start_wqthread + 30
Thread 2:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib
0x96f199ae kevent + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib
0x98d19c71 _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 993
2 libdispatch.dylib
0x98d197a9 _dispatch_mgr_thread + 53
Thread 3:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib
0x96f190ee __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib
0x9338504c _pthread_workq_return + 45
2 libsystem_c.dylib
0x93384e19 _pthread_wqthread + 448
3 libsystem_c.dylib
0x9336ccca start_wqthread + 30
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00148014 ebx: 0x00148014 ecx: 0x997ef5ce edx: 0x00000064
edi: 0x940ba5cd esi: 0x00148014 ebp: 0xbfffe9c8 esp: 0xbfffe9a8
ss: 0x00000023 efl: 0x00010206 eip: 0x95e01a87 cs: 0x0000001b
ds: 0x00000023 es: 0x00000023 fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x0000000f
cr2: 0x00000084
Logical CPU: 1
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USB Device: FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in), apple_vendor_id, 0x8509, 0x1a110000 / 3In AE, select the clip and control click and choose interpret footage. Choose the correct parameters and then output. Kind of a pain. You can also retime in compressor by setting the desired frame rate the the encoder panel: video and then in frame controls setting the appropriate timing.
Studio X is a wse man and he's probably right, but I also ran your crash log thru digital rebellions's crash analyzer and this it what it says
ProKit Framework
This crash seems to have been caused by the ProKit framework. A common cause for this crash is a mismatched framework version. Make sure you have the correct version of ProKit for your version of Cinema Tools.
If you upgraded your operating system, you may have still have older pro user interface elements installed instead of the ones compatible with your current OS. If this is the case, you will need to either update ProKit (if an update is available) or reinstall Final Cut Pro from scratch.
Suggested Actions
Update Final Cut Studio and ProKit.
Remove Final Cut Studio and reinstall.
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6 com.apple.prokit 0x003b2e79 _DoProSplashWithPath + 153
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i just install the cinema tools and it crashes right away it doesnt even starts
Cinema Tools 3.0.2 is the latest release... comes with FCP 5 or the new Studio...
Jerry -
Cinema Tools 4.0.1 Crashing in Lion 10.7.1
Hi all:
I'm not sure who else may be having problems, but I cannot get my Cinema Tools 4.0.1 to open in Lion 10.7.1. It continues to crash every time I click on the software program to open and launch. I understand there are some compatibility issues regarding Final Cut Studio 2 running in Lion 10.7, however I am able to open the rest of the FCS 2 suite without any problems (Final Cut Pro 6.0.6, Motion 3.0.2, Compressor 3.0.5, Color 1.0.4, DVD Studio Pro 4.2.1, LiveType 2.1.3, Soundtrack Pro 2.0.2). All these programs, except for Cinema Tools 4.0.1, work just fine so far in Lion 10.7.1.
Has anyone else had any problems trying to open and work Cinema Tools in Lion? I've seen a few threads in the internet already about users having similar problems, however I haven't seen any solutions. Perhaps somebody may have a solution or work-around to get the program functioning in Lion.
Thank youHere is my particular crash log:
Process: Cinema Tools [529]
Path: /Applications/Cinema Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Cinema Tools
Identifier: com.apple.CinemaTools
Version: 4.0.1 (4.0.1)
Build Info: CinemaToolsApp-710301148~9
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [126]
Date/Time: 2011-09-12 00:49:45.527 -0700
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.7.1 (11B26)
Report Version: 9
Interval Since Last Report: 406799 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 1
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 1
Anonymous UUID: BB45EB0C-3E9E-4032-B9B1-57CDCC6166F4
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000084
VM Regions Near 0x84:
--> __PAGEZERO 0000000000000000-0000000000001000 [ 4K] ---/--- SM=NUL /Applications/Cinema Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Cinema Tools
__TEXT 0000000000001000-0000000000148000 [ 1308K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Applications/Cinema Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Cinema Tools
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objc_msgSend() selector name: retain
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ProKit.framework/Versions/A/ProKit
objc[529]: garbage collection is OFF
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Logical CPU: 0 -
Cinema Tools is Crashing... Motion too
I can't open Cinema Tools any longer; Motion 4 is cratering as well. I'm assuming it's Lion.... uninstall and reinstall did nothing. Another user is also experiencing this at another forum.
