Classic mode and Tiger

I am running 10.4.2, and when i try to open Classic, i get the window, but the blue bar does not advance at all. I then went ahead and deleted classic (running from my firewire drive), and the classicstartup from CoreServices, and now i don't know how to re-install it. can anyone help me out?

ok so I got classic, but i deleted the Classic icon from the CoreServices folder. i copied it over from my school's computer, and now when i try to boot it up, i get this message:
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how can i fix this?

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What iMacs run System 9 software in Classic Mode and also iLife in Sys 10?

I understand that there were versions of System 10 that ran on iMac G3s that would run old System 9 software in Classic Mode, and also would run iLife (special interest in Garage Band and iMovie). What model of iMac would do this? What hardware requirements should I look for? What would be the optimal configuration to do what I'm trying to do?
Can I hook up an external floppy drive to an iMac? Are those drive still easily acquirable?
What versions of systems 10 ran in Classic mode? I've heard that System 10 with Classic mode can be buggy. How significant is this? When did System 10 stop running in Classic mode? Is it traditionsal to get System disks included when you buy an iMac off of eBay?
Thanx.

Ed,
The last version that would boot into classic is 10.4.X (.11 last version). That said I was never a fan of classic mode. It never seemed right to me that's why I set those few up as dual booters. They were used in a classroom with pre k thru middle school kids.
If you are using classic mode and it runs good for you than go for it.
My computer at school runs at 600 Mhz and has 256 Mb of memory. How much memory would you suggest.
Tiger will actually run at 256 but would be better at 512 or 768.
How would a machine like that do as part of a wireless network?
It should do fine. It will need a special adapter (which I can supply) and the original Airport Card.
Could it be connected to a network that's administered by a PC?
Should be no problem. Our's is set up that way and wireless Macs work fine. The problem I've seen w/ PC administered networks is the Administrator him/herself.
what is a G3 slot loader?
There were two types of G3 iMacs, the early tray loaders and the later slot loaders.
700 and 800 eMacs will also run OS 9.
So I just upgraded our music room at the school. It has iMac G3s 450 - 600s, eMac 1.25s, G4 Minis and Intel Minis. So we're running iLife 09 and 05.
Garage Band 09 will only run in 10.5.6 and that will only run on a G4 or better w/ a processor 867 MHz or faster. My son runs it on his eMac 1.25 GHz w/ 1.5 GB RAM.
Oh for your kid check out Kid's Pix 4 it runs in either OS. Our kids are also crazy about Zoombinis.
Richard
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Installing Classic Mode on Tiger, DVDs, emulators

I want to install classic mode on a Mac running OS 10.4 (Power PC processor). We have DVDs for three different kinds of Mac of the same generation, but none of them come with the extra tools CD/DVD that is mentioned in Apple's instructions and in other posts as containing OS 9. The install DVDs are the Swiss (German) version. Is the third DVD only in the US version?
We have 9.0 CDs for two Power Mac G4s, plus one G4 computer that's broken, and one that's alive and well, running 9.2. Is there a way I could lift the system folder from this computer, copy it onto the hard disk on the 10.4 computer, and "bless" it, or is more required than the system fold for classic mode to run under Tiger? I'm wondering whether it's possible to install an emulator like Sheepshaver, since I could start with 9.0 and upgrade that to 9.2, and then transfer the necessary files (system folder plus ...?) to use the built-in classic environment.
Any help would be much appreciated.

You don't say exactly what computers are involved which places us at a disadvantage in helping you.
If you have a copy of OS 9.1 or greater on a computer you can simply copy the whole System Folder to a PPC running Tiger and set it up to be Classic. Put it at the root level next to OSX's "System". If you actually want to boot to OS9, that's where knowing the details of the computers and operating systems involved is essential.
Technically, system installations can be machine specific, but I think for OS9, and especially when used as Classic, this isn't as much an issue. Classic isn't in charge of any hardware anyway. Some people may post saying, "Oh, it absolutely must be installed correctly," but frankly I have copied OS9.2.2 from computer to computer as I worked my way through models and had it work on any model that supports OS9, and that was for booting.
If all you have are installer versions of OS9 on optical that is where you may run into trouble and may ultimately end up needing copies of the original discs (which likely are no longer available). You will have to get the computer to boot to the installer disc in order to get it to actually put a usuable copy of OS9 on the computer. Again, this is where knowing the exact disc versions and exact computer specifications is important.
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I NEED CLASSIC MODE AND I CANT UPGRADE!! HELP!!

