Classic chimes

My classic phone chimes 3 times at 09.00 and 12 noon. I have not set this and cannot see how to alter the times it chimes. It is not connected to the clock alarm. Any ideas please

Thanks niteshooter (and adsfushi)
You've been busy thinking and I'd been busy doing - you got published first.
I opened the computer and replaced the PRAM battery, the hard drive with one with an Apple logo (but I am not totally sure of it) and the floppy drive just for good measure.
For one brief and shining moment (actually about an hour) there was JOY. The computer started up from the floppy drive with no keyboard help but produced no HD icon. A cold restart from the floppy worked again and the HD icon appeared. I installed System 6.0.8 onto the HD and rechecked the install to find it was not complete.
In spite of the poor install I designated the HD as the startup drive and tried it out. (NOTE TO SELF - THAT WASN'T TOO SMART) At about this time 'most everything reverted to where it was before; no HD icon, the "four finger keyboard salute" to get the floppy drive startup. I can no longer hear the HD spin up. The ROM boot (Apple-Option-X-O), however DOES work and loads System 6.0.3 immediately - probably the new PRAM battery.
After a bit of time with no change to the situation I retired to a cold adult beverage and to contemplate the second most important compound question in the universe - What does this all mean; what to do from here?
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Security Update 2009-006 crashed my Macbook 13" (Intel Core Duo)

Hi all,
After accepted the automatic updates proposed by the OS, I was soon invited to restart the machine.
No files were downloaded (Security Update 2009-006, Itunes and Safari updates as well)
After rebooting the macbook, a grey screen with the apple logo and the turning wheel is showing for 1 to 2 minutes..... and this is repeated forever between the classic chime start up.
I repaired permissions from my DVD OS X Leopard and nothing happens.
Could you pls help to solve this problem ?
Regards to all there,
Daniel - Patagonia Argentina

HI Daniel,
*"I repaired permissions from my DVD OS X Leopard and nothing happens."*
Not the same as making sure the startup disk is ok.
Boot from your install disk and check the startup disk for errors.
Insert Installer disk and Restart, holding down the "C" key until grey Apple appears.
Go to Installer menu and launch Disk Utility.
Select your HDD (manufacturer ID) in the left panel.
Select First Aid in the Main panel.
*(Check S.M.A.R.T Status of HDD at the bottom of right panel. It should say: Verified)*
Click Repair Disk on the bottom right.
If DU reports disk does not need repairs quit DU and restart.
If DU reports errors Repair again and again until DU reports disk is repaired.
When you are finished with DU, from the Menu Bar, select Utilities/Startup Manager.
Select your start up disk and click Restart
While you have the Disk Utility window open, look at the bottom of the window. Where you see Capacity and Available. *Make sure there is always 10% to 15% free disk space*
If you cannot boot from your install disk, try booting in Safe Mode
What is Safe Mode
Update your system software to 10.5.8 using the Combo update available here.
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/macosx1058comboupdate .html
After updating to 10.5.8, run Sofware Update.
As with any software update(s), repair disk permissions.
Quit any open applications/programs. Launch Disk Utility. (Applications/Utilities) Select MacintoshHD in the panel on the left, select the FirstAid tab. Click: Repair Disk Permissions. When it's finished from the Menu Bar, Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac. If you see a long list of "messages" in the permissions window, it's ok. That can be ignored. As long as you see, "Permissions Repair Complete" when it's finished... you're done. Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac.
Carolyn

End of the road for my Color Classic???