Preference Manager has been updated for Lion and it supports Cinema Tools. It's free.
http://www.digitalrebellion.com/prefman
Also, the latest version of QT Edit has a conform function that was requested by users looking for a long-term solution now that Final Cut Studio is EOL. It's actually more flexible than the Cinema Tools version because you can enter any frame rate you like into the text box instead of selecting from a list of common ones.
http://www.digitalrebellion.com/promedia
(standard disclaimer: I may receive compensation, monetary or otherwise, from my recommendation) -
Reverse Telecine in Cinema Tools
My 24p fcp project is finished and I need to reverse telecine it to get rid of the ugly interlacing. How do I do this?
I've tried importing the movie into Cinema Tools and it keeps crashing. When I import the whole thing as a single clip (QT Movie), the Reverse Telecine button isn't available.
Also, why can't I import an mpeg-2 clip?
I'm using Cinema Tools 2.2, in case this has something to do with it.
Thanks in advance.Oh, and Mr. Gilman was saying that there will be interlacing no matter what if it's on DVD or Beta? Why is this?
It's what I was trying to tell you when I said If tape, you need the pulldown anyway. If DVD, the pulldown would be added by the player.
You have to understand where the interlacing is coming from. It is coming from the pulldown inserted to bring the fps from 24 to 30...
Google reveals these Pulldown explanation pages:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/#24pRecording
http://home.aol.com/ajaynejr/pulldown.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p
http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html
http://www.denecke.com/24pinfo.htm
here's a visual representation of 24P with pulldown added to be recorded on a 29.97 tape (this is how all feature films are broadcast on NTSC)
You can see from this image that two frames BC and CD are interlaced - that is, they are made up of two fields taken from different frames. When a DVD has 24fps material on it, the DVD player automatically inserts this pulldown to bring it up to 30 fps so it can be shown on a regular TV.
Now. I believe your problem may stem from an incorrect field order, but first I want to ask - When you created your export of your movie that you fed into DVDSP to make your DVD, did you try importing it into FCP and playing it back on your TV. Did it look okay then?
Patrick -
Film list in Cinema Tools from 25 telecine, edited in a DV PAL-24 sequence
Hello professionals out there in the binary world,
I am looking for 24/25/24 answer to my problem and going thru all the questions like mine with no answer is just depressing !!!
Here is the problem:
We are editing on Final Cut Pro 4 with Cinematools 2.1
16mm shot at 24 FPS with a TC at 25fps to edit at 24fps in FCP 4
Sound recorded at 24FPS (Cantar)imported thru sebskytools...
We edited in a sequence DV PAL-24
(24@25 not available on FCP4)
Sound SEEMS ok as I need everything at 24FPS (quicktime movie, omf and edl)
For the image, I need a cut list for the negative cutter, when I want to make it in FCP4, in the settings, it doesn't allow me to change the TC rate to 25, it's greyed out, I have no choice else than 24...EVEN if I logged the database saying it was a 25fps TC.
In the database it's ok but it's not available in the FCP film list settings.
First weird thing..WHY ???
When the list is done, it says at the beginning and for all the clips used in the edit: "warning, the clip x does not have a telecine speed of 24FPS".... But the keycodes seems ok (same as my timeline)
SECOND PROBLEM:
I also need to tape the movie on beta for that negative cutter and it should be at 25FPS, like the TC otherwise the time won't correspond...HOW ??? Is it possible ?
Thanks for any information you could give me to clear it up a little bet !
All that 24/25 is a little cloudy in my mind, I would be thrilled if someone could blow those clouds away !
Marie
Final Cut Pro 4 / Cinema Tools 2.1 Mac OS X (10.3.1)Hi Marie
Cloudy.....its a pea souper. Below is a cut and paste of some of the answers I have given in other threads. Also, I would get FCP5 studio as it is much better at all this.
Hi
This is the one area where avid beats FCP. 24fps Pal. I have now used FCP on a couple of PAL features and it is a bit of a pain. I also have the Apple pro support but most of this is all new to them.
Lets start with picture. As you know, you can either make tape/dvds that are the correct running length of the film and include a repeat frame or you can make them playing 4% fast with a pitch change but smooth pictures (1 frame film = 1 frame video). Most of the time, ie. when you are editing you will use the first method and live with the repeat frame. However, for VFX work and the NEG CUT or DI you will need to make 25 frame playouts.
The avid does this well but FCP is a pain.
One work around for the fast output is to export a QT of the cut and use cinema tools to conform it to 25fps. Some neg cutters or Digital labs will work to a QT, if they don't, then the 25fps QT can be imported into a new 25fps pal project so you can make a tape for the neg cutter which has the correct time code and you will have machine control. (Hint, I burn in 25fps TC when I make the QT). The edl will depend on your choice of film key number cut lists or a video edl. Key code lists work well but most neg cutters/labs dont like them. If you need an EDL then it should be made in the main 24@25 project but you need to set the edit code to 25fps before you make the edl. This is changed in the browser by going to TC RATE where it is set to 24@25 speed and right clicking. this gives you the option of changing the edit to 25 or 24 as well as 24@25. Most of the time while I cut, I have the edit set to 24fps not 24@25. Then I can see how long the show is running, how long a clip is etc.