So i just bought a new mac mini about a week ago and I am very excited to start using my copy of adobe photoshop cs2 again, but i have a copy of adobe photoshop 6.0 and i use and upgrade to go to photoshop cs2. I just found out that i cant install photoshop 6 because mac no longer supports classic mode! so how do i get classic mode with out having to downgrade to mac OS 9? is there another way around this?? I don't want to have to buy a 600 dollar copy of photoshop just to use the copy's i already have!

jflanders128 wrote:
...I don't want to have to buy a 600 dollar copy of photoshop just to use the copy's i already have!
You may want to learn about upgrade pricing. It is unlikely that you paid $600 to upgrade Photoshop 6 to CS2.
Beware that CS2 was written for PPC processors. You have an Intel processor and Apple hints that a coming Lion may not support PPC apps. You might want to upgrade to CS5 while you have the opportunity before you fall out of the upgrade window (when CS6 arrives). CS5 is written for Intel.

Classic Environment and Tiger

Hello, all. I installed Tiger about a month ago. (I was previously on 10.2.8.) Ever since then, I can't open any OS 9 applications. When I try to open one, I get this message:
"Classic needs to update files in System Folder on Macintosh HD.
These files will not affect starting your computer from the System Folder."
My options are Update or Quit. If I Quit, then the Classic environment closes. If I Update, I get another message, which reads:
"There is a problem with updating the Classic-specific files. Classic was unable to update its files in the System Folder on Macintosh HD."
The only option there is Quit. If I Quit, then the Classic env. closes.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, all,
Kev
PowerMac G4 Mac OS X (10.4.2)

But if Mike can't install any software from the install disks then he can'at fix things he hasn't installed, either…
Mike, if the Apple repair folks returned the wrong install disk you first need to get the right one, either by pressuring the repair folks or by purchasing a new set, which may still be available through some combination of AppleStore/AppleCare depending on your location…
It is standard practice throughout the IT industry that when there is any problem at all in returning a machine with the same software/data set-up it had on arrival in the workshop, it will instead be returned in the theoretical factory state, which tends to mean with either the shipping software or the latest system updates.
It's also a standard assumption that first backing up any data and/or settings is entirely the User's responsibility and maddeningly, the third standard practice is to assume that all Users know this in advance and do not need warning.
No modern Mac ships with a System Folder for Classic installed, although if you did have the right original disk set all Macs capable of running X, up to and not including th enew Intel Macs, do include installers for pure or Classic 9 as appropriate… which takes us back to you first need to get the right one, either by pressuring the repair folks or by purchasing a new set, which may still be available through some combination of AppleStore/AppleCare depending on your location…
If a friend can ever find his, the installers from a different Mac may not work at all on yours and if they do, may not produce anything stable.
However, with 10.3's Disk Utility you should be able to mount and manually extract the System Folder from the coded image on a Restore - not an Install - disk from another Mac and use that for Classic, but not for pure bootable 9 on another Mac

IMac G5 PPC Using OS X 10.4.10 & OS X Classic Mode--Can They Work Together?

I do not have a system folder for OS 9 on my hard drive and an Apple technician said I cannot run OS 9 Classic mode on my computer. However, David Pogue's book "Mac OS X Tiger Edition, The Missing Manual" and many of these Apple discussion posts seem to indicate that running Mac OS 9 on my iMac G5 PPC with OS X 10.4.10 should be possible. Would someone be able to help me? Can I run the Classic mode and, if so, how would I get the necessary stuff into my computer? I still have my original Mac OS X Tiger (includes Xcode 2) Install DVD version 10.4. Thanks!

Hi, Mark. You may have misunderstood the Apple technician. I hope so, because if he said what you thought he said, he was dead wrong. You can indeed run old OS 9-based applications in Classic mode on your G5, if you use the Classic-support installer you'll find on one of the discs that came with the computer to install a suitable OS 9 System Folder on your hard drive. What you can't do on the G5 is run OS 9 *as an operating system*, without OS X running at all. Classic mode uses a slightly modified version of OS 9 as a sort of super-application or "shell" within which older, non-OSX-native applications can run under OS X.
Check the "Read before you install" file(s) on your original iMac OS Installer Disc 1 for instructions on installing Classic support from that disc or set of discs.

Why do some old Mac programs run slowly in Classic mode?

I successfully installed OS 9 Classic Mode on an eMac. At first, some of my old programs (Thinkin' Things, Millie's Math House, both edmark) ran fine, but as time went on they started jerking and freezing as they ran. I re-started and it continued to do the same thing. Any ideas on why these programs run slowly like this?