Greetings. Lifelong Mac user here who, in the wake of Jobs’ passing, retrieved my Color Classic from the attic, thinking it would surely boot right up. It worked as recently as maybe 4-5 years ago, but all attempts over the past month to successfully boot it up have been in vain. After one purchase from Radio Shack and three from eBay, I’m 99 percent done throwing any more money at it. But I’d like to see if any of you could maybe help me out before I give up the ghost. I don’t have long, since I’ll need to return the internal HD I just bought off eBay soon if I want a refund. Here’s the rundown:
** Initially, it would boot up without the startup chime, show a grey screen for a minute or two (no icons at all), then give the eight-tone chimes of death.
** Buying a new PRAM battery led to it giving the startup chime and showing the smiling Mac, but that would give way to the flashing question mark over the floppy icon. I tried resetting PRAM, which did lead to the three successive startup chimes, but still got the question mark afterward.
** Next thing I did was buy a complete set of 7.1 discs off eBay. Using either the Disk Tools disc or the Install Me First disc, I would get the startup chime and smiling Mac, but then I couldn’t get past this message: “This startup disk will not work with this Macintosh. Use the latest installer to update this disk for this model.” For some reason, the mouse wouldn’t work when doing this, so I’d have to power off with the main switch and then eject the floppy with a paper clip. I would later learn that these discs apparently wouldn’t work on the CC because of a missing System Enabler.
** Next step: buying 7.6 Disk Tools discs off eBay. This time, the startup chime and happy Mac gave way to a sad Mac icon, a "0000000F / 00000066" error message and four-tone chimes of death. That led me to believe my factory HD was bad, sooooo …
** I bought an internal HD off eBay with 7.5 already installed on it. I had high hopes that this would finally do the trick. The heavens would open up and I would see the desktop. But ... after the swap, I was greeted once again with the flashing question mark. I disconnected and reattached the data and power cables to the HD three times, but to no avail. I tried booting off the 7.6 Disk Tools with this new HD, but got the sad Mac / "0000000F / 00000066" sequence once more. I tried booting off the 7.6 Disk Tools with no HD attached and got the same thing. This was the most depressing night of all.
** Today, with the new HD installed, I tried booting off of old 7.0.1 and 7.1 startup floppies my dad made back in the day -- and one or both of them actually progresses past the smiling Mac to the "Welcome to Macintosh" screen. But then, the "use the latest installer" screen takes over.
So this is where things stand. I'm holding out hope that I can having a working CC without spending any more money, but I'm not optimistic. Tonight I might trying washing the logic board in the dishwasher, as well as booting with the logic board disconnected and then pushing it in shortly after the startup chime (which I had tried with the factory HD without success).
Any thoughts? Ideas? Or should I call it a day, put it back on the side mantle in my living room, and go the Macquarium (or MacAntFarm) route down the road? Thanks in advance for your help!

The Color Classic is pretty straight forward to work on because the motherboard is just a matter of pulling it out.
But I don't think it's a bad motherboard so that is the good news. Sounds like the original hard drive died but before you toss it try seeing if it is just a matter of the heads being stuck. Take it in hand and gently swish it back and forth a few times to see if it that will unstick the heads. If you had a clean room I would say open the drive and gently turn the platters than zip it back up and see if it will work.
The "new' hard drive you bought sounds like it is pooched as those clicking sounds are usually an indication of a bad drive so return it ASAP for a working one or a refund. But just in case if you look at your old hard drive does it have terminators on it, they will look like two long black strips with multiple prongs attaching them to the motherboard of the hard drive. Now look at the new one, does it have any or a place for them? Though my memory is foggy on SCSI drives but that 700 might have a jumper instead but that could be wrong.
In terms of the OS, you can run System 8 on it. But you must buy the Apple release version for all Macs which comes with a floppy disk to boot your CC as well as a CD with the system SW on it. The CD is white but you will need a SCSI CD drive to install the sw. The error messages tell me that those disks are the wrong ones and not something wrong with your CC.
Now if you were into experimenting..... the following motherboards from other compact Macs will work in your CC.
The motherboard from the LC 525 is a straight swap in and even the ports on the board mate up with the holes on the rear cover. The LC 550 as well, which was actually the motherboard that the CC II used.
The motherboard from the LC 575 will also work and that adds a 68040 cpu into the mix plus the upgrade to 72 pin simms which allows you to add up to 128mb of ram with a modification to the case of the CC. The two other boards I mentioned also take 72 pin simms so you can bump up your CC from 10mb to 32mb.
I wrote a short page on my experiments here, http://www.kevinomura.com/macs/colorclassic/index.html .
In any event I think it's just your hard drive that is the problem since your video sounds good, don't toss that CC as there are still collectors out there looking for them.
On other thought, since the hard drive is on a caddy with a zif socket it's possible that some of the pins have a bit of corrosion on them. Check the one's on the hard drive side and see if they look clean, if not clean them. on the computer side that will be tougher since it's deep in the case but a few insertions of the drive might be enough to knock some of the corrosion off and make a better contact.

Issues after installing Classic on OS 10.4

Background and System
I have a Power Mac G3 350Mhz Rev 2 Blue and White, 512MB, 40GB, DVD ROM
running 10.4.9 installed from Retail DVD. Firmware up to date. 2x 20 GB partitions formatted as Extended
Prior to this issue OS X has been running well.
Issue:
After installing OS 9.2.1 to second partition OS X will now not boot up from DVD nor it's partition
Solutions tried:
I wanted to install a Classic environment so used a Retail OS 9.2.1 Bootable CD and did a full install to the second partition.
After the install finished and the system restarted, set on the OS X (Partition1) for start up the system hangs right after the Apple "Chime". with no signal to video card
Attempted to then boot from OS 10.4 DVD but this does not get detected when holding "c" down for boot up from CD option. This worked perfectly before.
Have run OS 9.2.1 Disk Aid Verify and both partitions are ok. The system will boot from the 9.2.1 CD and partition but anything to do OS X now will not work. I also tried an Ubuntu 6.06 Live CD but this will not now boot either.
Checked firmware and tried to re run firmware update and this advised my firmware was up to date.
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

The only thing I can think of is that when you installed the 10.4.9 OS you didn't option to install OS 9 drivers.