Sound. Most people in the UK get rushes synched at the lab/tk house. They speed up the sound to match the speeded up picture. That blows the idea of an omf unless you are ok with the sound going through an analogue transfer which includes a speed change. If not, you will have to reconform from the original dats.
You must get flex files which will track the original location dat tapes and their time codes. These are used to in Cinema tools to make the batch capture list. When you want to make an edl at the end you will use EXPORT...CINEMA TOOLS AUDIO EDL.
Your audio post house may require a video tape with each reel having time code starting on the hour. That is very tricky and I tend to go back to my avid for that. You can do it by doing a crash record with the added frame and loading that back into a 25fps project. Then making tapes from there as you will now have machine control. Not pretty and quite time consuming. If they will work from QT files its easier.
I think you may have imported the audio which I haven't done in FCP yet. I will try BWAV import one day as they work well on the avid but have been told they don't work well on FCP. If they are working well for you then the omf route should be great. Let me know how you get on with audio.
I have managed to get through PAL features shot at 24 with FCP, but it sure is more work than on an avid, mostly for the assistant editors. However, I like cutting on FCP.
Best -
Tools crashes on Edit Workflow Process
Hi All,
Whenever i click 'Edit Workflow' in the Workflow Object Explorer, my Siebel Tools 8.1.1.10 crashes. This has been happening for a few months now. I had IE6, upgraded it to IE 8.
My Operating system is Windows XP.
Can anyone please help me out here as now I really need this working.
I can provide the crash file along with the fdr file and spool. Just dunno how to upload here.
Regards,
StephenIn AE, select the clip and control click and choose interpret footage. Choose the correct parameters and then output. Kind of a pain. You can also retime in compressor by setting the desired frame rate the the encoder panel: video and then in frame controls setting the appropriate timing.
Studio X is a wse man and he's probably right, but I also ran your crash log thru digital rebellions's crash analyzer and this it what it says
ProKit Framework
This crash seems to have been caused by the ProKit framework. A common cause for this crash is a mismatched framework version. Make sure you have the correct version of ProKit for your version of Cinema Tools.
If you upgraded your operating system, you may have still have older pro user interface elements installed instead of the ones compatible with your current OS. If this is the case, you will need to either update ProKit (if an update is available) or reinstall Final Cut Pro from scratch.
Suggested Actions
Update Final Cut Studio and ProKit.
Remove Final Cut Studio and reinstall.
Relevant Line
6 com.apple.prokit 0x003b2e79 _DoProSplashWithPath + 153
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Cinema Tools doesn't recognize pulldown cadence on 24p DVCPRO 50
Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone can give me a couple suggestions on this...
I've been capturing 24p material for a documentary from different sources and with different pulldown cadences: DV @ 24p and 24p Advanced, and DVCPRO 50 @ 24p.
The extra frames from the two DV types get removed properly, but not from the DVCPRO 50. I take a clip into Cinema Tools and hit 'Rev Telecine..' (Automated so no options to choose from) and it gives me a 23.98 clip with the what should be the C frame interlaced. (A B C/D D)
It looks like CT is removing 2:3:3:2 'advanced' pulldown and not the normal 2:3:2:3, like it's reading the metadata in the clip wrong. Does anyone know a way to manually set the type of pulldown--either in Cinema Tools or within the metadata of the clip itself?
Thanks in advance,
Will
Dual 2.7 GHz G5, 4.5 GB RAM Mac OS X (10.4.2) FCP 5.03, Cinema Tools 3.03I didn't know therre was an Automated way either until working on this project, and maybe it's a new setting in Cinema Tools 3. The manual says that CT will recognize the pulldown on the clip automatically when it was shot in a 24p video camera, that this information gets embedded in the clip. The dialog box it gives you for the automatic reverse telecine has no options at all, and all my clips started on an A frame for the possibility of doing all as a batch.
I may have found what happened, (although not how to fix it). My capture setting had Remove Advanced Pulldown checked, and the tapes were recorded with regular pulldown. In my experience with DV footage this has never mattered, it would remove it if it could and if not leave the clip alone.