I gathered the info you suggested in previous message, but I was wondering if you could help me interpret it.
Here's what I got:
In Activity Monitor; System Memory; Page ins/outs = 12277/0.
Memory is listed as 1.024 MB, with 822.11 MB free.
I looked under CPU tab in Activity Monitor and did not exactly now what I was looking for. What should I do with the CPU #'s?
I opened Console in Utilities & there were any clues or repeating messages.
The 40 MB hard drive has 9 MB free.
I ran the 9.2 CD-based educ. software again. Some does not boot up. Some run fine. Others are choppy at times.
Anyway, does this info suggest anything to you. I wonder if it's a compatability issue between System 10.4.11, Classic Mode and the Power PC chip? Was this common with Classic Mode?
I thank you so much in adavance dor any suggestions on how to solve this problem.
Ed

Crop tool Classice Mode

I find the new crop tool too time consuming, and it is not very user friendly. I like that you can turn on the classice mode, but each time I select the crop tool the classic mode has been turned off. Would you please make it possible to turn on classic mode and leave it on.
In my opinion the crop tool worked great, just because you can change something does not always mean that it is an improvement. I perfer to move the crop tool around on the image, not the image behind the crop tool.
Thank you for giving us the classic mode, please never take that away.

I hear you. The setting should be sticking for you, so that's a problem - though it may be a problem on your own system. I see all the settings stay set. Try this:
With no document open, choose the Crop tool.
Click the gear and make the settings you want.
Choose Window - Workspace - New Workspace, and name it something you like (I call mine Noels).
Now Quit Photoshop
Do you see your settings stick now, next time you open Photoshop?
By the way, try the new Crop Tool (without Classic Mode) but with one setting change: Turn off the [ ] Auto Center Preview setting. The always present outer border takes a little getting used to, but the thing will operate in a very expected manner otherwise.
-Noel

OS 9 classic and Tiger

I really would like to upgrade to Tiger from OS 10.3.9. My problem is I've got some apps that still only run in Classic 9 and do not want to upgrade them for now. Can I run the classic environment along with Tiger? If I buy Tiger and upgrade will all the classic 9 I have currently stay intact?
Any info is appreciated!
iMac 17" Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Yes, you can upgrade to Tiger without affecting your OS 9 installation. Some things to do in advance:
1. Repair the hard drive and permissions.
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. Then select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now shutdown the computer for a couple of minutes and then restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.0 for Tiger) and/or TechTool Pro (4.5.2 for Tiger) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
2. Back up your current system by cloning it to an external Firewire drive.
How to Clone Using Restore Option of Disk Utility
1. Open Disk Utility from the Utilities folder.
2. Select the backup or destination volume from the left side list.
3. Click on the Erase tab in the DU main window. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (journaled, if available) and click on the Erase button. This step can be skipped if the destination has already been freshly erased.
4. Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.
5. Select the backup or destination volume from the left side list and drag it to the Destination entry field.
6. Select the startup or source volume from the left side list and drag it to the Source entry field.
7. Double-check you got it right, then click on the Restore button.
8. Select the destination drive on the Desktop and press COMMAND-I to open the Get Info window. At the bottom in the Ownership and Permissions section be sure the box labeled "Ignore Permissions on this Volume" is unchecked. Verify the settings for Ownership and Permissions as follows: Owner=system with read/write; Group=admin with read/write; Other with read-only. If they are not correct then reset them.
For added precaution you can boot into safe mode before doing the clone.
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Installing classic illustrator and photoshop to Mac os Tiger

How can I install classic illustrator and photoshop applications to Mac os Tiger
Mac OS X (10.4)

Illustrator 10 and Photoshop 7 were the first OSX version, the next version of each they called CS (for Creative Suite, they were really pushing buy the Suite of 4 or 5 Adobe programs which cost big bucks) and the latest versions are CS2. I've heard of many having problems with CS2 so I haven't upgraded. Both Illustrator CS and Photoshop CS work well in Tiger.
But!!... on an Intel Mac programs need to be Universal versions, specifically designed to run on Intel Macs, older version can run but will open in to an emulation mode, Rosetta, that runs much slower, you will be running at least 50% slower than on a G5. But it's not like Classic, you won't even know when Rosetta is running.
And, apparently there are problems converting Illustrator and Photoshop to Universal and it's going to take a while. The rumor is that CS2 will not be updated, you'll have to wait for CS3 and there is no planned release date for that yet.
On the other hand, I read a recent article that said if you install Windows XP on an Intel Mac (Apple has a free program called Boot Camp that will do this but you need to buy XP), then the XP version of Photoshop will run really fast, faster than most boxes running XP. Oooo, the irony!
Anyway, there is a program that allows you to run a Classic emulation on the Intel Macs but I can't find my bookmark on it so you'll have to do a web search (or someone can post it).
I'm assuming you already have the Classic versions. You'd probably be better off getting the Classic emulation and running those until Adobe upgrades to Universal software. Kind of a waste to spend the bucks on brand new versions of Illustrator and Photoshop now when the versions you need are probably a year away.