Black Screen at Classic Startup?

Hello,
I have an OS9 drive and a OSX/Tiger drive. When I use the 'Startup Disk' Control Panel on my 9.2.2 drive, I hear the chime, but the screen remains totally black. Restarting a few times gets things going, but I would like to fix this issue.
Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks!
J.C. Westin

Now that I've looked around a bit, and also read another reply to my question by 'K Shaffer,' I think the root issue is some kind of incompatibility between the upgrades, OSX, and OS9.
It's strange - and I've never seen anyone address this - but even though I'm running OS9 and OSX on separate drives, OSX has placed a large number of invisible files on the '9 drive,' and has Spotlight-indexed it, as well. I could see this happening if the G4 was running in 'Classic' - which it's not - or maybe even if OS9 was running on it's own partition on the SAME drive as OSX........but OSX's heavy-handed control over ANOTHER drive is unexpected.
The first time you run Classic (from OSX) it makes some changes to the OS 9 system to make it more compatible with OSX. These changes do not interfere with OS 9 when it is booted diectly. Unless told not to, Spotlight will index the OS 9 disk, The index will be ignored when booted into OS 9.
Having two separate drives, with two different - I could say competing operating systems - all coupled with a third-party processor upgrade, is probably not something Apple considered worth designing for.
Some processor upgrades need different firmware installed for OS 9 and OSX. Do you have the installation instructions for the upgrade?

Why don't I have Classic in 10.2?

I have just installed OS X 10.2 (up from 9.2) and have then installed my Word 2001 (which I was told would run on Classic) but my computer tells me "there is no volume to support Classic, please install OS X10.1 or later" - but I already have! Help - Please! (I need to type my letters)

Hello and welcome to Apple Discussions.
As a temporary fix you could also boot in to OS 9 again to use Word 2001. Hold down <alt/option> key immediately after the start-up chime, or if you're already booted in to OS X up go to Apple Menu > System Preferences > click on the Startup Disk pane and choose the OS 9.2 icon then click 'Restart'.
This should get you by in the mean time whilst you learn about the occasional difficulties of using Classic.
To get back in to OS X go to Apple Menu > Control Panel > Startup Disk > then select the 10.2 icon and click 'Restart'.
mrtotes

Classic-160 Continues To Crash

My iPod Classic-160 is the third one in my possession; the other two have been brought back to Apple and replaced-cheerfully. All have misbehaved in the same, exact way; they crash when a command is implemented in conjunction with a large playlist (in the 20,000 to 33,000 song range).
In some instances the iPod will crash (or freeze) immediately when selecting the first (or any) song to play in a large list. Many times the iPod will play the music yet if I push the menu button, it crashes.
The following are the troubleshooting steps I have taken:
1: Restore-many times. 2: Resets-countless times. 3: Firmware update (somewhat improved the performance; prior to the update the iPod would crash if I even looked at it! 4:Trashed-iTunes then downloaded and installed fresh copy. 5: Trashed iTunes library files (Data and .xml) and started over with a fresh App & library. 6: Ran every media file through the Tech Tool Pro gauntlet and it found nothing corrupted. 7: Resynced my old 5G iPod Video, filling it up with 70 GBs of assorted media files. It plays as flawlessly as ever.
Please chime in if you know any trouble-shooting steps that I may have missed and that could help.

Identical symptoms, no solution to offer though! Surely this is the sort of thing that constitutes a stress-test, without which the "160Gb iPod" isn't signed-off and is therefore a misnomer.
Thanks for telling me the restore didn't work though- after having many problems syncing, I've found I have to do it piecemeal over three days, and if it's not going to solve the problem, I'll not waste my time (everything else works).... I'll just wait for the software to get up to speed with the unit!

