Cisco 7821 IP Phone not registered in CUCM 9.1.2
Dear all,
We have CUCM 9.1.2.11900-12 and we have uploaded this device package: cmterm-devicepack9.1.2.12028-1.cop.sgn and reboot cluster
But the Cisco 7821 IP phone not registered in CUCM
can some one advise me?
Thanks and best regards,
Tan
Hi
Can you please share the output for show version active from CUCM.
Please check the following thread as well:
https://supportforums.cisco.com/discussion/12030206/adding-7800-phones-cucm-8691
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max-pool 42
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label Phone10
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codec g711ulaw
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enrollment selfsigned
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tftp-server flash:term62.default.loads
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tftp-server flash:cnu45.9-3-1ES19.sbn
tftp-server flash:cvm45sccp.9-3-1ES19.sbn
tftp-server flash:dsp45.9-3-1ES19.sbn
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C2811#VPN is not Configured prints on all phones now with the built-in VPN client if VPN isn't configured. That's normal and is just cosmetic. That should not be causing your registration issues.
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We have two CUCM 9.1 clusters
Our production-cluster: Publisher, 3 Subscribers, dedicated TFTP, Unity Connection, CUPS
and our Lab environmant: Publisher, 1 Subscriber, TFTP on Publisher, Unity Connection, CUPS
In our production environment, 9971 phones work fine
In our lab environment, 9971 also work fine at first, but after some hours, sometimes days, or after a phone is resettet manually via CUCM administration the phone won't register anymore. After the phone is rebooted, the display briefly shows the correct directory number and line but they disappear immediatley and the phone is stuck with "Phone not registered" after that. The only way I can get the phone to register again after that is to completely reset all settings on the phone.
Both clusters are located within the same subnet, as well as the phones use the same voice vlan (manual tftp setting in both cases). It doesn't seem to be a network-related issue.
I have tested the same devices with both clusters, so the devices themselves seem to work properly too.
Has anyone experienced this sort of problem before? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
MatthiasHi Mark,
best I can provide you with at the moment is this:
Status Messages on the phone:
Updating Trust List
Trust List Updated
SEPE840....cnf.xml.sgn (http)
VPN Error: VPN is not Configured
Also, I have captured some Wireshark Traces. I took one phone that was registered and sent a reset request from the CUCM Web-Interface. The phone then rebooted and got stuck with "Phone not registered" as I described in my first post.
I unplugged the LAN cable, put it back in and captured what happened while the phone tried to register using a Span port at my access switch. You can find the pcap file attached to the first post.
Thanks
Matthias -
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Hey all,
We just deployed over 300 Cisco 7821 IP Phones in our cluster over the weekend. Most (not all) of our users are reporting that the softkeys are missing and that looks to be the case. I have reset the phone, manually set the Softkey template to Standard User. Not sure what else to try. Any ideas?
Firmware version: sip78xx.10-1-1SR1-4
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JohnFigured it out. It turns out that if the "Disable Speakerphone" checkbox is checked in the Phone Configuration page, this will remove the Softkey options on the display.
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