My iPod Classic is seen by Windows but not by iTunes. I have reset it, gone to disk mode and it won't show up in iTunes. There appears to be music on it in a file called MUSICSAVE. How can I get this to work with iTunes again?

My iPod Classic is seen by Windows but not by iTunes. I have reset it, gone to disk mode and it won't show up in iTunes. There appears to be music on it in a file called MUSICSAVE. How can I get this to work with iTunes again?

1. Update iTunes to the latest version. Plug in your iPod. If iTunes still can't recognize it, then in iTunes in the top left corner click help> run diagnostics. On the box that comes up, check the last two things. Click next and it should identify your iPod.
2. Click on your windows start menu. Type in "services". Click on it and when it pops up, on the bottom of it click on "standard". Now Scroll down to find "Apple Mobile Device" Right click it when you see it and click on "Start". When it has started, close iTunes and replug in your iPod and it should show up.
3. Check the USB cable
4 Verify that Apple Mobile Device Support is installed
5. Restart the Apple Mobile Device Service and verify that the Apple Mobile Device USB Driver is installed.
6. If you just want to add some photos, songs and movies from computer to your devices, you can use an iTunes alternative to do the job
7. Check for third-party software conflicts.
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My iPod Classic 160 is in disc mode and won't turn off, itunes doesn't recognize it - ¿how can I make it work again?

My iPod Classic 160 is in disc mode. I responds to nothing. iTunes doesn't recognize it. It doesn't sync. I've tried to restore and got error 1429. Now it just stays in disc mode and won't turn off. I'm keeping it connected to the charger so it doesn't go dead. Is there anything I can do to resurrect my pod?

To get out of disk mode do a iPod Hard Reset.
Toggle the Hold switch till you dont see the red mark.
Press Menu and Center buttons simultaneously for about 10 secs till the Apple logo comes ON then release the buttons
Select your preferred language.
See this Apple support Article on the 5Rs.
http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/five_rs/classic/
If you try to restore and get a1429 error message, read this Apple Support Article
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1372
Good Luck!

Need old version and does HiQ run in Classic mode on Mac OS

I'm hoping an NI rep responds to this: I'm a licensed user of HiQ 2.2 for Mac. I switched to Mac OS X, did not reinstall HiQ, and no longer have my original floppies. Is there any way I can get a replacement? Also, can anyone tell me if HiQ will run in Mac OS X's Classic mode?

Thank you, Chris. I just wanted to confirm. It's a shame that NI dropped HiQ. I'm having a heck of a time doing the simplest things with Mathematica ---steep learning curve--- and it can't do some of the things that HiQ could!

I disconnected my Ipod classic from a receiver in "user" mode and now I can't get the Ipod to work via USB in my car or receiver. HELP!!

I disconnected my Ipod classic from a receiver in "user" mode and now I can't get the Ipod to work via USB in my car or receiver. HELP!!

See the following for how much you will have to pay for the exchange.
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I just upgraded my older G5 from tiger to leopard and it is now at 10.5.8, I was unaware that the new system did not support the classic envoirnment and cannot access my 6.0 version of Photoshop, which I use often...how do I get P.S. going again?

I just upgraded my older G5 from tiger to leopard and it is now at 10.5.8, I was unaware that the new system did not support the classic envoirnment and cannot access my 6.0 version of Photoshop, which I use often...how do I get P.S. up and going again?

Niel...
I installed Leopard 10.5.6 and then it upgraded to 10.5.8, when I installed it I had the old info saved to a "previous systems" folder, where most of my artwork, etc. were saved, I have a one terabyte Lacie backup that unfortunately did not work as it was intended...it saved the new info and not the old. I did look into the system preferences folder and found the classic file, of course it wouldn't launch...but I have the old G 5 startup discs and will try to do it as you stated. I will try also to move it out of the previous folders file to my hard drive and see how that works.
thank you for your time and help,
Dennis

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