Used to startup Classic while in OSX but now I can't. +

Hi,
I have three questions in this post. Thanks for helping me with any of them!
I am unable to start up Classic while I am on 10.4.1. I can go into the Start Up disk and select the folder OS.9.1 and restart my computer and I will be in OS.9.1, but when I go to the Startup disk while on OS 9.1 to switch to 10.4.1, there isn't any window to do it from. I had to reinstall 10.4.1 to get back to it. I used to be
able to switch back and forth, but when I upgraded to Tiger I lost the capability.
Most of my apps are on Classic too, Dreamweaver 4, Illustrator 8, Flash 5, Photoshop 6, and I can't get to them either?
Are there any good and reliable cleanup packages to get the garbage out and order your hardrive? Or should I take it to a computer professional? Any recommendations there (NYC)?
Any suggestions?
(P.S. Thanks Tom)

Hi, painterly -
...but when I go to the Startup disk while on OS 9.1 to switch to 10.4.1, there isn't any window to do it from.
By default, OS 9's Startup Disk control panel will show only the one OS (OS 9) in its window. Just to the left of the hard drive's name in the list in Startup Disk is a small bluish reveal triangle - click it, and all valid OS's on the hard drive will be shown. You should then be able to select OSX as the boot OS for the next startup.
You can also hold down the X key while booting in order to force a boot to OSX - press it as soon as the startup chimes sound, keep it held down until you are sure it is booting to OSX. This is a one-off instruction - it will not change the startup setting in PRAM, which will remain OS 9 until it has been reset in Startup Disk.
Note - the Startup Disk control panel that comes with a "virgin" OS 9.1 install can not recognize OSX as a viable boot OS. The solutions for this are ro -
• upgrade just the Startup Disk control panel in OS 9.1. You can download that from here -
Startup Disk 9.2.1 Document and Software
• upgrade the OS 9.1 to OS 9.2.1 or later (9.2.2). You can download those updaters from these pages -
Article #120030 - Mac OS 9.2.1 - Download and Info
Article #75186 - Mac OS 9.2.2 - Download and Info
• use the X key at startup to get back into OSX from OS 9.1.
• boot to an OSX install disk and use its Startup Disk in System Preferences to select OSX on the hard drive as the boot OS.
Holding down the Option key at startup will bring up Startup Manager. This can be used to select the OS you wish to use as the boot OS on that startup, provided that the different OS's are on separate volumes (volume = an unpartitioned drive, or a partition of a partitioned drive). If they are on the same volume, Startup Manager will show but one OS, the one last used on that volume.
Article #106178 - Startup Manager: How to Select a Startup Volume
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I am unable to start up Classic while I am on 10.4.1.
You may need to update the OS 9.1 to OS 9.2.x (9.2.1 or 9.2.2) in order to get OSX 10.4.x to recognize it as Classic. OS 9.2.x provides better compatibility in the Classic mode.
Most of my apps are on Classic too, Dreamweaver 4, Illustrator 8, Flash 5, Photoshop 6, and I can't get to them either?
Until you can get OSX to recognize and use your OS 9 install as Classic, the Classic-version apps will not be able to be run while the machine is booted to OSX.
The solutions for that are to get OSX to recognize OS 9 as Classic; boot into OS 9 whenever you need to use those apps; or get OSX-versions or replacements for those apps.
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Are there any good and reliable cleanup packages to get the garbage out and order your hardrive?
Not really - at least, none that I would trust. Programs such as those behave according to the logic of the folk that wrote the program, and that logic probably does not apply to your collection of files (programs and documents).
Rebuilding the desktop file can help OS 9 run better.
Article #10182 - Rebuilding Desktop File and Icon Recovery
Beyond that, manually cleaning out the garbage (orphaned support files left behind after a program has been deleted, old documents, etc.) is the only safe way to get rid of unneeded things. Even then, be cautious - it's not difficult to accidentally throw away a needed file.
Provided you have at least 15% of the hard drive (ideally at least 5GB) left unused, fragmenting of files should not be an issue. OSX in particular defrags files on the fly as part of its normal operation.

Mac Classic Freeze after boot

Hi everyone
I got a free Macintosh Classic recently. It comes with System 7.5.3 in a Color Classic HD (Should be from CC). I booted the Mac and it played the Boot Chime. But right before the Boot Chime, it has some noise and also during it boot, a bit like the sound that we trash a file in Mac OS X. When it finish booting, it halt in a few second or minute. Then I power off the Mac by switching the power button at the back of the machine and restart it. This time it showed a Chess board screen and halted. This repeated for two or three times and I have to idle the Mac for a couple of minutes before restarting it.
I tried to boot without extension or boot with ROM by holding Command-Option-X-O and it still halt after a few minute or second.
Sometimes it wasn't crashed and I can use my mouse again after I re-plug the keyboard and mouse. What should I do to rescue this little Mac?
Thanks Everyone
iMac G4/700, iMac DV/400, iBook SE/366, PB 100*2, PB 520, PM6100/60AV, Mac OS X (10.4.7) iPod 2G(20GB), Newton MessagePad 110(1.2), Classic