It looks like there's a bug somewhere in the DVCPRO 50 capture process--that the clip is has the 24p Advanced markers embedded even though it is regular 24p, and so Cinema Tools treats it improperly and removes the wrong frames:
24p Advanced (2:3:3:2) A B B/C C D 29.97 Footage
24p (2:3:2:3) A B C/B C/D D
I I 0 I I (CT removing 2:3:3:2 Pulldown)
24p Advanced A B C D
24p *my result* A B C/D D 23.98 Footage
Has anyone else encountered this bug? Any work arounds known?
Thanks,
Will -
Problems with pulldown In Cinema Tools
I am attempting a pulldown on some footage shot at 24pA on the Sony V1U (which I was told on this forum was not real 24p and therefore did not require a pulldown but found out from Sony that it is) and captured at 29.97. Looking at the Quicktime file before the pulldown, every 3 frames are clear followed by 2 blurry ones (which I understand to be blurry due to being interlaced.) After the pulldown in Cinema Tools, 1 frame is clear and 3 are blurry. This gives the footage a "stuttered" or "jittery" look when viewed on an NTSC monitor. If I am editing this video with 29.97 video and my final export is NTSC, what is the best gameplan for dealing with the pulldown issue? To pulldown or not to pulldown? That is the question.
If you're not getting a clean pulldown removal, I wouldn't bother. The only reason to edit at 24 in standard def is if you're trying to author a 24fps DVD (which allows you to get better quality at a lower bitrate).
I don't have any experience with removing pulldown from material shot with this camera. I have removed pulldown from a film to tape transfer. I simply kept trying the different options available in cinema tools til I got a clean 24fps (actually 23.986) quicktime.
Message was edited by: Michael Grenadier -
Hello Final Cut Gurus!
Okay, so I am using Cinema Tools 3 to reverse telecine a bunch of clips. I am encountering a random error. "There is not enough memory to perform this operation." This error is coming up after the reverse has been running for awhile (say, once the progress bar reaches the middle point).
I have read several posts in regards to situations with file size, and Apple recommends files under 9GB. I only have one clip that is over 9GB, and I get a different error, "This is file is too large for reverse telecine." Okay, understandable. However, what is up with the other error? I can reverse a clip that is 4GB and then a second later I can't reverse 1GB clip because of a "memory" error.
I am doing this on the company's older, revamped G4; 1GHz Processor and 1.75GB RAM. Shouldn't this be enough memory? Would I be better off taking the footage home to my Dual 1GHz G4 with 512MB? Has anyone ever encountered this?
Thanks In Advance!
-The Boards Problem Child-
(AKA Athen)I'm running into the same problem... my clip is 3.6 GB, running Cinema Tools 3.0.3, on a 1.8 Ghz G5 with 2.5 GB of RAM. I don't even understand how there can be a "not enough memory" error - can't it just use virtual memory?
Has anybody come up with a solution for this?
-Gabriel -
Removing pulldown... cinema tools vs compressor vs ???
I have some footage shot at 24p on my canon hf 10. I need to remove pulldown. I saw this artice here
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2410?viewlocale=en_US):
now, which is a better method, to remove the pulldown, cinema tools or compressor, or even, another third party app does it better? Compressor and Cinema tools are 2 different programs, so they must have 2 different ways of doing things, and or results.
with compressor I have created a setting and a droplet on my desktop.
but I am interested in what the article says
*This method requires that you determine the cadence pattern for each clip.*
*In Final Cut Pro, choose the Easy Setup named "Apple Intermediate Codec, 29.97, HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60".*
*Capture your clips.*
*Open each clip in Cinema Tools and manually reverse telecine each clip.*
how do I determine the Candence for EACH CLIP? also, if I shoot at 30p, do I also need to remove pulldown, or is this just for 24p?piff aroni wrote:
I have some footage shot at 24p on my canon hf 10. I need to remove pulldown. I saw this artice here
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2410?viewlocale=en_US
Zak Ray wrote:
Not sure why the article is recommending using AIC-- as I see it, your options are 1) capture native HDV and transcode to ProRes + reverse telecine in Compressor, or 2) capture ProRes and reverse telecine in Cinema Tools.
The best way to figure it out is probably to just run a test.
Am in a very similar situation to Piff, and as Zak suggests am about to do some tests.
Meantime though, would be interested to hear from anyone with experience in this particular area, especially since the Knowledge Base article quoted above is a bit confusing on two fronts:
1) It refers to the Canon HV20, which shoots HDV, whereas the camera referenced by the original poster, the Canon HF10 -- assuming it's the same Canon HF10 I've been using -- shoots AVCHD files on SDHC cards (and/or its internal memory);
2) As Zak points out, it's surprising that there's no mention of ProRes, just AIC. The article says it was last modified July, 2008 -- was that pre-ProRes?