Interrupt button/Error Codes
http://www.stjohns.k12.fl.us/depts/itd/happyerror.html
Quoted from there:
"Sad Mac Error Codes Description
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When the interrupt button is pressed on the side of your Macintosh when starting up, you should
get a sad Mac icon with '0F000D' and some bitscycling under the icon indicating it is performing a memory test"
StartupKeyCombinations
http://macfaq.org/software/startup.shtml
http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/suzanne/startup.ht
My PM7600 shows same sympton(mouse not usable for some time) while loading the full system and building up network connections. I have to wait until all is finished(no multitasking?).My XP-PC doesn't react on the mouse-clicking while loading system components from time to time.
Clock: My old Classic(and none of the old Macs) never had that Y2k bug.You can easily change the date to 2006.
IF date/time isn't correct after a short period of disconnecting the powercord the backup battery is gone-mine has still the first battery!
Can HD crash the whole machine? If the HD contains a faulty system this will lead to a crash(bomb appears,for instance). You often can repair the system using DiskToolsDisks or installing a complete new system.

Classical Orchestral Sound: Panning, EQ, and Convolution Filters

Hi,
I'm now studying the sections of the rather large, but quite informative
book, The Guide to MIDI Orchestration, 3rd Edition, by Paul Gilreath
to obtain details about how to use my non-ambient, dry samples of
the orchestra to create a true, classical orchestra sound (not a
hollywood sound), though my music is not 19th-century classical.
I'm also studying the Apple Logic Pro plug-in book concerning the
convolution filter, Space Designer.
Being a beginner, my learning curve is rather slow. But, I am feeling
more and more confident. And, this confidence is boosted by the
fact that I have a 3.0 gHz Mac Pro that can handle, most likely,
the processing required.
I post this thread to see if there are others who might have similar
goals and might have hints or ideas on this topic.
For instance, does anyone out there go through the details of
panning to place the instruments of the orchestra in their
correct locations?
Does anyone lower the EQ of the percussion section because they
are placed further back in the orchestra?
Does anyone deal with the details of singling out a particular section
of the orchestra and consider "delaying" the sound, such as the
percussion section, or perhaps the French Horns? If so, how do you
achieve this? Do you use a plug-in for each section, or single out
some sections for a plug-in, and plug every other section into another
plug-in?
So, if you all have any experience in these matters, or some "best settings"
for some of these panning, EQ, and convolution filters (or even simple
reverb plug-ins), I'd love to read about your experiences while I
continue to study my books.
Thanks,
Sys6
P.S.
My orchestra is almost all non-ambient samples. Garritan Orchestral
Strings. Westgate Studios Advanced Woodwind Collection. And,
a new dry, brass collection which has not yet been delivered. My
percussion is Apple Garage Band percussion (which I'm assuming is
relatively dry).

Hi,
Here are some details of my set-up. I continued to read the MIDI
Orchestration book, and the Logic Pro manuals where applicable.
I set everything up, and then I visited the above links to read them
in more detail, to see how they solved the problem. First, I don't pretend
to have "solved the problem", but this is my first start.
Following the MIDI orchestration book, I discovered that my Garritan
Orchestral Strings were in Stereo, so I used them in stereo, specifically
using the insert, Direction Mixer.
Violins I and II, Violas, have a Direction Mixer spread of 1.3. Following
the book, the Celli and Bassi were given a Direction Mixer spread that
was wider, and I chose 1.5.
I made all the brass monophonic, and used the pan pot on the bus.
My Westgate Studios Advanced Woodwind Collection is mono, so
again I used the pan pot on the bus.
The percussion samples (piano, harp, timpani, and everyone else)
are stereo, so I used dirmix also.
For the most part, each section of the orchestra, such as either
Violins I or oboes (and English Horn), each feed into their own
bus. So, every section can be panned using the pan pod if
they are mono, or using dirmix otherwise.
Every section of the strings feeds into another bus dedicated to strings.
Every brass section feeds into a similar bus dedicated to brass.
The same for woodwinds, but there are two buses: one for the
front woodwinds (flute family and oboe family) and one for the
woodwinds sitting behind them (clarinet family and bassoon family).
For some of the percussion: timpani and other miscellaneous
percussion, for now, these go to their own bus. Also, piano
and harp go to a pianoAndHarp bus. Tubular Bells,
Marimba, and Xylophone share a bus. All these sub buses use
dirmix for stereophonic spread and panning, all all these sub buses
feed into a master percussion bus.
Everyone audio instrument has its individual volume level set to
-15 db. I may go over every instrument again and make it even
lower, such as -20 db.
There are six master buses (nearly at the top of the food chain):
1. String Bus.
2. Woodwind Bus Front
3. Woodwind Bus Back
4. Piano Harp Bus
5. Brass Bus
6. Percussion Bus
Each of these higher-level buses received one insert: Space Designer
(a convolution reverb unit).
And, for each, Space Designer (at least at this time), is practically
identical: that is, I chose
33 Misc. Reverbs > Misc. Reverbs - Short Dark > 1.5s_Dark & Small
which I like (for now, for chords anyway; later I may need a smaller
room for music with notes moving at a faster clip and for music
that is more chromatic).
There is one parameter that differs for each of these six Space
Designer inserts:
1. String Bus: Pre-Delay 0 ms
2. Woodwind Bus Front: Pre-Delay 1 ms
3. Woodwind Bus Back: Pre-Delay 2 ms
4. Piano Harp Bus: Pre-Delay 3 ms
5. Brass Bus: Pre-Delay 4 ms
6. Percussion Bus: Pre-Delay 5 ms
Other parameters may differ over time. For instance, space designer
seems pretty clever, it can add a pre-delay, it looks like it can
act as a low pass filter, and so forth. So, maybe, over time, I might
use it as a low pass filter for the percussion section, not sure yet
(hard to tell, since my percussion section is not very good, it is
Apple Jam Pack Orchestra).
All these six busses feed into a final bus, which at this time
does nothing, but pass everything on to Output 1-2.
I focused my musical chords to be very soft or very loud in
the score editor.
That is, the goal is not to have the final mix exceed 0 db.
Unfortunately, I failed in this regard, for in a rather loud
section (at the end of the above sound file), the chimes played
loudly brought me over the 0 db level. So, for now, I turned
down the bus that these chimes feed into. There are other
more advanced solutions, but for now, I am focusing on
simple solutions (though I am always happy to hear about
advanced solutions which I may implement at a later date).
Over time, of course, I may adjust pannings, stereo pan width,
and the like. But, being a beginning "sound recording engineer,"
I am impressed with the results! Wow!
As an aside, each of my 3.0 gHz processors is being used;
two are used for effects processing (such as for the 6 Space
Designer plug-ins), and two are being used for audio processing.
No disk activity occurs (I use the latest Lacie external drive, the
biggest I could find, and perhaps it is buffering enough files
so that the drives are never accessed?).
Thanks again, if there are other details I have left out, I'll
update.
Sys6

Classic and OS 10.3.9

Hi I have a G4 with OS 10.3.9 installed but I have some old games that require Classic that my son is begging me to play.
Is there a way to "add" classic without erasing or installing over os 10.3.9? And if so, HOW DO YOU DO IT??
I finally have itunes and everything just how I want it, I'd hate to screw it all up for some old games.
I also have an old Powermac 8300 that I'm not using...
is there a way to piggy-back that, and install classic on it?
That's probably OVER MY HEAD, but I was just thinking...

Hi, acsc -
Machine Model: Power Mac G3 (PCI graphics)
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.6)
There's a bit of a conflict in the info given there - "G3" vs. "G4".
Your model may be a G4 (PCI Graphics) model, and Apple System Profiler is confused (it sometimes can be) - the G4 (PCI) models are not much more than a G3 B&W with a different processor and case color.
G4 (PCI) models originally came with OS 8.6; later models in that series may have come with OS 9.0.4 (probably a model-specific version). In either case it can certainly use a retail OS 9.1 Install CD or a retail OS 9.2.1 Install CD in order to install OS 9/Classic.
Since you want to be able to use the install as Classic, you would need to end up with OS 9.1 or later (OS 9.1 is the minimum version of OS 9 usable as Classic - OS 9.2.x provides better compatibility when used as Classic).You can use a retail OS 9.1 Install CD, and use download updaters as needed; but I would suggest getting a retail OS 9.2.1 Install CD since using that would eliminate one large download.
Boot to the retail OS 9 Install CD and run the installer. Select to do a Clean Install - doing so will not remove anything, but will avoid a problem where the installer can mistake an OSX folder as being an OS 9 system folder of unknown version.
Article #58176 - Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9: Performing a Clean Installation
Accept the normal (default) install - no need to do a custom install. Once the installation is complete, boot to it to verify it's okay. Use Startup Disk control panel to select that.
If it boots okay, then the next time you boot to OSX it can be designated as Classic. You do that via the Classic control panel in OSX's System Preferences - your version of OSX may need to update some files in the OS 9 System Folder; it will take care of that when you select that OS 9 System Folder as Classic.
Note (1) - Once OS 9 has been installed, it can be used as OS 9 (meaning as the OS the machine is booted to), or as Classic (meaning as a program while the machine is booted to OSX). You can switch back and forth by using Startup Disk control panel/pane to choose the OS you wish to use after the next restart.
The Startup Disk control panel that comes with OS 9.1 is not capable of 'seeing' OSX as a valid boot OS, and so can not be used to switch the machine's boot OS to OSX for the next boot. The solution for that is to update the OS 9.1 to OS 9.2.x; or, download and install an updated Startup Disk control panel -
Startup Disk 9.2.1 Document and Software
You can also use a keyboard command to direct the machine to boot to OSX at startup - as soon as the machine is booted or restarted, about the time the startup chime sounds press the X key and keep it held down until the machine has started to boot to OSX.
Note (2) - when you boot the machine to the OS 9 Install CD, it can happen that the hard drive is not visible on the desktop. If this occurs it indicates that the drive was last initialized and formatted using OSX's Disk Utility, and the option to install OS 9 drivers was not selected.
Article #106849 - Disk Is Available in Mac OS X But Not in Mac OS 9
That article mentions one possibility of recovering from that situation - using Drive Setup while booted to the OS 9 Install CD to Update Driver via that item in the Functions menu. Unfortunately that seldom works, and the only choice then would be to re-initialize the drive, being sure to select the option to install OS 9 drivers - this erases the drive, so be sure your data is backed up before proceeding to do it.