In any case, I'll try to post my results as soon as I can run my own Compressor vs. Cinema Tools tests -- but in the meantime would appreciate hearing any insights from those who've already been down that road, especially in regards to best practices for removing the pulldown added by the Canon HF10 when shooting "24p" (which as a colleague recently pointed out, should actually be called "24f", as in "24fake" -- since it's really just 29.97 interlaced in disguise).
Thanks,
John Bertram
Toronto -
Video Rate Changes from Cinema Tools to Final Cut
I have a problem that exists on serveral levels. Hopefully I can explain:
1. I directed a concert shoot with eight cameras. All cameras were Panasonic DVX100A configured for 24p Advanced except one, which was a Panasonic SDX900 configured for 24p (which I later discovered was laid down with a 3:2 pulldown instead of a 2:3:3:2 advanced pulldown like the DVX100A cameras).
2. It was planned from the beginning to use the multiclip feature in FCP to edit the footage.
3. The tapes from each camera were captured from beginning to end—about an hour each tape, four tapes per camera—at full resolution, the pulldown was removed, and the clips were then recompressed to Photo JPEG EXCEPT the tapes from the SDX900.
4. When I finally figured out that the footage from the SDX900 used a 3:2 pulldown, I opened the captured clips in Cinema Tools and attempted to remove the pulldown. The problem I ran into there was that CT can't handle files larger than 9 GB. Each captured clip (four of them—one for each tape) ranged between 10 and 13 GB.
5. My solution to this was to open each clip in QuickTime Pro and split the clip in half, open each half in CT and remove the pulldown on the smaller files, then open the smaller halves in QT again and join them back together into a single clip.
6. When I open the new master clips in Cinema Tools and analyze them, the video/frame rate is 23.98 as expected. BUT, when I import the clips into Final Cut Pro, the video/frame rate is 29.97 and I can't understand why. If I try to do a pulldown removal (again) from FCP, it doesn't work—I get an error that it can't find a clip with a pulldown to remove (duh!).
Is this a bug, and is there any way to fix this and make it work? I need to make all of the assets available for my class at school.I have a problem that exists on serveral levels. Hopefully I can explain:
1. I directed a concert shoot with eight cameras. All cameras were Panasonic DVX100A configured for 24p Advanced except one, which was a Panasonic SDX900 configured for 24p (which I later discovered was laid down with a 3:2 pulldown instead of a 2:3:3:2 advanced pulldown like the DVX100A cameras).
2. It was planned from the beginning to use the multiclip feature in FCP to edit the footage.
3. The tapes from each camera were captured from beginning to end—about an hour each tape, four tapes per camera—at full resolution, the pulldown was removed, and the clips were then recompressed to Photo JPEG EXCEPT the tapes from the SDX900.
4. When I finally figured out that the footage from the SDX900 used a 3:2 pulldown, I opened the captured clips in Cinema Tools and attempted to remove the pulldown. The problem I ran into there was that CT can't handle files larger than 9 GB. Each captured clip (four of them—one for each tape) ranged between 10 and 13 GB.
5. My solution to this was to open each clip in QuickTime Pro and split the clip in half, open each half in CT and remove the pulldown on the smaller files, then open the smaller halves in QT again and join them back together into a single clip.
6. When I open the new master clips in Cinema Tools and analyze them, the video/frame rate is 23.98 as expected. BUT, when I import the clips into Final Cut Pro, the video/frame rate is 29.97 and I can't understand why. If I try to do a pulldown removal (again) from FCP, it doesn't work—I get an error that it can't find a clip with a pulldown to remove (duh!).
Is this a bug, and is there any way to fix this and make it work? I need to make all of the assets available for my class at school. -
Get message "Choose Cinema Tools application"
I tried for the first time to use cinema tools in my Final Cut Pro 7.0.3, but i dident find the application. My application folder in finder its totaly empty. I see some cinematools.fcpres files with NTSC and PAL in the Final Cut folder but its not some install files. Can i in somehow download just cinemma tools and get it in to my Final Cut program or how should il do? I have a work in progress and i need this application to get it done. So when i mark an clip an choose open in cinema tools i get the message "Choose cinema tools application".
Please help me!
Thanks / GabrielBut i havent the dvd, my question is if i can download Cinema Tools from apples homesite and put it in the folder application? Or if i download cinema tools where should i put it?
I dont knnow why it dident start when i installed it from the begning -
i have recently downloaded final cut pro and i'm unable to access cinema tools. I understood this would be a free addition when purchasing FCPX?
Thanks for responding Tom. Yes I was trying to conform frame rates, I found a few threads/youtube tutorials that all used cinema tools. Now I've spent some time in FCPX I can see where you can conform.
Appreciate your help.
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