Pismo G4 550 - no startup chime after 10.4.6

Since installing 10.4.6 I've had trouble with my start-up chime not working. I have isolated the problem down to the IOAudioFamily.kext file. When I take it out of extension and boot into Classic then back into Tiger I get a chime and it stays on even if I reboot into tiger. If I replace IOAudioFamily.kext to the extensions folder I get a chime on the next boot but after that my reboots are silent. The audio function works well after the boot-up is complete only if I have IOAudioFamily.kext installed. So, I either have a start-up chime and no sound or I have no chime and normal sound. Also, when I run profiler either way I get "There was an error while gathering this information." under the Audio (built in) tab. I've tried taking the IOAudioFamily.kext off the TIger install dvd and using it instead but I get the same problem as before. There must be some sub-extension or something that was changed to cause this. Does anyone have any suggestions besides live with it?
I've tried the PRAM reset thing and its doesn't work.
Thanks

When
booted in 10.4.6, do you always get the startup chime
through a restart? If so, then the difference lies
with the cold start versus the restart and there are
a few differences.
I lose the chime whenever I boot into Tiger and let it run to the log-in page. When I safe boot the chime is preserved but the os doesn't recognize my built in speakers and the volume control disappears. If I boot into OS 9 the chime is still gone until I shut down and power up or reboot, then the chime is back. So, my thinking is that there is a kernel extension that enables Tiger to see my IO card (built in speakers and headphone jack) and it must turn off the speakers from the system somehow. The OS 9 startup must unhook the IO card from the driver and therefore allows it to chime when no driver is present.
A cold start runs the POST (power-on self-test); when
powered on, the Start Manager, contained in ROM,
makes sure that certain hardware components on the
computer's logic board are working, like the
microprocessor, ROM, drives, ports, expansion slots,
and RAM. When you hear the startup chime, the Start
Manager has successfully completed its test.
Open your System Profiler > Hardware > Diagnostics
and see what the last POST reports.
OK, this is weird. When I go to profiler and look up Diagnostics it says "No information found" but you say that post should give some sort of account.
On my iMac G5 it says:
"Power On Self-Test:
Last Run: 6/12/06 8:17 AM
Result: Passed"
I think that means the boot ROM on the pismo (boot rom version 4.1.8f5) isn't talking to the system profiler log.
Just another tidbit: Audio (built in) says "There was an error while gathering this information"
No error code.
This smacks of a firmware issue. Do you think there is a firmware update that would fix it?
I don't know what else you can do. If it is in fact
strictly a software problem (which I cannot explain
since software does not begin to load until after the
startup chime), I would not be concerned. The other
test you could perform is removing the added
RAM...maybe OSX has a small problem with the new
memory module.
iMac G5 17in 1.8ghz, Powerbook Pismo g4 550mhz, 40gb Mac OS X (10.4.6) My wife has an icebook

G4 733 Quicksilver shuts down in middle of startup chime

I've installed a new 80 gb harddrive (setup as master) installed latest drivers, installed a new pioneer DVD "superdrive".....for the purpose of upgrading my OS from 9.2 to 10.4.6 "tiger".....now machine shuts down almost immediately after the startup chime sounds....Do any of y'all have any ideas on this one.....any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated....many thanks......

Many thanks William...I had already tried that several times to no avail......But then I remembered something similar that I witnessed at a Mac store when one of the techs was "tearing his hair out" trying to figure out the solution to similar symptoms...He took the memory boards out (one at a time) and, sure enough one of them was causing the problem. I did zap the pram again after reading your comment, but it was still the same. This machine had two memory boards in it, a 128, and a 512..ALL of them must be functional, AND making a good, clean connection. Well, I took out the 128 first, cleaned it, put it back in tried startup....no change. Then I removed the 512, cleaned it, reinstalled it, and when I hit the startup button, it started so quickly, (and the superdrive disk drawer flew open) that it startled me...Problem Solved......What a Christmas present I just got. This machine had been doing really strange things for several years, but was fairly reliable on 9.2. I actually was so aggravated with the G4 that I had just bought another one like it that han a new 40 gb drive in it with OS 10.2.8 already installed along with classic. I put this 40gb HD in this computer, and the new 80 gb
in the new G4......they are both running on X now....I'm so excited, forgive me, but I feel like a kid in a candy store....Happy Holidays to all of you Yeah, MERRY CHRISTMAS and Happy NEW YEAR......thank you all

Classic AIO and Powering on w/ no logic board

What happens if I turn on any Classic AIO (Color Classic, LC 575, Power Mac 5200, etc) without a logic board?
I ask this because all above models have a rocker switch but yet it is software controlled (Power Key.)
Does it do anything or is on standby waiting for response from the logic board? Has anyone expiremented this?

This is what they wrote on my genius bar work authorization exactly:
Issue: Computer boots to the apple logo and spinning gear, but then freezes up completely and the fans blow continuously. Occasionally kernal panics. Steps to Reproduce: verified at bar. Attempted SMC and PRAM reset. Upon trying to run AHT, it would boot to open firmware and give an error for "Invalid Memory Address"
Proposed resolution: check in for ASD for $85. Ordering RAM
Cosmetic Conditon: normal wear
I paid for them to run disagnostics and they said they did but my apple store is pretty bad. They're always beyond busy and full 24/7 so there have no patience. When I call, there's at least 20 plus people ahead of me. Even with appt, wait was almost 2 hrs. They said 3-5 day turn around time. I called on day 5, nothing. Day 7, transfered to a genius who said "oh Randall took a look at it, did diagnostics and you need a new logic board. It's gonna be pricey though it's around $1100 and for $50 more you can get a new one." I said, "are you sure?!" He said, "Yeah, that's what Randall wrote." I should've asked more questions, I know, but I was in disbelief. Unfortuantely I had to pick it up with my boss who was in the biggest hurry of his life with every inch of the place so I had no opportunity to ask.
It does chime at boot up. I got a system failure message on the grey screen that said basically:
cpu=0
code=00009 (invalid pmap)
latest crash info for cpu 0: exception sate
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernal task
panic: we are hanging here
And then the fans run and it won't go any further. I've had the alert about the startup disk a couple times but I usually kept it with 15GB always free so I hadn't seen the alert in awhile.
Could not get a safe boot either. What do you think?

Option-Command-P-R, produces, only, dark, screen, and, repeating, chime. Would, anyone, be, familiar, with, this, happening.

Option-Command-P-R, produces, only, dark, screen, and, repeating, chime. Would, anyone, be, familiar, with, this, happening?

I would look in, Sys/Lib/Extentions, and, relate, the, specific files, that, I deleted, but I have, deleted, them all, on, all, my up and running, eMacs. Like, I said, they all work, fine, without, the ones, I, have deleted, and I would go so far, as to say the system is more responsive, on booting, and, "snappier" in every app that I use. (Me, Naval, trained, electrian) (first, part oif training, how to design, electronic, and, electric, circuitry) (and you must do this in a short time period, each module is timed, so I became good at it, top three in my class) So, I, see, in my, head, that, poor, HD, read, arm, sweeping, over, the disk, and, having, to, avoid, the Intel, stuff, that it, will, never read, and, it, annoys, me. Classically, to make A perfect install DVD would be quite, A, daunting, task, and most software companys, would like to keep their good program, writers, without, making them rich. There, is, A Leopard, Security, PDF, that, notes, the, uselessness of unused, software, on, A harddrive. Are you familiar, with it? if not I'll post it, or google Leopard Security to find it. It's on Apple's data base. I, would just like to get rid of the rest of the files not used, by the Power PC platform, while not causing A crash! Please let me know if you, come up with anything, thanks.

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